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Meta Cloud Video Thread (Matchups/Techs/etc;)

ToonKake

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They REALLY could have found some better music for the Midgar stage.. hopefully they add some later. Also if they made transformations neutral it could have been a legal stage :(

I still love playing it in friendlies, but some of the transformations are a bit too flashy and destructive lol
4 Real im like Where is Sephroths Theme? & a few Other FF Themes like cmon now Beyonetta has a Hell load of tracks & Midgar doesnt ?? cmon now doesnt make sense lol.
 

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Most of you may have already noticed Cloud's combo potential out of his weak hit Down Aerial. I tried my best to explore it a bit. Result below.
 

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I'd like some critique on my Cloud. I'm pretty bad with him in these videos but it was my first time trying him out.


 
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Super Smash Bros. for Wii U - Breaking The Limit! Part 2 (A Cloud KO & Combo Montage)


As promised part 2 of my montage is now finished. Lots of true combos and spikes in this one. :)
 
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Cloud vs R.O.B.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEVzyhboA84

Still kind of dissapointed I missed gyro spiking R.O.B. with Cloud.. I threw it down the wrong way.
That would have been plays of the week material =/ Still, that item play. Omg. Cloud seems to do well against R.O.B. but maybe that's just because I play R.O.B..

Cloud actually has a few nice combos and tricks if he manages to get other characters items.
Glide toss banana into Finishing Touch is a nice touch. Can also combo gordos into limit break side b XD
 
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Rango the Mercenary

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Just looking for some strong critique. I don't know how to DI Olimar's attacks properly, and I know I missed a few cues. Thank you for any advice.

 

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Just looking for some strong critique. I don't know how to DI Olimar's attacks properly, and I know I missed a few cues. Thank you for any advice.
Instead of constantly charging Limit Break by tiny amounts you should be spacing with blade beam and neutral air to block pikmin. After a while I started to notice limit break barely charges at all if you do it for a split second it seems to take some frames to start and end, you should always hold it for at least a short time or immediately cancel for mindgames. Also you were rolling around and just staying away from Alph but not really doing anything and just letting him hit you with pikmin, or going out of your way to kill pikmin nowhere near him.

This is actually a really good matchup for Cloud. All of your disjointed attacks can block and kill pikmin, just pay a lot more attention and try to force Alph into a corner rather than letting him run around throwing pikmin everywhere. Once you get him cornered (blade beam on the ground and approaching with neutral air is best against olimar/alph) you can be a lot more aggressive if you keep decent space. All of your disjointed moves will beat his pikmin attacks if spaced properly, you only get hit if he gets INSIDE your hitboxes. Pikmin are physical projectiles, you have massive disjoints. You need to use that to your advantage and go for more kill confirms, you honestly got lucky on that second stock. You have a huge weight advantage and can KO Alph pretty quickly don't let him take his time and set up.

When you manage to knock out one or two pikmin or get him in a bad spot you need to approach. Alph wants to run away and just pick away at you, he is not a great close range fighter the trick is to keep working him towards one side of the stage and time your attacks to deflect any Pikmin. There's no point getting at point blank range, his close range attacks are a bit quicker and he wants to knock you away. USUALLY Cloud likes knocking people away but with Olimar and Alph you need to be more aggressive. Blade beam has a bit of a range advantage as well so always use that if your out of pikmins range but don't want to approach.

Limit Break side B is the best option for taking out Olimar imo. Finishing touch is too slow and he's small and mobile so would be hard to land, Limit Break Side B on the other hand can counter his smash attacks or forward air and KO him around 70%
 
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This is from a Shoryuken.com forum member. I'm posting it for him.

 

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This is from a Shoryuken.com forum member. I'm posting it for him.

I seriously have to wonder if this will be feasible against most high-level players. Then again, I'm still facing high level players who get smacked by Ike's Aether spike.
 

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How in the hell do you DI mario's easy bake combos? You know, the down throw into mash up and a as hard as you can combo. I took 60 percent because my jump was taken. I manage to get out of one the first stock by di'n away from him but the second stock I was a little let down. I play greninja so this normally isnt a problem for me. Hes a fast faller + shadow sneak can punish that mess honey.
 

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How in the hell do you DI mario's easy bake combos? You know, the down throw into mash up and a as hard as you can combo. I took 60 percent because my jump was taken. I manage to get out of one the first stock by di'n away from him but the second stock I was a little let down. I play greninja so this normally isnt a problem for me. Hes a fast faller + shadow sneak can punish that mess honey.
Up + away. Sometimes they'll bait your airdodge and go for dash USmash, jabs, etc.
 

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How in the hell do you DI mario's easy bake combos? You know, the down throw into mash up and a as hard as you can combo. I took 60 percent because my jump was taken. I manage to get out of one the first stock by di'n away from him but the second stock I was a little let down. I play greninja so this normally isnt a problem for me. Hes a fast faller + shadow sneak can punish that mess honey.
I believe if you DI downwards to the outside and hold shield, you can escape the combo after the second hit.
 

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SLqhbweBPMY

Trela vs. Karna in Houston. Karna is a really good sheik. Trela is the better player overall, but I think this is pretty good evidence as to the cloud va. Sheik MU not being that bad at all
The sheik didnt play perfect. Died to technical errors and bad reads. That alone influences how well you play so you still cant say much.
 

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I believe if you DI downwards to the outside and hold shield, you can escape the combo after the second hit.
I dont think it would be down because cloud out of LB is not a fast faller. Thats what I would do if I was Greninja.
 

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The sheik didnt play perfect. Died to technical errors and bad reads. That alone influences how well you play so you still cant say much.
Yeah karna definitely made more mistakes than he ever does and wasn't playing like himself. MU inexperience was also a factor, as you could tell (normally karna plays pretty oppressively), but the fact that trela managed to do so much work, despite that hes the better player, was a good sign for an even matchup in the future, I think.
 

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I've gotten out of it with Cloud using that method. It surprised me, but it works. You just have to be vigilant.

First learned about it when Zero tweeted it out as a method to escape the combo.
ill try it and ill let you know love.
 

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Could just link the Grand Finals instead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXEUTGYu9xo.
Trela Cloud vs Karna Sheik
- Karna is one of the best Shieks atm.
- Cloud wasn't being played perfect either. For example, so many YOLO down-b's (just save them for confirmed falling up-air or a punish), have to stop going for the full Cross Slash on shield instead stop on 1st 2 hits and go for a grab or reset neutral, ect.
- Take it for what it is. Karna has much more experience with Sheik in comparison with Trela playing Cloud.
 
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Could just link the Grand Finals instead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXEUTGYu9xo.
Trela Cloud vs Karna Sheik
- Karna is one of the best Shieks atm.
- Cloud wasn't being played perfect either. For example, so many YOLO down-b's (just save them for confirmed falling up-air or a punish), have to stop going for the full Cross Slash on shield instead stop on 1st 2 hits and go for a grab or reset neutral, ect.
- Take it for what it is. Karna has much more experience with Sheik in comparison with Trela playing Cloud.
That was a terrible display of how to use the Limit Break.
 

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Cloud, Cloud, Cloud, and more Cloud! terminalkai has various sets of Cloud. These two are dittos; one on the 3DS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31uO0RIigNw, and one on the Wii U: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQQSpIpalOY. All different players, so critique accordingly.

This is from a recent online tournament that terminalkai hosts; アリシア's Cloud vs. ナナミさん's Triple D: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1coMFlltro.

アリシア's Cloud vs. あーす's Pit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOs9aR0MmSA. If I recall correctly from the Pits boards, あーす is Earth, the well-known Japanese Pit player.

あーす's Dark Pit and Cloud vs. KEN's Sonic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWwnMCZZb60. Hmm... Maybe new players are just trying him out or Earth and Komorikiri are thinking of picking up Cloud.

Edit: Forgot about these; Trela's Cloud vs. Dao's Falco: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F90lEa9Sy4E.

Trela's Cloud vs. Deluxemenu's Bowser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huCoeHuBqog.

Trela's Cloud vs. Karna's Sheik (Winner Finals): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLqhbweBPMY.

Trela's Cloud vs. Karna's Sheik (Grand Finals): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXEUTGYu9xo.
 
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Just a baby clip for now until I start recording more stuff :> Reverse N-airs are the future.
 

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love using this little combo at the beginning, was a tad amused when the bowser SDed from it though. I find it works better than just straight up down throw-cross slash, has the same weaknesses though

 

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EDIT: Nevermind, looks like Ffamran Ffamran already posted these.
 
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Ffamran

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EDIT: Nevermind, looks like Ffamran Ffamran already posted these.
Gotta be quicker on the draw, SOLDIER. :p

Speaking of which... VoiD and Nicko's Cloud sets from 12/21/15's Mega Smash Mondays #29 were uploaded on 2GGaming. VoiD took second with primarily Cloud and used Sheik and Fox in some sets while Nicko took 4th with only Cloud. Bracket: http://challonge.com/MSMsingles29.

VoiD's Cloud vs. Kila's Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LuwRZ8LiwY.

VoiD's Cloud vs. Zan's Toon Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujSplX0lrhU.

VoiD's Cloud, Sheik, and Fox vs. K9Bruce's Sheik: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PAdmLmufwk.

Nicko's Cloud vs. Zenyou's Mario: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHsXS06me04.

Nicko's Cloud vs. K9Bruce's Sheik: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJFW5n4jLwo.

Nicko's Cloud vs. Cacogen's Sheik: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWWUleeZ3n0.

Nicko's Cloud vs. VoiD's Cloud: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaaNUuIGusM.
 
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Hey doods! I'm pretty new to Smashboards and I've finally decided to join, so I can hop on the forums and chat with you guys whenever I can.

I'm a Wario main, but I'm probably switching to maining Cloud and secondary Wario once I get enough experience with Cloud. I have a couple of videos of my Cloud in action and any feedback of what I did right/wrong would be great. Thanks!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz2rtnXMwjs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZEsyZd6bGo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwv2wp_xK48
 

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How in the hell do you DI mario's easy bake combos? You know, the down throw into mash up and a as hard as you can combo. I took 60 percent because my jump was taken. I manage to get out of one the first stock by di'n away from him but the second stock I was a little let down. I play greninja so this normally isnt a problem for me. Hes a fast faller + shadow sneak can punish that mess honey.
A Mario/Doc main told me you can Up B out of it. I havent tried it yet.

This was mentioned earlier
but Void's Cloud has something I've not seen yet and have yet to hear from this board, neutral air to limit cross slash

it seems like a very good option, and according to him is a true combo
 
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A Mario/Doc main told me you can Up B out of it. I havent tried it yet.

This was mentioned earlier
but Void's Cloud has something I've not seen yet and have yet to hear from this board, neutral air to limit cross slash

it seems like a very good option, and according to him is a true combo
I do not think you can UPB out of marios uptilt string, based on the frame data you would have to of escaped the combo and then press UPB. An option would be to SDI upwards and mash B to get out your UPB as soon as you escape.
Also, NAIR to LB CROSS SLASH can be a true combo and it was discussed a while back. I believe the first mention of it came form M2Ks cloud video which was released shortly after cloud "strorms into battle."
 

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A Mario/Doc main told me you can Up B out of it. I havent tried it yet.

This was mentioned earlier
but Void's Cloud has something I've not seen yet and have yet to hear from this board, neutral air to limit cross slash

it seems like a very good option, and according to him is a true combo

That's been mentioned almost everywhere, including the thread which is meant to tell people about Cloud's combos and followups.

Just like FH D-Air and Landing U-Air true combo into any aerial or special, including Finishing Touch. Which people keep saying they haven't heard it anywhere yet it's mentioned everywhere.
 
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Well dont I look like a fool

I had never seen it and I did check those threads so I must have missed it?

anyway, I mean Clim comes out pretty early and the Mario said to try it, so Im gonna next time I get caught in Mario's lunch money combo
 
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