Complete Hitbox/Frame Data For Every Character (Now with KO Percents)

[DanGR]

Luma up-air is listed as

Uair
Frame  9-14:     4%        30b/150g (KO@ 210%)  28° 1.5-Hitlag
Max Damage:      4%

I've gotten comfirmation that Luma's up-air hits on real frame 3 though. This is after considering the raw value of 2, which Luma acts one frame after.

Anyone know what's up with the 9-14 values shown above? My goal here is to identify how many frames Luma up-air's hitbox is active during.

 

[Lavani]

Luma's aerials are labeled in the order of nair>dair>uair>bair>fair, when it should be nair>fair>bair>uair>dair (like every other character).

 

[LimitCrown]

I've noticed that there are some parts of attacks that deal weight-based set knockback and have a knockback growth value of 0, and there are also scaling knockback moves with both zero base knockback and knockback growth. I wonder about what the difference between those two types of hitboxes are if the result is seemingly the same.

 

[Zareidriel]

A couple questions. Sorry if these were asked already.

So for example:

1. BEGIN reflet
2. **********
3. Jab1
4. Frame 4- 7: 3% 30b/30g 60° Slash
5. Frame 4- 7: 3% 30b/30g 75° Slash
6. Frame 4- 7: 3% 30b/30g 361° Slash
7. Max Damage: 3%
8. Enables transition to next jab state on real frame 14

1. U-smash
2. Frame 12-11: 15% 45b/84g (KO@ 132%) 92° Electric
3. Frame 12-12: 10% 70b/79g (KO@ 185%) 70° Electric
4. Frame 12-16: 9% 45b/84g (KO@ 236%) 55° Slash
5. Frame 17-16: 5% 60b/70g (KO@ 402%) 70° Electric
6. Max Damage: 15%
7. Smash charge window on real frame 6

What is the 60° or 361°? Is that degrees like it appears to be? Like, a 60 degree triangle? And a 360 is a circle? Or something else?

Why are there 3-4 listings for some moves and just one for others? I assume it has something to do with being hit by the move later rather than earlier.

Why do some frame durations go backwards? 12-11 for example. And why do some go from 12-12 and some from 12-16 (both begin at 12?)

Thanks a lot! With answers to these it'll help my understanding immensely.

 

[Uraniulvl]

Two fold question
1. Why does it say "real frame 12" instead of just state transition on frame 12?
2. So if it's captain Falcons first jab which is active 3-5 and then it says jab transition real frame 7 does that mean u only have frame 6 as can't do anything and then frame 7 you can start next jab?

 

[Twin Rhapsody]

I guess I'm just bad, but I can't understand how to read the KO percentage chart at all.

 

[Jerodak]

Do you guys know when you'll be able to get frame data on each character's ledge options? I was wondering how fast and invulnerable each character's ledge options were.

 

[Kofu]

A couple questions. Sorry if these were asked already.

So for example:

1. BEGIN reflet
2. **********
3. Jab1
4. Frame 4- 7: 3% 30b/30g 60° Slash
5. Frame 4- 7: 3% 30b/30g 75° Slash
6. Frame 4- 7: 3% 30b/30g 361° Slash
7. Max Damage: 3%
8. Enables transition to next jab state on real frame 14

1. U-smash
2. Frame 12-11: 15% 45b/84g (KO@ 132%) 92° Electric
3. Frame 12-12: 10% 70b/79g (KO@ 185%) 70° Electric
4. Frame 12-16: 9% 45b/84g (KO@ 236%) 55° Slash
5. Frame 17-16: 5% 60b/70g (KO@ 402%) 70° Electric
6. Max Damage: 15%
7. Smash charge window on real frame 6

What is the 60° or 361°? Is that degrees like it appears to be? Like, a 60 degree triangle? And a 360 is a circle? Or something else?

Why are there 3-4 listings for some moves and just one for others? I assume it has something to do with being hit by the move later rather than earlier.

Why do some frame durations go backwards? 12-11 for example. And why do some go from 12-12 and some from 12-16 (both begin at 12?)

Thanks a lot! With answers to these it'll help my understanding immensely.

I can answer the angle and multiple hitbox questions (can't explain the reverse frames though lol).

The degree listed is the launch angle, measured by the unit circle. Assuming the character is facing right, 0° is straight ahead, the the degrees counting up going counterclockwise. A 60° launch angle means the opponent is launched up an away from you, more up than forward. 361° is a special angle, called the Sakurai angle. I don't know the details but it essentially sends the opponent straight ahead.

You are correct, multiple listings for one attack for the same frame duration means that there are multiple hitboxes. Usually only one of these will damage the opponent though. For Robin's USmash, the earlier listed ones are the main sword stab, with the Levin sword's electrical sparks being listed later. I want to say the hitbox marked "slash" is for the Bronze sword, but I'm not familiar with his frame data and it might actually be somewhere else entirely.

 

[Zareidriel]

Thanks for the info. I'll look more into the matter and see what else I can find out.

 

[LimitCrown]

Do shields in this game take a larger percentage of the damage of an attack that hits it compared to Brawl and Melee?

 

[Big O]

Do shields in this game take a larger percentage of the damage of an attack that hits it compared to Brawl and Melee?

In this game you take 100% of the damage as shield damage. In Brawl you took like 70% instead. I'm not sure about Melee, but I think it depended on whether you light shielded or not.

 

[LimitCrown]

In this game you take 100% of the damage as shield damage. In Brawl you took like 70% instead. I'm not sure about Melee, but I think it depended on whether you light shielded or not.

I see. I suspected this to be the case after I had tested the amount of damage dealt to shields by using Samus's Charge Shot and equipment.

 

[Antonykun]

Is there any way to know when a move has invincibility?

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Comprehensive list, though most numbers aren't exact--

http://smashboards.com/threads/invincibility-and-armor-list.371822/

 

[Antonykun]

Comprehensive list, though most numbers aren't exact--

http://smashboards.com/threads/invincibility-and-armor-list.371822/

Ah Stone Scabbard does have invincibility frames and it hits on frame 3? this move might be better than what I gave it credit for.

 

[Donkeybutter]

I guess this might be kind of too broad of a question to answer simply with so much varied data, but in general how does the speed of attacks in this game compare to Brawl? I'm mostly wondering about ending lag, landing lag, and start up.

It's just that any thread over on /r/smashbros discussing Brawl/SSB4, it seems like a constant argument against Smash 4 that attack speed has been slowed down and there's more ending/landing lag across the board. But these all seem like anecdotal, subjective arguments (as I doubt most ppl have compared direct stats between more than like one character), so I'm curious how the actual hard data compares for those who are familiar in depth with both games. I'm also curious if rolls are actually that much faster, because a few characters like Mario I know have about the same frame data for rolls.

Thank you in advance to anyone who can help me out with this. I just am tired of what amount to these cherry-picked arguments that mostly use a few badly nerfed veterans and then apply it to the whole game. (i.e. Attacks are so much slower in Smash 4, just look at what they did with Falco and Marth!!). I know for a fact some veterans like Yoshi, Bowser, Ness, Luigi, Mario, Fox, Link, Ganon and more have better attack speed in this game, and I know that the average grab for all characters is basically the same for both games (8 frames)

 

[Zapp Branniglenn]

Hey, in the full data dump, it looks like you've mixed up Bowser's Flying Slam active frames between his air and ground versions. Air comes out on 17, Ground comes out at 8.

 

[earla]

yo i play mac.

how do i find out the exact advantage/disadvantage all moves have on opponents shields?

ie. i hit opponent shield with dtilt now i am (x) frames advantage or disadvantage.

does rage affect this?

thanks please help

 

[LimitCrown]

Rage doesn't affect how safe attacks are when they hit a shield. The damage that the attacks deal and any hitlag modifiers that the attacks may have affect this, along with amount of frames that the attacks last. Hitlag modifiers also don't affect shielding opponents. The exact formulas used to determine the amount of freeze frames and shieldstun sustained by targets are currently unknown.

 

[earla]

does anyone have the exact frames of invincibility little macs up b has?

 

[Zapp Branniglenn]

does anyone have the exact frames of invincibility little macs up b has?

It's not yet listed in the full data. We know for certain it's three at the very least. The invincibility starts from frame 1 and definitely persists to the first hitbox, which is frame 3.

 

[earla]

thanks!= bud

 

[Vipermoon]

Hi guys. I'd like to point out a mistake for Marth and Lucina. After jab 2, it says something like enables transition into next jab at frame 20. That is correct in Melee, but not in Brawl/Smash 4. In the past two games Marth doesn't have a continuous looping frame 20 jab, he actually has to wait for jab 2 to end before he can start jab 1. So I guess the way to fix the mistake would be to just backspace that part out. Thanks for the data I use it very often.

 

[Nate22Hill]

I'm really new to the smash community and i wanted to ask why frames matter? should you know when attacks come out or does it just give you an idea of how fast attacks are.

 

[YELLO]

I'm really new to the smash community and i wanted to ask why frames matter? should you know when attacks come out or does it just give you an idea of how fast attacks are.

the same reason why frames matter in EVERY game

 

[Dagon97]

I'm really new to the smash community and i wanted to ask why frames matter? should you know when attacks come out or does it just give you an idea of how fast attacks are.

The frames matter due to a certain character combination in a certain scenario will have x outcome

 

[Nate22Hill]

and also what does up b 1 2 and 3 mean im guessing its something like 1 is a ground attack 2 is an aerial and 3 is charged

 

[Nate22Hill]

The frames matter due to a certain character combination in a certain scenario will have x outcome

should i memorize every characters frames or just my main's frames

 

[YELLO]

and also what does up b 1 2 and 3 mean im guessing its something like 1 is a ground attack 2 is an aerial and 3 is charged

referring to custom moves

 

[Teran]

Hey it could just be me being bad at finding stuff, but I don't see any jumpsquat frames

 

[Vipermoon]

Hey it could just be me being bad at finding stuff, but I don't see any jumpsquat frames

This is only hitbox frame data, not animation frame data.

 

[Teran]

This is only hitbox frame data, not animation frame data.

Well the / between the two made me think otherwise OH WELL.

Would there be anywhere I can find that little snippet of info? Because so far I haven't been able to find it

 

[Vipermoon]

Well the / between the two made me think otherwise OH WELL.

Would there be anywhere I can find that little snippet of info? Because so far I haven't been able to find it

It just depends on the character so if it were available it would be in respective character forums. Many don't have full frame data.

 

[Teran]

It just depends on the character so if it were available it would be in respective character forums. Many don't have full frame data.

All of this stuff is character dependent too .__.

But yeah I mean the character boards are a bit barren to say the least, in any case maybe this post can serve as an indirect request for said data. Knowing when your character goes airborne is pretty important for judging your OoS options for one thing

 

[Vipermoon]

All of this stuff is character dependent too .__.

But yeah I mean the character boards are a bit barren to say the least, in any case maybe this post can serve as an indirect request for said data. Knowing when your character goes airborne is pretty important for judging your OoS options for one thing

Yeah very important indeed.

 

[Magik0722]

Is there any data on the amount of hitstun or shieldstun on move? If not is anybody working on that that can give us a date the data will be available?

 

[Zapp Branniglenn]

Is there any data on the amount of hitstun or shieldstun on move? If not is anybody working on that that can give us a date the data will be available?

This is asked a lot, and from the sound of things, it doesn't seem like we have the means to figure that out, besides really close guesswork. I should note that nobody does research of this game for a living, and the game's programming probably doesn't have reference files detailing hitstun formulas, or anything having to do with animations, just hitboxes. The biggest hindrance is that neither Brawl nor Smash 4 feature any debug mode or menu that can be accessed to find out stuff like this in a precise manner.

 

[DavemanCozy]

This is asked a lot, and from the sound of things, it doesn't seem like we have the means to figure that out, besides really close guesswork. I should note that nobody does research of this game for a living, and the game's programming probably doesn't have reference files detailing hitstun formulas, or anything having to do with animations, just hitboxes. The biggest hindrance is that neither Brawl nor Smash 4 feature any debug mode or menu that can be accessed to find out stuff like this in a precise manner.

What has been tested so far regarding hitstun of moves then? Training mode in 1/4 speed and counting frames? If so, has this differed for every character?

I'll be looking into helping out during summer.

 

[Zapp Branniglenn]

What has been tested so far regarding hitstun of moves then? Training mode in 1/4 speed and counting frames? If so, has this differed for every character?

I'll be looking into helping out during summer.

Actually, I too am interested in this prospect. My plan is to use my HD capture device and play the footage back, frame by frame in a video editor. Assuming there's no issues with such a method, such as the program counting the 60 frames imprecisely, getting jumpsquat animation data shouldn't be hard to list out.

 

[Doval]

While I'd like to eventually have a full list of all special moves with properties that can act before the character's fastest normal, I can help out a bit now with a list of all of the moves I know with frame 1 invincibility or super armor with moves:

Invincibility (ground only):

Dr. Mario Up-2: Super Jump
Dr. Mario Up-3: Ol' One-Two
Mario Up-1: Super Jump Punch
Mario Up-2: Super Jump
Zero Suit Samus Down-1: Flip Jump
Zero Suit Samus Down-2: Shooting Star Flip Kick
Zero Suit Samus Down-3: Low Flip

Super armor (ground or air):

Charizard Down-3: Rock Hurl
Donkey Kong Side-3: Stubborn Headbutt
Wii Fit Trainer Down-2: Volatile Breathing

Shorter list than you expected? Marth, Lucina, and Bowser up specials are NOT frame 1 invincible contrary to popular belief, and yes, Mario and Dr. Mario are different in which offensive up-B variant has invincibility with the two of them being the only f1 invincible attacks I can find that will follow up the invincibility quickly with a hit.

Just wanted to point out that I tried Super Jump Punch and Flip Jump on the Wii U (v1.0.2) and they're no longer frame 1. Both of them got hit by ZSS and Fox's jabs but not Kirby's (3 frames). In theory the 1 frame Super Jump Punch would've allowed Mario to Up B out of shield during even the fastest multi-hit attacks, since I've yet to encounter one with enough shield stun to actually lock you into your shield.

I also tried Super Jump and it doesn't appear to have any start-up invincibility at all. Mario gets hit by 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5-frame jabs and frame 5 is when he becomes airborne.