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Boy quit complain'! We all know Lucina's broke as **** *** deserved those nerfs. *snicker* :^)
Her CS also kills at 50% now. >.>
Correction: "the sarcasm is strong here".
Oh c'mon...
Extra shieldstun means campier meta. Have you seen Brawl Minus Luigi and what he did under 64 levels of shield stun? That was an extremely campy meta because nobody in the right mind wanted to approach and be forced to shield.
NO SHIELDING ALLOWED. JUST HITBOXES. FINAL DESTINATION ONLY.
Any changes to Pac-Man? I could feel any.Hello and welcome to our bimonthly ****fest!
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Global Changes
Table listing is in alphabetical order. You can sort the table by provided values for your convenience.
- The latest season of Doctor Who has started, ~BREATHE~ fortunately Sundays are far far away
- Shield damage on tech get up attack decreased across the cast 10 → 8
- Shield stun mechanics altered: formula assumed: [(damage / 1.8)+3] over (damage/2.56) [?]
- Invincibility on back roll and air dodges reduced by 1 [?]
Thanks to @Thinkaman for dumping move set data and hence being the source of a hyper majority of the provided information thus far
Character | Last (PST) | Changes | MISHAUN COMPREE
Bowser | Wed 00:22 |
| ★
- Fireball (N-Special ?)
- Initial hit damage increased 5% → 6%
- Initial hitbox base 25 → 35, size 4 → 5
- Initial hit duration increased from 15 → 20 frames
- Weaker hit damage 3.5% → 5%, size 3.5 → 5
- Neutral Air damage on hits increased 5% → 6%
| ★
- Tech Get Up Attack alternative to global; shield damage 1 → 10
- (N-Special 3) ending reduced by 14 frames
| ★
- Wind-up Raptor Boost (S-Special 3) damage increased 7%/8% → 8%/9% (air/ground)
| ★
- ? (D-Special 2)
- Damage increased 10%/9% → 12%/10% (grounded/aerial)
- Ending reduced by 5 frames
| ★
- Giant Punch (Neutral Special) shield damage decreased 2 → 0 (customs included)
- Headbutt (Side Special) shield damage decreased 30 → 25 (Stubborn Headbutt [3] included)
| ★
- ? (D-Special 3)
- Damage increased from 8% → 10/12%
- Sweetspot knockback adjusted
| ★
- ??? Unknown damage decreased 2.0% → 1.5%
|
- Neutral Air significant rework
- Second strike initial hitbox damage increased 9% → 10%, growth 100 → 120
| ★
- Smash Counter (D-Special 3) growth 100 → 70, base 48 → 90
- Tempest (N-Special 2)
- Uncharged
- Damage increased 1% 5%
- Duration increased by 2 frames
- Ending reduced by 4 frames
- Charged
- Duration increased by 2/3 frames (initial, late)
- Initial hitbox moved backwards slightly
- Ending on regular charge reduced by 4 frames
- Ending on max charge reduced by 2 frames
- Furious Eruption (N-Special 3)
- Uncharged
- Sweet hitbox size 7.0 → 8.5, adjusted upwards
- Duration altered 12 → 10 frames (1st hitbox), 12 → 15 frames (2nd hitbox)
- Charged
- Sweet hitbox size 8.0 → 10.0, adjusted upwards
- Duration altered 16 → 14 frames (1st hitbox), 16 → 19 frames (2nd hitbox)
- Maximum Charged
- Sweet hitbox size 10.0 → 12.5, adjusted upwards
- Sour hitbox size 15 → 16, adjusted upwards
- Duration altered 16 → 14 frames (1st hitbox), 16 → 19 frames (2nd hitbox)
|
- Ice Breath (N-Special 2)
- Hitboxes moved forward
- 6% hitbox angle 40° → 30°, base 50 → 40, size 7.0 → 7.5
- Hammer Bash (S-Special 2)
- Aerial weight kb 20 50
- Hitbox priority lowered for sweet spot
| ★
- Shocking Spin (U-Special 2) Hitbox damage increases
- 14% → 16%, 9% → 11%/12, 7% → 8%, 5% → 6%
- New 14% hitbox added
| ★
- Neutral Special 3
- Uncharged damage 10% → 11%
- Charged growth increased 60 → 70
| ★
- ? (D-Special 2)
- Hitbox angle altered 58° → 65°
- Ending decreased by 7 frames
| ★
- Shield Breaker (Neutral Special) shield damage decreased 30 → 25
|
- Down Throw base decreased 75 → 55, growth increased 30 → 83
- Down Air spike hitbox size increased 1.8 → 2.5
- Cyclone (Down Special)
- Initial hitbox hit lag modifier increased 1.0 → 1.3
- Final hitbox growth 130 → 120, angle 90° → 89°
- Down Smash growth increased 80/100 → 85/104 (first/second strikes)
- Fiery Jump Punch (U-Special 2) hitboxes altered
- Size 3.8 → 4.0
- Vertical displacement 6.0 → 5.5
- Horizontal displacement 6.4 → 7.0
| ★
- Hyper Bomb (N-Special 2) ending decreased by 5 frames
- Ice Slasher (S-Special 2) ending decreased by 6 frames
| ★
- Lazy Shuttle Loop (U-Special 3) final hitbox size increased 7.0 → 7.2, duration increased by 2 frames
- Side Special 3
- Damage on hit increased 1% 2%
- Damage on trigger increased 8% 9%, hits sooner, smaller size and closer
| ★
- Lightweight (D-Special 2) "infinite" renewal glitch with platforms removed
|
- Guardian Luma (D-Special 3)
- Ending decreased by 1 frame
- Luma hitbox changes
- Floaty Star Bit (S-Special 2) ending decreased
- Jab damage on rapid loops 2% → 1.7%
|
- Melee Charge Shot (N-Special 3)
- Fully charged damage 18% → 20%, growth 35 → 32, base 65 → 70, size 8 → 10
- Partial charge damage 5% → 6%, angle 45° → 40°, base 30 → 50, size 4.0 → 2.5
- Screw Attack (Up Special) Looping hitboxes 2-4
- Angle altered 100 → 96
- Weight knockback altered 150/120 → 178/140
- Neutral Air
- Initial strike hitbox size increased 5.5 → 6.0, duration 2 → 4 frames
- Second strike angle now 45 from Sakurai Angle
- Second strike sweetspot size 3.5 → 4.0
- Second strike sour spot growth 80 → 98, size 2.8 → 3.3, duration increased by 2 frames
- Forward Air looping hits damage 1.0% → 1.6%
| ★
- Dash Vision (D-Special 2)
- Hitbox angle altered 35° → 32°
- Growth increased 84/94 → 89/99 (alt attack options)
| ★
- Tech Get Up Attack alternative to global; shield damage 1 → 10
| ★
- Sliding Spin Attack (U-Special 2)
- Grounded attack now has 6 hitboxes from 1, with higher growth
- One of the new hitboxes damage increased 10% → 11%
|
- Garlic Breath (N-Special 3) start up increased by 1 frame?
| ★
- Volatile Breathing (D-Special 2) unknown collision flag altered
| ★
- High Jump (U-Special 2) ending reduced by 4 frames
- Ledge Get-Up Attack shield damage increased 0 → 1
| ★
- Farore's Squall (U-Special 2)
- Hitbox duration increased by 1 frame
- Ending reduced by 6 frames
- Nayru's Passion (N-Special 3)
- Explosion hitbox start up decreased by 5 frames
- Wind hitbox start up decreased by 2 frames, slight position alteration
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. WHY SAKURAI?! WHY?!
did any testing?
Doesn't mean it should be like that, you shouldn't have to take out another character (that already makes projectlies completely useless 99% of the time) just to use pummel.
The Ice Climbers pretty much required you to have to separate them if you wanted to do any pummels. The Luma dilemma is no different.
That doesn't NOT make it an unfair advantage. You're basically saying it is fair for an option that the game states is effective on every other character, but SHOULDN'T be effective on Rosalina? Lets say hypotetically there was an update that made her shield automatically drop instead of break if Luma was present, completely denying one of the rules the game states should happen. Is that another instance of "get good and kill Luma" or is that an instance of unfair advantage?
The fact that you are complaining about it as if pummels are impossible to do on any character says a lot. When you see a second character acting with similar movements to a playable character, what do you expect, exactly? When you play a team game where you're fighting two other people and you have one in a grab, do you think the other just stands by idly and let you pummel away? The Ice Climbers followed a very similar mechanic but with even more abilities to defend themselves from grabs. What the game states are the basics of how things work, none of the more advanced stuff where actual thought on the part of the player becomes a factor. The game also says that shield breaks knock people into a helpless state, but that's not really the case if you're playing Jigglypuff, now is it? Not very different here.
This game is more than 1v1. I'll leave it at that.
Meh.
Exactly! and we don't need melee 3.0
