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Zomba the Japan top player slayer. That game 5 was one clutch comeback
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Unfortunately, there is evidence suggesting Underdog Boost was on yesterday. It is currently unknown how many matches or setups were affected, but it's not looking good for the tournament. Even Maister noticed something wrong, but he didn't know it was Underdog Boost.As confirmed by Zomba, apparently today's sets prior to top 8 was played with Underdog Boost turned on. It definitely affected a few interactions throughout the top 12. Thankfully, TKBreezy confirmed that none of yesterday's sets was played with Underdog Boost on. Still a messy situation.
Leo's said that he practiced Pyra/Mythra because he knows that Byleth-Aegis is impossible. He came to this event prepared to PM ditto.MkLeo's pick was definitely more for the Sparg0 matchup than simply meeting him at the mirror.
Granted that Leo has used more Byleth than Aegis overall in this event, and Sparg0 used a lot of Cloud.Well 3 or the top 4 have used Aegis . Is this a sign of whats to come
13.0.2Welp...
They're done patching the game...
This is what we have to look forward to I guess.
We have stopped considering Byleth a bad character a long time ago. The subject of debate is deciding exactly HOW good is Byleth.So... do we still consider Byleth a bad character?
For real though. Everyone played outta their minds. This was a great tournament. Even matches like Dabuz vs Proto were fun to watch.
Hopefully we can do this again soon.
I don't think people have thought that for a while.So... do we still consider Byleth a bad character?
For real though. Everyone played outta their minds. This was a great tournament. Even matches like Dabuz vs Proto were fun to watch.
Hopefully we can do this again soon.
Smash World Tour 2021 Championships (40 Entrants)
1st: MkLeo
2nd: Cosmos
3rd: Sparg0
4th: Zomba
5th: Dabuz
5th: Kola
7th: ProtoBanham
7th: KEN
9th: Sonix
9th: MuteAce
9th: Shuton
9th: sisqui
13th: Maister
13th: Glutonny
13th: Scend
13th: Riddles
17th: Tweek
17th: Marss
17th: Anathema
17th: BassMage
17th: moxi
17th: SKITTLES!!
17th: MVD
17th: Myran25th: Chag
25th: Cloudy
25th: Tarik
25th: Capitancito
25th: Kobe
25th: Wrath
25th: Lea
25th: Jdizzle
33rd: alice
33rd: Kiyarash
33rd: Tilde
33rd: Br1 AV
33rd: Sintro
33rd: XIFL
33rd: Tomberry
33rd: Peli
Although we saw quite a bit of Aegis action today, he got an overall high amount of different characters in play this event, and two of top finishers of Aegis used the other character considerably (in the case of MkLeo, it might as well be treated as a secondary).
This tournament also saw a whole number of storylines come into play.
- Cosmos Pyra practice has paid off immensely. This is by far his best performance at a major in Ultimate, even dominating MkLeo in the mirror. He also beat Sparg0 in the mirror as well, but it was closer. To note that he started from the LCQ, all the way to grand finals game 5 vs MkLeo. If that isn't the run of the year, I don't know what is.
- Getting 17th at Smash Con is good, 5th at CEO 2021 is amazing, and now 4th at SWT Championship is outstanding. Zomba has been in the rise lately, with great coverage, comeback factor, and the best usage of ftilt and back air out of any ROB players. He literally invented the "ZomBair" during this tournament. ROB is quite notorious in this thread for being the #1 on OrionStats, and the most represented character overall, but little top level results. Zomba is bringing them here at a very young age.
- MkLeo's looks quite a bit more polished than it was in the last several tournaments. They mainly came into play vs Peli (Byleth vs Sonic is pretty bad) and Sparg0 (who is too use to the Byleth matchup + has issues in the ditto).
- However outside of that, MkLeo's stole the show once again. His Byleth looked dominant throughout this bracket, and as NairWizard says, only dropping a game vs Myran.
- To be expected of a once online circuit, there were a considerable amount of in this tournament. However, only two made it out of pools and they put on a show. Sonix in particular is very notable, as he went from losing his first two sets in the first day, to beating Dabuz, Tweek, and Maister. Quite a crazy comeback story for him.
- also did well this event: Dabuz used him in some crucial sets, while Shuton and Myran also performed admirably with the character.
Byleth is Top TierSo... do we still consider Byleth a bad character?
For real though. Everyone played outta their minds. This was a great tournament. Even matches like Dabuz vs Proto were fun to watch.
Hopefully we can do this again soon.
but if you close your eyes... https://t.co/By9pNHevlO pic.twitter.com/y17sqSxDUs
— rocbottom.bsky.social (@_RocBottom) December 20, 2021
To add on to that, Cosmos was the only one who solo mained her. We already know that he is very good player already, but this tournament was definitely the big breakout tournament, from LCQ to 2nd place.And people are already comparing Aegis to after the top 3 of the SWT being all players who main/secondary the character, with quite a few dittos.but if you close your eyes... https://t.co/By9pNHevlO pic.twitter.com/y17sqSxDUs
— rocbottom.bsky.social (@_RocBottom) December 20, 2021
Will say, even after this I don't think Pyra/Mythra are the next Bayonetta. They're starting to become dominant in top 8's but not to the point where the character is warping the meta around them like Bayonetta or Meta Knight did in Brawl. Hell, they still haven't solo won a major yet, and we're not in 6 Tyroy's at EVO Japan 2020 Top 8 territory either.
If these results continue, or it gets more absurd, then maybe that discussion can actually pick up seriously. But this is the only time we've had more then one Pyra/Mythra in top 8 of a major. I am expecting Aegis to be #1 on the next OrionStats though.
I meant in the next season of the rankings, where ROB won't be #1 anymore. Even Barnard said he doesn't think ROB will be #1 for results in the next season (starting January).Btw, ROB is still very likely going to be #1 in the rankings. The character's lead is too big (no pun intended) and it has Zomba providing even more points.
全然別の話やけどマジでシーク使いたくなって来た
— ザクレイ/Zackray (@Ssb4_Zackray) December 20, 2021
If I'm interpreting things right, we just came off an illegal ruleset that nerfs campy characters who rely on having a lead and buffs swordies who can sometimes struggle if they fall behind.We are going to be fine folks. There is nothing so far that indicates anywhere close to the new SSB4 Bayo.
That ruleset wasn't illegal throughout all of top 8, it didn't affect any of the games with Aegis. Underdog Boost was turned off then. Underdog Boost was apparently only affecting the very last sets of top 16 on Saturday and top 12 on Monday. Nothing else.If I'm interpreting things right, we just came off an illegal ruleset that nerfs campy characters who rely on having a lead and buffs swordies who can sometimes struggle if they fall behind.
If I'm interpreting their rage tweets correctly, players like Sonix, MuteAce, and Maister were having major difficulty getting basic combos and confirms to work. Swordies would pretty much be the only archetype that could still function well under knockback changes. Imagine Mythra getting lower percent strings at higher percents when she has the lead and Pyra netting earlier kills when she's behind.
And the takeaway from this is that the Aegis are the reincarnation of Smash 4 Bayo because one solo Aegis managed to get top 8 after two solo Sonics managed to also get top 8(ish)? With Byleth still taking the crown?
I dunno, it feels like people just want an overpowered character to spice up a mediocre roster. At least wait until Aegis wins a major under a real ruleset.
Ah, thanks for the clarification. It's hard to parse things when all the info is scattered around Twitter sometimes.That ruleset wasn't illegal throughout all of top 8, it didn't affect any of the games with Aegis. Underdog Boost was turned off then. Underdog Boost was apparently only affecting the very last sets of top 16 on Saturday and top 12 on Monday. Nothing else.
Only quoting to reemphasize, because you're 100% on the mark.Pyra and Mythra are more comparable to (singles) S4 Cloud than S4 Bayo, not just because they have a sword but because they exhibit similar levels of viability and other similarities in playstyle and adaptability. S4 Cloud basically had no (significantly) losing matchups outside of an optimized Bayo, so the only reason people don't mention him as much is because Bayo was taking over the meta and there was no point to using Cloud, but what we really have is another Cloud, not another Bayo.
I agree with the main point - that Aegis looks at lot like S4 Cloud in many regards - but if I may:Pyra and Mythra, like Cloud, are good, accessible, and flexible. No matter what kind of player you are--bait and punish, zoner, so-called "rushdown" player--they suit your playstyle. There is almost no reason not to have one in your pocket or as a secondary because they will likely fit you and will enable success against a variety of players of different characters. They reward fundamentals, but also have enough "privilege" baked into their animations and base stats that you have substantial margins for error compared to your opponent.
Is there counterplay, and are we going to see dips in Pyra/Mythra performance? For sure. But the counter-counterplay, just like with S4 Cloud, is significantly stronger, so I think we have a clear new #1 (across all levels) that's here to stay.
I've been saying aegis were the next SSB4 Bayo since the fist day they came out but they don't have to be exactly like Bayo to qualify. IMO they're the best character in the game, an over tuned DLC character who's shown up multiple times in multiple top 8s and is dominating the meta in an unhealthy way and therefor qualify. Ultimate is a different game than SSB4; very few people use solo characters anymore and it's not like they're lacking in solo results. But MKLeo's really the big road block. If he shows up, whatever character(s) he uses will very likely get first place be it Joker, Aegis or Byleth. Him dropping Aegis was a huge blow to them but doesn't mean they were any worse of characters. He just likes playing Byleth better.And people are already comparing Aegis to after the top 3 of the SWT being all players who main/secondary the character, with quite a few dittos.but if you close your eyes... https://t.co/By9pNHevlO pic.twitter.com/y17sqSxDUs
— rocbottom.bsky.social (@_RocBottom) December 20, 2021
Will say, even after this I don't think Pyra/Mythra are the next Bayonetta. They're starting to become dominant in top 8's but not to the point where the character is warping the meta around them like Bayonetta or Meta Knight did in Brawl. Hell, they still haven't solo won a major yet, and we're not in 6 Tyroy's at EVO Japan 2020 Top 8 territory either.
If these results continue, or it gets more absurd, then maybe that discussion can actually pick up seriously. But this is the only time we've had more then one Pyra/Mythra in top 8 of a major. I am expecting Aegis to be #1 on the next OrionStats though.
I've been saying aegis were the next SSB4 Bayo since the fist day they came out but they don't have to be exactly like Bayo to qualify. IMO they're the best character in the game, an over tuned DLC character who's shown up multiple times in multiple top 8s and is dominating the meta in an unhealthy way and therefor qualify. Ultimate is a different game than SSB4; very few people use solo characters anymore and it's not like they're lacking in solo results. But MKLeo's really the big road block. If he shows up, whatever character(s) he uses will very likely get first place be it Joker, Aegis or Byleth. Him dropping Aegis was a huge blow to them but doesn't mean they were any worse of characters. He just likes playing Byleth better.
We've had multiple Aegis at top 8s of a major before.
Glitch 8.5 - Konami Code (421 entrants) (Laurel, MD)
Glitch 8.5 - Ko... | Standings (smash.gg)
1st: ESAM |
2nd: MkLeo |
3rd: Kola
4th: Maister
5th: Light
5th: Chag
7th: Marss
7th: Cosmos
And there have been other times when Cosmos got 9th barely missing top 8. Plus several lesser tournaments with multiple Aegis in top 8.
Pinnacle 2021 (247 Entrants) (British Columbia)
1st: Ouch!?
2nd: Grape
3rd: Big D
4th: Jw
5th: Lemmon
5th: Blacktwins
7th: Tickle
7th: Riddles