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I feel like Pichu struggles with swordies, which alone should disqualify Pichu from top slot in a game with this many strong ones.
I absolutely agree that his kit has no cohesion, but I feel like Bowser Jr's is much less cohesive.
The only thing I can come up with is their lack of air control is similar to traditional fighting games. That seems like a really shallow reason to pick a character though, so I doubt that's it.
It can also be used to be an anti gimp tool if your opponent tries to hit you with a back air, you can use it, fail the attack and recover.
Is Mario still destroyed by almost anyone with a sword??
Mewtwo's an interesting case. With how high the cielings are, his uthrow kills noticeably later than it used to. But that also means he lives longer, and he got a weight buff too. I don't know about other people, but I preferred his explosive kill power over surviving longer. Then you factor in how recoveries have been nerfed across the board and he can edgeguard just as well as ever, he should be getting more kills offstage than ever before.
I was curious too, so I decided to watch the vods from Cosmos' stream where he fought Plup and ESAM earlier today.
Definitely agree regarding Pokemon Trainer. There will definitely be some untapped tech due to the unique mechanics of pokemon switch. For example, there is already some pretty cool stuff that is being found out with the switch timer skips (https://twitter.com/TSM_Leffen/status/1073024292244340737).
Ridley’s gameplan is to use his neutral tools to pressure you offstage and then edgeguard you. He has a lot of moves that excell at mid-range, and most of his juggling is horizontal. He can go deep and nair a lot of characters to their deaths, and his side-b is a mixup tool that guarantees free stage control if you block too much against him.
Yeah, I wouldn’t be quick to discount Ridley’s fireballs. Imagine that youre, say, Squirtle on Battlefield, and Ridley is on the other side of the stage, under one of the low platforms, puking out fireballs. What’s your option? This situation is lowkey super annoying whenever you play against him with a projectile-less rushdown character.
Jump to the other platform, drop down behind him and punish.
Diddy Kong, King K.Rool, Pikachu, Lucina and Chrom are my top contenders as of now. And of course the Belmont’s.
I don't know about top tier specifically, but the strongest looking so far to me are Diddy, Pikachu, *maybe Inkling, Ryu and Ken, Mewtwo, Chrom, Lucina, Roy, maybe Olimar, and I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Toon Link and Sonic as well.
When people get the hang of parries and edgeguarding in this game, we will probably see the decline of Chrom and Roy. Even though I like Chrom.
And this is why I stagger my fireballs. Sometimes I go full charge and see how they respond. Then other times I only go half charge so I can see them trying to cross the gap and punish me and Whoops! I've already recovered and can catch 'em with their pants down.
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As long as they don't add a Smash4 Bayonetta esque character as DLC, I don't think that'll happen to this game anytime soon.
He is essentially a swordsman in a dragon suit.
Mister M
that he isn't that flexible gameplan wise, so it's either he does what he does and it works or he gets blown up. The faster characters who can easily get in his face and keep him in disadvantage hurt him a lot
Belmont's projectiles have better priority than YL's projectiles. Cross goes right through YL's spam. I do think YL ultimately outcamps them but it's not as bad as it first appears. IMO the Belmonts will start out great but decline once players learn how to exploit them through juggling and edge guarding.
Yknow that saying... Ones trash is anothers treasure. I'm sure we'll see players who get used to their changes come along and push them.
Even as a die-hard Lucario fan (My desk is literally full of Lucario figurines), I think he has a lot of problems that need fixing with his oos options being #1. The fact that nair oos can't even many characters from point blank is a glaring flaw, he may be the only character in the entire game with this problem. Not only that, his uptilt and upsmash oos hit behind him first and upb is of course useless; Lucario could very well have the worst shielding options of the entire cast. Until nair is either made faster or hits lower, he is going to struggle hard against shield pressure characters.
Snake has a 5f dash attack with invincible head and arms that travels very far. He can also outbox most of the cast with a 3f jab and 4f ftilt at close range, and a dtilt at mid range that basically outranges swordies and can be spammed safely. Snake can actually mix up defense and aggression pretty well, the Belmonts can't (in comparison anyway), so I don't think you can categorize the two together like that.
Stop, drop and
the whip can be a tad tricky though if they angle it down. With that match-up though I find once Snake is in on them he can begin to outpace their neutral. But they exploit his recovery and juggle him badly, particularly their reach in their aerials means they can hit Snake holding a grenade and not worry about getting caught in the blast. If they use their long range aerials anyways, and not a dash attack or wtvr. They're a tricky matchup for him indeed.
From the matches I've seen people are still trying to play SSB4 (in SSBU). Myself included. Once we learn to parry and airdodge effectively the meta will change. I expect certain characters who have Brawl Zelda/SSB4 Yoshi syndrome to drop. The belmonts will still be good but not top tiers.
Although K Rool has some bonkers things going for him (two moves that bury, difficult recovery to punish if coming from below the ledge, armour on many moves) I think he'll eventually slide down the tier list a bit. His hurtbox is absolutely huge and his weight will make him combo food against certain characters. His armour is the only one in the game that has a pseudo shield break mechanic. I have no doubts he'll always be highish tier but these could hold him back from top of the heap.
Shaya
now. The only real let-down so far was G&W. I'm also curious how the lay of the land will treat Mega Man?
