Congratulations, Min Min! ARMS character(s) for Smash discussion

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Also Sakurai considered Slime before going with Hero.

Not entirely true.

He always thought of Hero first and foremost, but knew that Square was very strict when it came to DQ Heroes, so he was willing to put Slime instead of Hero as a backup plan.

If Slime was the first choice, we would've gotten Slime.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Not entirely true.

He always thought of Hero first and foremost, but knew that Square was very strict when it came to DQ Heroes, so he was willing to put Slime as a backup plan.

If Slime was the first choice, we would've gotten Slime.

I thought it was because if Hero didn't work out programming wise, Slime would have been picked instead. Guess I misinterpreted things.

Granted, it is true that Heroes from earlier games seldom got into DQ-related crossovers or spin-offs of any sort before this point. Even Sak wasn't sure that he would be able to pull off something this taboo (DQ is a respected legacy series over there), so whichever Nintendo executive that suggested Hero to him had massive balls to bring it up.

 

[AntagonisticGalaxyCetacea]

I seriously don't understand why people say "Springman cant be upgraded from spirit/assist trophy to playable" but in the same breath say that Min Min is most likely, despite the fact they're both spirits

No matter how popular Min Min is, people are forgetting Springman is held in higher regard than she is. Even Ribbon Girl too. Both of them are practically the head honchos of what ARMS is about. Popularity doesn't matter in the end as Decidueye was clearly received far more than Incineroar but lost out to him in the end.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I seriously don't understand why people say "Springman cant be upgraded from spirit/assist trophy to playable" but in the same breath say that Min Min is most likely, despite the fact they're both spirits

No matter how popular Min Min is, people are forgetting Springman is held in higher regard than she is. Even Ribbon Girl too. Both of them are practically the head honchos of what ARMS is about. Popularity doesn't matter in the end as Decidueye was clearly received far more than Incineroar but lost out to him in the end.

Though admitting I'll be wrong if it happens. I'm of the opinion that assists can't be promoted as its never happened in Smash before and when it does its for the next game.

Little Mac: Brawl>SSB4
Isabelle and Dark Samus: SSB4>Ultimate

Given it was too late to add Spring Man, I feel he'll make his debut in Super Smash Bros. 6 if it happens.

In this case I can see this being an possible exception where they go with Ribbon Girl instead as after him, she's the face of the franchise.

 

[Megadoomer]

I seriously don't understand why people say "Springman cant be upgraded from spirit/assist trophy to playable" but in the same breath say that Min Min is most likely, despite the fact they're both spirits

No matter how popular Min Min is, people are forgetting Springman is held in higher regard than she is. Even Ribbon Girl too. Both of them are practically the head honchos of what ARMS is about. Popularity doesn't matter in the end as Decidueye was clearly received far more than Incineroar but lost out to him in the end.

My guess is that it's because Spring Man's an assist trophy, while Min Min isn't. In theory, it's possible for them to turn off an assist trophy if the playable version's one of the characters in a match (they're turned off for specific stages, like the Moon not showing up on Great Bay, or Alucard not showing up in the Wii Fit Studio), but they've never changed a character from an assist to playable within the same game, while they have for collectibles. (Mewtwo and Lucas being trophies in Smash 4's base and becoming DLC later, though that situation could be seen as being different since they were veterans)

Plus, assist trophies are active parts of gameplay while spirits aren't, and we've already seen that spirits can be renamed and have their battles changed.

Hard to say anything for sure, though. A lot of supposedly iron-clad fan rules have been broken over the years, and we've only had two games with DLC, which isn't a ton to go by.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

With things finally settled though until prove otherwise being still of the opinion assists can't be promoted, I'm thinking the ARMS rep will be Ribbon Girl.

 

[AntagonisticGalaxyCetacea]

Though admitting I'll be wrong if it happens. I'm of the opinion that assists can't be promoted as its never happened in Smash before and when it does its for the next game.

Little Mac: Brawl>SSB4
Isabelle and Dark Samus: SSB4>Ultimate

Given it was too late to add Spring Man, I feel he'll make his debut in Super Smash Bros. 6 if it happens.

This is more or less an assumption and a bit of a silly pattern.

Little Mac hadnt been in a game in so many years when Brawl was released. He was simply there as a nostalgic NES character. Punch Out for the Wii came out after Brawl. That's when Little Mac was finally brought back into the spotlight after so long; which was a big factor in interest of him making it into Smash. As for Isabelle, she was always popular, but it made sense to finally make her playable in Ultimate due to it increasing and her being more involved in the later titles.

There's nothing saying that Springman or any other ATs have to wait until the next game to be made playable. That sure didn't work for Isaac.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Plus, assist trophies are active parts of gameplay while spirits aren't

But they're still able to actually affect the gameplay by altering character properties and showing up on the HUB near your character's damage percent.

 

[Trevenant]

So should we expect Jin, Siegfried and Liu Kang then for their franchises rep rather then Heihachi, Nightmore and Scorpion since they're the protagonists? Protagonist first rule amIrite?

Also Sakurai considered Slime before going with Hero.

What? That was not my point at all so it went completely over your head. I said it's either protagonist or mascot first. Slime is the mascot so the point still stands. All those characters you pointed out actually have the ballot to back them up and are either the mascots or protags of their series or have an established role of importance in an already present one. Smash has rarely ever if ever taken outside popularity sources into account when adding a character. The ballot, the brawl poll and the 'what if there was a smash 2' poll were ran directly by Nintendo and Sakurai for smash. I'm just saying I don't buy it for one second

 

[Megadoomer]

But they're still able to actually affect the gameplay by altering character properties and showing up on the HUB near your character's damage percent.

That seems relatively minor compared to assist trophies appearing on stage and fighting, or at least a grey area (especially since there are a bunch of variations on the same character, like numerous Links/Pikachus/Marios, Samus in different suits, or Kaptain K. Rool); I just don't see why the developers would rule out over a thousand characters (including basically every single major Nintendo character) because a single PNG file of them exists in the game.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

This is more or less an assumption and a bit of a silly pattern.

Little Mac hadnt been in a game in so many years when Brawl was released. He was simply there as a nostalgic NES character. Punch Out for the Wii came out after Brawl. That's when Little Mac was finally brought back into the spotlight after so long; which was a big factor in interest of him making it into Smash. As for Isabelle, she was always popular, but it made sense to finally make her playable in Ultimate due to it increasing and her being more involved in the later titles.

There's nothing saying that Springman or any other ATs have to wait until the next game to be made playable. That sure didn't work for Isaac.

What? That was not my point at all so it went completely over your head. I said it's either protagonist or mascot first. Slime is the mascot so the point still stands. All those characters you pointed out actually have the ballot to back them up and are either the mascots or protags of their series or have an established role of importance in an already present one. Smash has rarely ever if ever taken outside popularity sources into account when adding a character. The ballot, the brawl poll and the 'what if there was a smash 2' poll were ran directly by Nintendo and Sakurai for smash. I'm just saying I don't buy it for one second

Pretty much settled unless wrong about assists being promoted in the same game, I'm thinking it'll be Ribbon Girl as the ARMS rep.

Also sorry Trevenant, one thing about me I get too carried away sometimes.

 

[fogbadge]

It isn't really being nasty it's just for and against stuff which is perfectly fine as long as it doesn't actually derail the discussion or turn hostile.

some one came in here called people debunking fan rules pathetic and people were getting riled

If we aren't supposed to be having debates, then by that logic we should just leave the forum and quietly play our games. Besides, this thread is really tame compared to some I've been to.

i never said that

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Hey, here's an angle that I don't think we've considered until now:

Sakurai often mentions games he plays and/or likes, but did he ever say anything about who his favorite ARMS fighter is?

some one came in here called people debunking fan rules pathetic and people were getting riled

Then if it stopped happening since then, we're all fine. The guilty party isn't even here to cause trouble anymore and we're having normal discussions again, I don't really see what the issue is.

There's nothing saying that Springman or any other ATs have to wait until the next game to be made playable. That sure didn't work for Isaac.

Well, that's the thing, characters that come back in a big way via a series or game revival, or are from a series that's still popular and healthy seem likelier to be promoted, so of course it wouldn't work for Isaac. It's just near-impossible to determine which AT will be promoted next, if anyone at all, considering that even Phosphora has been left aside.

Also, Waluigi and Zelda characters are weird cases that don't get promoted no matter what happens.

 

[SwitchButton]

That seems relatively minor compared to assist trophies appearing on stage and fighting, or at least a grey area (especially since there are a bunch of variations on the same character, like numerous Links/Pikachus/Marios, Samus in different suits, or Kaptain K. Rool); I just don't see why the developers would rule out over a thousand characters (including basically every single major Nintendo character) because a single PNG file of them exists in the game.

Because you're thinking about it backwards. Its not a situation where they don't allow themselves to use a character due to it being a spirit, it's that characters who didn't have anything to justify their inclusion during the base game selection most likely still don't have anything to justify their inclusion. If there wasn't an olive branch for them 3 years ago then that likely hasnt changed in a mere 2/3 years.

ARMS for example HAS changed in the last 3 years. In the base game roster selection, ARMS simply wasnt a finished product or an established IP. Thus didnt justify a roster spot. But now it IS a finished product and an established IP. Thats the olive branch.

Like I said earlier; there is no glass ceiling to shatter or floodgates to open. Its all about CONTEXT.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Hey, here's an angle that I don't think we've considered until now:

Sakurai often mentions games he plays and/or likes, but did he ever say anything about who his favorite ARMS fighter is?

That... is a very good question.

LET US USE THE POWER OF GOOGLE!

 

[♕Pretty Roger♕]

This is more or less an assumption and a bit of a silly pattern.

Little Mac hadnt been in a game in so many years when Brawl was released. He was simply there as a nostalgic NES character. Punch Out for the Wii came out after Brawl. That's when Little Mac was finally brought back into the spotlight after so long; which was a big factor in interest of him making it into Smash. As for Isabelle, she was always popular, but it made sense to finally make her playable in Ultimate due to it increasing and her being more involved in the later titles.

There's nothing saying that Springman or any other ATs have to wait until the next game to be made playable. That sure didn't work for Isaac.

You are discrediting an argument by saying it's an assumption while yours is purely based on assumptions.

We do not know if Little Mac made the jump to playable status because of his new game, he could have it made without it (personally I don't think he would have) but what we DO know is that all the playable assists upgraded in a different game where their assist trophies were taken out, so there's a pattern and even if there are exceptions, patterns work as a guide for the future in most cases.

Saying that there's nothing blocking an assist trophy to be upgraded is a possibility, but not a likely one since that has never happened before , even if it were to happen, every character, assist or not, has way more context behind its inclusion that we might never know of.

How was Isabelle more involved in later titles by the way? New Leaf was her peak, she plays an important role in New Horizons but way less influential than in NL, her introduction was probably a bit late to make it to Smash 4.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

As for Isabelle, she was always popular, but it made sense to finally make her playable in Ultimate due to it increasing and her being more involved in the later titles.

That is not true at all.

Heck, Tom Nook actually takes half of the job she had in New Leaf after she shows up in New Horizons.

She's not being more involved, she's just being more popular.

 

[fogbadge]

Hey, here's an angle that I don't think we've considered until now:

Sakurai often mentions games he plays and/or likes, but did he ever say anything about who his favorite ARMS fighter is?

Then if it stopped happening since then, we're all fine. The guilty party isn't even here to cause trouble anymore and we're having normal discussions again, I don't really see what the issue is.

well you cant blame a guy for getting defensive when he thinks people are turning on him

as for your other point im surprised sakurai says anything about what he plays anymore as people keep asking him if these means something for smash

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

well you cant blame a guy for getting defensive when he thinks people are turning on him

as for your other point im surprised sakurai says anything about what he plays anymore as people keep asking him if these means something for smash

Well if you've got a better idea of a new topic to talk about, then I'm all ears. That's all I've got.

 

[fogbadge]

Well if you've got a better idea of a new topic to talk about, then I'm all ears. That's all I've got.

i didnt suggest changing subjects, i was just voicing how surprising it is that skurai hasnt abandoned the internet all together due to him not being able to anything without someone asking for a character they want

 

[MoonTron]

ARMS has had too much media that focuses on Spring Man for them to change mascots at this point. .

I disagree.

ARMs reminds me of DarkStalkers.
DS had a protag in Demitri. But in creating a cast of unique and interesting playable characters all at once you very much roll the dice on who is gonna be the most loved ... and it turned out that fans greatly preferred Morrigan. So they pivoted to focusing on her. She's now the go-to DS rep for Capcom Crossovers and most popular DS character.

No one's debating that SM isn't seen as "the face of ARMs". It's clear that that's what they were pushing for. But ARMs has no story, ARMs has no long list of games where the cast changes some but everything still remains focused on this 1 character, ARMs at this point is just 1 game where it's clear that among both people who play and don't play it "Twin and Min" are by far more popular than SM.

It remains to be seen if they will or wont but it's perfectly possible for them to pivot the spotlight.
The fact that they're willing to announce that the new fighter is from ARMs but leave us with a 2 month guessing game about who AND allow people some time to try the game out for free screams to me that it's either not gonna be the dude on the box OR it's gonna be more than just him. They wouldn't pull this with the first SF character to get in cause we all know exactly who would be picked first.
SM seems like the clear choice which is why I don't think it's gonna be that simple.

 

[SwitchButton]

I disagree.

ARMs reminds me of DarkStalkers.
DS had a protag in Demitri. But in creating a cast of unique and interesting playable characters all at once you very much roll the dice on who is gonna be the most loved ... and it turned out that fans greatly preferred Morrigan. So they pivoted to focusing on her. She's now the go-to DS rep for Capcom Crossovers and most popular DS character.

No one's debating that SM isn't seen as "the face of ARMs". It's clear that that's what they were pushing for. But ARMs has no story, ARMs has no long list of games where the cast changes some but everything still remains focused on this 1 character, ARMs at this point is just 1 game where it's clear that among both people who play and don't play it "Twin and Min" are by far more popular than SM.

It remains to be seen if they will or wont but it's perfectly possible for them to pivot the spotlight.
The fact that they're willing to announce that the new fighter is from ARMs but leave us with a 2 month guessing game about who AND allow people some time to try the game out for free screams to me that it's either not gonna be the dude on the box OR it's gonna be more than just him. They wouldn't pull this with the first SF character to get in cause we all know exactly who would be picked first.
SM seems like the clear choice which is why I don't think it's gonna be that simple.

Who smash picks as the fighter isn't relevant to the actual ARMS series. Regardless of who is confirmed Spring Man will always be the game's mascot. There's too much media invested in the character. This is like saying Pikachu would be replaced as the mascot of pokemon post-Yellow

 

[meleebrawler]

Character speculation talk bores me. How about we talk potential ARMS character rivalries instead?

- Spring Man vs. Min Min. Despite frequently being pitted with Ribbon Girl, Spring Man honestly has more in common with the ramen bomber, both having a love for a certain kind of food and fighting to help their establishments become more recognized. I'm surprised we don't hear more of pizza vs. ramen disputes.

- Ribbon Girl vs. Twintelle vs. Kid Cobra. Yeah, a three-way. All of them are fighting to become more popular, and have huge fan followings for their non-ARMS exploits.

- Master Mummy vs. Lola Pop. Both of them are fighting to fulfill a dream. Though it's fortunate that Mummy's doesn't necessarily require winning, whereas Lola needs that prize money for her circus.

- Ninjara vs. Misango. These fighters are out to prove themselves, one for his peers, the other to the public, that their techniques are without equal.

- Mechanica vs. Byte & Barq. This one's a little weird. Mechanica just has an overabundant curiosity for anything mechanical, and would be very interested in learning more or tinkering with the clockwork cops. They probably aren't having any of it.

- Helix vs. Springtron. More of a one-sided one on Helix's part, if such thoughts even cross his mind. He wants to challenge Springtron to prove himself to his "mother" Coyle, but the only opponent the mean machine has eyes on is his inspiration, Spring Man.

- Max Brass vs. Dr. Coyle. Self-explanatory.

MoonTron Actually, I think Morrigan was always intended to be a co-protagonist with Demitri. The main plot has centered on both of them from the very beginning, with the latter's goal being to usurp her position as ruler. Not to mention that they both have shoto-like controls.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Character speculation talk bores me. How about we talk potential ARMS character rivalries instead?

- Spring Man vs. Min Min. Despite frequently being pitted with Ribbon Girl, Spring Man honestly has more in common with the ramen bomber, both having a love for a certain kind of food and fighting to help their establishments become more recognized. I'm surprised we don't hear more of pizza vs. ramen disputes.

- Ribbon Girl vs. Twintelle vs. Kid Cobra. Yeah, a three-way. All of them are fighting to become more popular, and have huge fan followings for their non-ARMS exploits.

- Master Mummy vs. Lola Pop. Both of them are fighting to fulfill a dream. Though it's fortunate that Mummy's doesn't necessarily require winning, whereas Lola needs that prize money for her circus.

- Ninjara vs. Misango. These fighters are out to prove themselves, one for his peers, the other to the public, that their techniques are without equal.

- Mechanica vs. Byte & Barq. This one's a little weird. Mechanica just has an overabundant curiosity for anything mechanical, and would be very interested in learning more or tinkering with the clockwork cops. They probably aren't having any of it.

- Helix vs. Springtron. More of a one-sided one on Helix's part, if such thoughts even cross his mind. He wants to challenge Springtron to prove himself to his "mother" Coyle, but the only opponent the mean machine has eyes on is his inspiration, Spring Man.

- Max Brass vs. Dr. Coyle. Self-explanatory.

Mechanica and Dr. Coyle

But are gifted geniuses who were born without ARMS, but found different ways to circumvent that (Mechanica built a mech, Coyle gave herself ARMS through self-experimentation). They also see Max Brass in different ways, Coyle hating him and Mechanica idolizing him.

 

[meleebrawler]

Mechanica and Dr. Coyle

But are gifted geniuses who were born without ARMS, but found different ways to circumvent that (Mechanica built a mech, Coyle gave herself ARMS through self-experimentation). They also see Max Brass in different ways, Coyle hating him and Mechanica idolizing him.

Interesting, though I wouldn't necessarily call it a rivalry. Coyle actually has a healthy amount of respect for Mechanica's intelligence despite viewing her tech as inferior (not really an unfair statement given she gets her materials from a junkyard whereas Coyle has full access to state-of-the-art machines), and if her specific win quote against her is any indication, would like to take her under her wing. It's hard to say how Mechanica might feel about all that, though. As much as she loves watching ARMS fights, her specialty field is robotics, not ARMS like Coyle.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Interesting, though I wouldn't necessarily call it a rivalry. Coyle actually has a healthy amount of respect for Mechanica's intelligence despite viewing her tech as inferior (not really an unfair statement given she gets her materials from a junkyard whereas Coyle has full access to state-of-the-art machines), and if her specific win quote against her is any indication, would like to take her under her wing. It's hard to say how Mechanica might feel about all that, though. As much as she loves watching ARMS fights, her specialty field is robotics, not ARMS like Coyle.

It would be a more friendly rivalry.

I could also see Coyle getting annoyed by how much Mechanica likes Brass.

And if Springtron is anything to go by, Coyle is no slouch at robotics either.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Actually, I think Morrigan was always intended to be a co-protagonist with Demitri. The main plot has centered on both of them from the very beginning, with the latter's goal being to usurp her position as ruler. Not to mention that they both have shoto-like controls.

Either way, it got dropped after the series ended, to the point that Cross Edge made a joke about Demitri's lack of popularity/recognizability.

i didnt suggest changing subjects, i was just voicing how surprising it is that skurai hasnt abandoned the internet all together due to him not being able to anything without someone asking for a character they want

I think he's just settled into varying up topics to talk about a little. He's no Itoi, so it's hard not to want to share his passion.

Anyway, let's just drop this.

 

[GolisoPower]

You know, after playing a bit of ARMS again for the first time (I'm quite a bit rusty after not playing for so long), I can't help but think that the sequel could expand on the nature of their springy arms.

Like, it would be really cool if ARMS fighters can grapple onto the ceiling (Or something like lighting if outside) and swing from one side of the arena to another. Or grab any two corners of the arena and slingshot themselves towards the opponent. Nintendo has a good foundation for creativity with ARMS as is, so ARMS 2 could get loads more creative with it.

 

[MoonTron]

Who smash picks as the fighter isn't relevant to the actual ARMS series. Regardless of who is confirmed Spring Man will always be the game's mascot. There's too much media invested in the character. This is like saying Pikachu would be replaced as the mascot of pokemon post-Yellow

Go back and reread my post again. If you wanna say the same thing twice you might as well read the same reply twice.

ARMs was a very successful game for what it was ... but by no means did this one single game have the amount of promotional push invested in it over the past 3 years to say anything is set in stone. Nor is there any story in this game that re-enforces anything. Most of the "promotional investment" I've seen for this game is tweets featuring art work of the characters doing stuff. Hell, even the old ARMs website was taken down and replaced with a shell of it's former self.

Love how you bring up Pikachu.
Clefairy (a cute Normal type Pokemon at the time. Point this out cause it's legit the "basic" type in this game) was the star Pokemon of the first Pokemon Manga, the starter to Red ... before they figured out how much of a hit Pikachu was turning out to be.

IDK if you personally just like SM or not, but it's clear he doesn't hit the fandom like Min Min or Twin do. ARMs is only 1 game, what Nintendo and the devs do going forward is a complete unknown. Will the series be like DS or Pokemon where they follow the fandom? Will it end up like SC where the shake things up so much from game to game that people can debate who the "face" is? Will they stay the course and keep pushing SM?
Who knows.

Neither of us do.

 

[YeppersPeppers]

ARMS has, in my personal opinion, some of the best character design Nintendo has put out in a LONG time, so getting any character in Smash is absolutely great. That said, it's probably clear who my top choice is. I love Spring Man. I love his bubblegum colours. I love his goofy spring hair and sideburns. I love that he says "baddabing" and shoves pizza down his throat like there's no tomorrow. Dude blends together the things I love about both American comic and Japanese manga heroes, all wrapped up in such a rad design. I genuinely love Spring Man and really hope he gets into the game, but, again, I can't bring myself to be upset too much considering how much I love ALL the characters of ARMS.

I'm pumped for June...barring any potential delays, of course...

 

[SwitchButton]

Go back and reread my post again. If you wanna say the same thing twice you might as well read the same reply twice.

ARMs was a very successful game for what it was ... but by no means did this one single game have the amount of promotional push invested in it over the past 3 years to say anything is set in stone.

Says who? The two comics, the near exclusive presence in promo media, the Smash cameo, the clone. It's set in stone. Without question.

IDK if you personally just like SM or not, but it's clear he doesn't hit the fandom like Min Min or Twin do

The fighting game genre would look very different if every game pandered to fan favorite characters. It's pretty silly to think that a character is going to become the actual mascot because they're a popular character

Will they stay the course and keep pushing SM?
Who knows.

Neither of us do.

They're not going to replace the mascot of the franchise LOL. I know that for a fact. It's like you think Capcom would replace Ryu because people adore Cammy and Chun Li

Also I say this as someone who's favorite character is Lola Pop.

 

[Ace C.R.O.S.S.]

They're not going to replace the mascot of the franchise LOL. I know that for a fact. It's like you think Capcom would replace Ryu because people adore Cammy and Chun Li

What about Nakoruru in Samurai Showdown?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Says who? The two comics, the near exclusive presence in promo media, the Smash cameo, the clone. It's set in stone. Without question.



The fighting game genre would look very different if every game pandered to fan favorite characters. It's pretty silly to think that a character is going to become the actual mascot because they're a popular character



They're not going to replace the mascot of the franchise LOL. I know that for a fact. It's like you think Capcom would replace Ryu because people adore Cammy and Chun Li

Also I say this as someone who's favorite character is Lola Pop.

Mascots being replaced is not impossible.

First Darkstalkers game's main character was Demitri. Yes, a Darkstalkers game where Morrigan wasn't the mascot. In this day and age, this sounds impossible because she's in every Capcom crossover (except the only bad one), but yeah, Morrigan wasn't the original protag. She just ended up so popular that the plot of future games was changed to revolve around her specifically, effectively forcing a mascot change.

This is not a case that happens often, but it's not unheard of for a fighting IP to change mascots due to character popularity.

I'm not saying it's what's absolutely going to happen for ARMS, just that it's a possibility that can't be ignored, no matter how much marketing Spring Man got.

I mean, we already know the graphic novel has a different Spring Man than the one in the game. Could be Max Brass before his rise to champion without us even knowing yet because we don't have the full story of it.

 

[MoonTron]

Says who? The two comics, the near exclusive presence in promo media, the Smash cameo, the clone. It's set in stone. Without question.

lmao, what are you even going on about? Why would Sakurai putting in a SM AT count as ARMs promotion investment to the ARMs team? Think they had to pay him to do that? How much do those Jpegs cost them? The plot THICKENS.

And comic? Did you read the part where I point to Pokemon: Pocket Monsters manga?

The fighting game genre would look very different if every game pandered to fan favorite characters. It's pretty silly to think that a character is going to become the actual mascot because they're a popular character

They're not going to replace the mascot of the franchise LOL. I know that for a fact. It's like you think Capcom would replace Ryu because people adore Cammy and Chun Li

Also I say this as someone who's favorite character is Lola Pop.

Again, reread my post if all you're gonna say is the same thing I replied to.

I have given you examples of games shifting spotlights.
I've given you examples of games where people have full blown debates over who the "face/ mascot/ main character/ protag" is because of shifting focus in the story.
Wanna cover your ears? You can do that without replying lol!

. If you got something against me and want to ignore the DS example I posted (you surely don't want to acknowledge it .. shrug) then read this person's post.

Also ... funny you use SF.
SF is a game series where the first game only allowed you to play as RYU. In order to play as Ken you had to have a 2nd player. Ryu wasn't just tossed in with a huge cast of character like SM.
All the other characters were just enemies for Ryu to fight lmao, SF is a fighting game series where there is a clear cut main character from the start cause the entire series was built ontop of a game where players had to follow only his journey.

If you don't think it will happen that's your opinion.
But you can't see the future, and it has happened before ... and it's clear as a day in May that there are a number of characters more popular than him.
Glad that you apparently realize that regardless of what you think of mascots SM isn't a lock for the spot though.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Though admitting I'll be wrong if it happens. I'm of the opinion that assists can't be promoted as its never happened in Smash before and when it does its for the next game.

Little Mac: Brawl>SSB4
Isabelle and Dark Samus: SSB4>Ultimate

Given it was too late to add Spring Man, I feel he'll make his debut in Super Smash Bros. 6 if it happens.

In this case I can see this being an possible exception where they go with Ribbon Girl instead as after him, she's the face of the franchise.

If you acknowledge that it's just a baseless opinion of yours, the least you could do is not repeat it constantly on various threads.

 

[Deleted member]

With all due respect for opinion, if they're truly promoting Spring Man, I'm mostly going to be in it based on how it will work.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I seriously don't understand why people say "Springman cant be upgraded from spirit/assist trophy to playable" but in the same breath say that Min Min is most likely, despite the fact they're both spirits

No matter how popular Min Min is, people are forgetting Springman is held in higher regard than she is. Even Ribbon Girl too. Both of them are practically the head honchos of what ARMS is about. Popularity doesn't matter in the end as Decidueye was clearly received far more than Incineroar but lost out to him in the end.

Because there's an nano-angstrom of precedent for a character who is a collectable to get upgraded (Mewtwo and Lucas in Smash 4) while at the moment there's none for Assist Trophies to get promoted within the same game.

Also, can I ask what you mean by regard and how it's different from popularity in this context?

 

[Deleted member]

I wish I could have gotten into the free Arms trial before It expired.

Too bad I got kinda unlucky and my Online subscription expired by then.

Oh well, hopefully next time.

 

[fogbadge]

How about we talk potential ARMS character rivalries instead?

or arms ships? no youre right thatd open up a whole can of worms

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

or arms ships? no youre right thatd open up a whole can of worms

Considering how much overreacting happens when shipping is brought up in the Shantae thread, it's best not to do that anyways, yeah.

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Although I do find the theories about Max Brass, Coyle and Spring Man being related to each other to be...interesting, even though it's not immediately making sense.