Congratulations, Min Min! ARMS character(s) for Smash discussion

[Guynamednelson]

Golden Sun game around the corner (which is very unlikely)

The Isaac thread loves to do research regarding Golden Sun's trademark and theorize about it being long enough for Camelot to show a new, non-sports game.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

The Isaac thread loves to do research regarding Golden Sun's trademark and theorize about it being long enough for Camelot to show a new, non-sports game.

I have great faith Nintendo is going to listen to the Golden Sun fans.

 

[zferolie]

What are you talking about? KoF games are on the eShop, alongside multiple NeoGeo games

I wasn't saying that, I was saying some haters were saying that

 

[GolisoPower]

So, cool idea for the ARMS character reveal to build up the hype:

When it was announced that an ARMS character is the next fighter, it showed all 15 fighters of that roster. So what if...over the course of the 2 weeks leading up to the eventual reveal and release of that character, they start removing ARMS characters from that selection in the Direct Mini? So on Day 1, they'll remove Byte and Barq, Day 2 they remove Misango, Day 3 Mechanica, etc, right?

 

[RetrogamerMax]

So, cool idea for the ARMS character reveal to build up the hype:

When it was announced that an ARMS character is the next fighter, it showed all 15 fighters of that roster. So what if...over the course of the 2 weeks leading up to the eventual reveal and release of that character, they start removing ARMS characters from that selection in the Direct Mini? So on Day 1, they'll remove Byte and Barq, Day 2 they remove Misango, Day 3 Mechanica, etc, right?

I would kind of find that to be more underwhelming and ruin the surprise factor if you know what I mean.

 

[fogbadge]

Well yes we do. When you think about it, everything that people use to hurt a characters chances is a rule and without those rules, everyone would just have a half and half shot and speculation would be doomed. Rules aren't really only limited to spirits or assists deconfirming but ones which are as odd as 'why would they choose this character '

people use their rules to restrict speculation as well in very much, rules do not make speculation open

The only other character that could get the assist trophy promotion this game I could see is Waluigi. Because A. Hes a Mario character and everyone knows him, B. Nintendo/Sakurai know about the massive twitter outcry and this was before either fighters pass was announced, C. Nintendo makes a new Mario spin-off every 24 minutes and Waluigi is in 95% of them, and finally D. Mario's 35th anniversary is this year I could see Waluigi being added to Smash because of that as well. Also this is coming from someone who could care less if Waluigi is added to the roster or not (Yes I do like Waluigi as a character).

so wouldnt it make more sense then to have someone who's been in 100% of those games and who debuted in the game who's 35th anniversary it is?

mario's 39 this year btw

 

[pupNapoleon]

So, cool idea for the ARMS character reveal to build up the hype:

When it was announced that an ARMS character is the next fighter, it showed all 15 fighters of that roster. So what if...over the course of the 2 weeks leading up to the eventual reveal and release of that character, they start removing ARMS characters from that selection in the Direct Mini? So on Day 1, they'll remove Byte and Barq, Day 2 they remove Misango, Day 3 Mechanica, etc, right?

This is a nice way to spotlight each character. ARMS is a game all about the characters (and some INSANE music), and I wouldn't be against this idea.

Except that I would not think they would remove them one by one- it almost makes them seem like a ranking of importance.

 

[GolisoPower]

This is a nice way to spotlight each character. ARMS is a game all about the characters (and some INSANE music), and I wouldn't be against this idea.

Except that I would not think they would remove them one by one- it almost makes them seem like a ranking of importance.

Okay, yeah, maybe not one by one.

 

[Ace C.R.O.S.S.]

I wasn't saying that, I was saying some haters were saying that

Oh ok, sorry for the misundertanding

 

[chocolatejr9]

Okay, yeah, maybe not one by one.

Once a week, they do a Thanos Snap on the image, removing half the candidates until the reveal.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Maybe if the game's twitter shows off the spirit battles one by one that might be a way to do it.

I wouldn't like that though, it would be too drawn out.

 

[Koopaul]

This "Assist Trophy floodgates" concern is ridiculous. There's only 5 fighters left after the ARMS character. What floodgates are they worried about? Do they mean fan demand? Upgrading Spring Man isn't going to change anything. People will still want who they want whether Spring Man is a fighter or not.

But protagonist/mascot/face first. That's how it always goes.

When have they went with important to lore/stories characters first above protagonist/mascot/face?

Well in cases like Pokemon they chose Lucario to represent Gen 4 and not a starter. With Fire Emblem, we got Robin before the protaginist Chrom. Everyone was expecting Chrom to represent Awakening but they didn't. (He got in eventually but I'm talking about Smash 4)

Regardless of who they pick, I think it will be someone that is important in some way. That's why I picked those 5. They are the most significant fighters in ARMS for one reason or another.

 

[Trevenant]

people use their rules to restrict speculation as well in very much, rules do not make speculation open



so wouldnt it make more sense then to have someone who's been in 100% of those games and who debuted in the game who's 35th anniversary it is?

mario's 39 this year btw

Smash speculation just works differently I guess. There are the people that speculate characters who would be cool and don't give af about likelihood and there are the ones that take it more seriously and try to look at what could make sense to try and narrow down who would be included.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Smash speculation just works differently I guess. There are the people that speculate characters who would be cool and don't give af about likelihood and there are the ones that take it more seriously and try to look at what could make sense to try and narrow down who would be included.

To some people, you can't openly talk about various possibilities, because we can never have nice things and expecting that is pointless, apparently. There's a reason why I barely even talked too much about the possibility of more DLC after FP1, before FP2 was announced. At some point, you just stop bothering with debates going nowhere, shrug, and leave the forums and do something else until the bloody news actually happen.

Smash speculation was freer in the ballot period, then most of the fanbase got PTSD after it for a long time.

Once a week, they do a Thanos Snap on the image, removing half the candidates until the reveal.

Maybe if the game's twitter shows off the spirit battles one by one that might be a way to do it.

I wouldn't like that though, it would be too drawn out.

Sak has never been one to intentionally drag things out, so I'm sure that we'd know who the ARMS fighter is in like a minute after the trailer starts, tops. Until then, we wouldn't hear a single thing. Just remember that working on the game remotely has a higher security risk, so they're being extra-careful not to leak any info out this time.

 

[supermario_all_moons]

Finally found the websitehttps://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/8wdje6/interesting_code_name_hints_for_the_games/

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Finally found the websitehttps://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/8wdje6/interesting_code_name_hints_for_the_games/

Oh yeah, that’s ancient and proven fake.

 

[supermario_all_moons]

Oh yeah, that’s ancient and proven fake.

oh... I sad now

 

[fogbadge]

Sak has never been one to intentionally drag things out

it felt like then when i was watching the terry trailer

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

it felt like then when i was watching the terry trailer

Hence "intentionally". If it drags, it was entirely unintentional.

Although you do still need some sort of suspense to make things all that more surprising.

 

[fogbadge]

Hence "intentionally". If it drags, it was entirely unintentional.

Although you do still need some sort of suspense to make things all that more surprising.

true, but everyone had guessed it was terry before hand so surprise can be lost easily

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

true, but everyone had guessed it was terry before hand so surprise can be lost easily

Well, a little less so if you got the benefit of the doubt. Case in point, were guessed ages ago, and some fans still weren't sure if they got in for real even when they got leaked, thanks to how easy it is for text-based information to be inaccurate or falsified.

It's one thing to already know who's coming, it's another to be assured that, yes, they're in, it's official, there's no need to wait anymore, and it's exciting for whoever supported the fighter in the first place. Especially if they come with something that wasn't expected.

 

[osby]

it felt like then when i was watching the terry trailer

Apples and oranges. A company playing a weeks-long "guess who" game isn't comparable with a slightly long trailer.

 

[fogbadge]

Well, a little less so if you got the benefit of the doubt. Case in point, were guessed ages ago, and some fans still weren't sure if they got in for real even when they got leaked, thanks to how easy it is for text-based information to be inaccurate or falsified.

It's one thing to already know who's coming, it's another to be assured that, yes, they're in, it's official, there's no need to wait anymore, and it's exciting for whoever supported the fighter in the first place. Especially if they come with something that wasn't expected.

thats true, you never can be sure until it comes from nintendo themselves

Apples and oranges. A company playing a weeks-long "guess who" game isn't comparable with a slightly long trailer.

at least the end result of this weeks long guess who will have a better result

 

[Guybrush20X6]

oh... I sad now

Don't feel bad, that's just how the speculation scene is. Fleeting hope and disappointment in a cycle, until you get to a rumor you DON'T want to happen and whadyaknow, it happens.

 

[fogbadge]

until you get to a rumor you DON'T want to happen and whadyaknow, it happens.

tell me about it

 

[zferolie]

papagenos made a new video, and talks about the ARMS character speculation.

He does mention Twintelle specifically ad a likely choice, but one of his reasons i didnt think of and makes a lot of sense from a developer side: she has normal arms, and thereform should be able to use normal items a lot easier. Sure, Min min and could use their extendo arms to hold say a super scope, but i could see that looking odd or maybe hard to make work right.

 

[Trevenant]

papagenos made a new video, and talks about the ARMS character speculation.

He does mention Twintelle specifically ad a likely choice, but one of his reasons i didnt think of and makes a lot of sense from a developer side: she has normal arms, and thereform should be able to use normal items a lot easier. Sure, Min min and could use their extendo arms to hold say a super scope, but i could see that looking odd or maybe hard to make work right.

Bases were always a stretch to me. Although a source can't be found which confirmed BK were based on Ridley it isn't much more likely that a save glitch which is interfered by using Duck Hunts Down B against one of Mii Swordfighters attacks which have no relation to the characters who were supposedly based on them would be more legit. Although bases exist, these characters specifically probably have no relation imo

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

papagenos made a new video, and talks about the ARMS character speculation.

He does mention Twintelle specifically ad a likely choice, but one of his reasons i didnt think of and makes a lot of sense from a developer side: she has normal arms, and thereform should be able to use normal items a lot easier. Sure, Min min and could use their extendo arms to hold say a super scope, but i could see that looking odd or maybe hard to make work right.

>Max Brass being his guess if Spirits still deconfirm

Glad to see the champ get recognized

 

[zferolie]

Bases were always a stretch to me. Although a source can't be found which confirmed BK were based on Ridley it isn't much more likely that a save glitch which is interfered by using Duck Hunts Down B against one of Mii Swordfighters attacks which have no relation to the characters who were supposedly based on them would be more legit. Although bases exist, these characters specifically probably have no relation imo

We have seen it happening though. With Hero have mii sword fighter or Link shield sound fx, the Simon glitch tieing to Byleth.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Bases were always a stretch to me. Although a source can't be found which confirmed BK were based on Ridley it isn't much more likely that a save glitch which is interfered by using Duck Hunts Down B against one of Mii Swordfighters attacks which have no relation to the characters who were supposedly based on them would be more legit. Although bases exist, these characters specifically probably have no relation imo

It's not like characters can be always made out of scratch every time if development has to be made less taxing, some characters share normal moves with other characters anyway. The staffers had to use bases sooner or later.

Don't feel bad, that's just how the speculation scene is. Fleeting hope and disappointment in a cycle, until you get to a rumor you DON'T want to happen and whadyaknow, it happens.

The only thing I'll say about this is be open to any possibility, even the unlikely ones. I completely stopped being disappointed after the Melee era (if I even remember that occurring in the first place).

 

[osby]

He does mention Twintelle specifically ad a likely choice, but one of his reasons i didnt think of and makes a lot of sense from a developer side: she has normal arms, and thereform should be able to use normal items a lot easier. Sure, Min min and could use their extendo arms to hold say a super scope, but i could see that looking odd or maybe hard to make work right.

Eh, I'm not sure if that's a big enough issue to affect their character choice when you have Ivysaur and R.O.B. using items like everyone else.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

It's not like characters can be always made out of scratch every time if development has to be made less taxing, some characters share normal moves with other characters anyway. The staffers had to use bases sooner or later.



The only thing I'll say about this is be open to any possibility, even the unlikely ones. I completely stopped being disappointed after the Melee era (if I even remember that occurring in the first place).

Latest unlikely possibility on the Table is a League of Legends character. While I have absolutely no interest in that series, I'll still be up for whatever comes, it'll be interesting to see how lanes work in Smash.

The more possibilities you accept, the less likely you are to be disappointed.

In the case of ARMS, we need to accept the posibilties of Assist Trophy Promotions, Spirit promotion of the previous two options being impossible, therefore making the ARMS rep a left field choice.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Latest unlikely possibility on the Table is a League of Legends character. While I have absolutely no interest in that series, I'll still be up for whatever comes, it'll be interesting to see how lanes work in Smash.

The more possibilities you accept, the less likely you are to be disappointed.

In the case of ARMS, we need to accept the posibilties of Assist Trophy Promotions, Spirit promotion of the previous two options being impossible, therefore making the ARMS rep a left field choice.

A case-by-case basis of the former second option is also possible, but ARMS could not be one of those, so there's that too.

 

[Trevenant]

We have seen it happening though. With Hero have mii sword fighter or Link shield sound fx, the Simon glitch tieing to Byleth.

the Simon glitch wasn't really confirmed to be Byleth though. Heck, the only similar moves byleth and Simon have are the up tilt and up air/smash which probably wouldn't warrant a glitch since one is a version of the tilt that can only be performed in the air and the other had to be made chargeable to work better as a smash attack.

It's not like characters can be always made out of scratch every time if development has to be made less taxing, some characters share normal moves with other characters anyway. The staffers had to use bases sooner or later.



The only thing I'll say about this is be open to any possibility, even the unlikely ones. I completely stopped being disappointed after the Melee era (if I even remember that occurring in the first place).

I'm not saying they dont, I'm pretty much saying this glitch stuff imo means nothing as these characters glitches don't tie to the characters who people speculated used them as bases aside from maybe links shield sound

 

[fogbadge]

papagenos made a new video, and talks about the ARMS character speculation.

He does mention Twintelle specifically ad a likely choice, but one of his reasons i didnt think of and makes a lot of sense from a developer side: she has normal arms, and thereform should be able to use normal items a lot easier. Sure, Min min and could use their extendo arms to hold say a super scope, but i could see that looking odd or maybe hard to make work right.

whos that next to rayman?

 

[Trevenant]

whos that next to rayman?

That's Ahri from league of legends IIRC

 

[Sigran101]

My top 5 before Ultimate:

1. Goemon

2. K. Rool

3. Ridley

4. Banjo & Kazooie

5. Krystal

I got 3 of them now I only got 2 to go.

Mine were

1. Joker
2. Ridley
3. King K Rool
4. Geno
5. Banjo

Just one more and I'll have them all!

 

[NOSTARSICK]

I didn't really have any most wanteds...I mean, an ARMs rep was one I wanted to see but I could understand why there wasn't one as a playable character...but as time went on, i thought of two series I'd honestly love to see in the game...Breath of Fire and/or Bloody Roar (I know either aren't likely)

 

[fogbadge]

That's Ahri from league of legends IIRC

ah, my experience with that game is limited

Mine were

1. Joker
2. Ridley
3. King K Rool
4. Geno
5. Banjo

Just one more and I'll have them all!

lucky you

 

[kirbsmash]

brass....give me brass...