Clanking

[Big_R]

to preface this I will say I was watchign the Axe vs Axe vid and when he starts jabbing and they clank it got me thinking...


How does it work? Does anyone know exactly?

Is it only moves that are the same strength?
Sometimes moves clank but one still wins.

Is it only when both moves are on the ground?

Will people get so good that they essentially start power shielding with moves instead of power shields?

Is it feasible for people to gain that kinda reaction time or would it be guess work?

Whatchu think?

 

[mers]

Aerials don't clank (maybe B moves but definitely nothing else).

I believe if the two ground moves that hit each other deal within 7% damage of each other, they clank. If the difference is greater, the stronger one wins.

Powershielding with moves is impractical because almost all moves are slower (all but 1-frame moves like shine), and you can act quicker out of a powershield than you can out of a clank. Powershielding is much easier and also better.

 

[MTKO]

If you want some more information on it, it's here: http://www.ssbwiki.com/Priority#Ground_attacks_and_projectiles

But otherwise I think Mers covered it.

 

[Roneblaster]

you can clank in the air cant you??

 

[finalcloud13]

No, you can't.

 

[Jonas]

That's why trades only happen in the air, not on the ground. The hitboxes just pass through each other in the air.

 

[Metal Reeper]

Not only b moves clank. I've clanked Dsmashes amillion times, jabs etc.

I am pretty sure its soley based on both moves priority and timing.
M2K has a formula of it.

 

[Strong Badam]

If the two hitboxes collide before either hitbox collides with the opponent's hurtbox, they can clank. They clank if the damage difference of the hitboxes is 7% or less, otherwise the more damaging hitbox wins out.
Clanks can only occur while both characters are on the ground.

 

[ryuu seika]

That's why trades only happen in the air, not on the ground.

Not true. Kirby's Fireball doesn't clank.

 

[JPOBS]

its pretty BS that foxs upsmash can clank with a shine. is there really only 7% difference between the two moves? i find that surprising.

 

[Bones0]

its pretty BS that foxs upsmash can clank with a shine. is there really only 7% difference between the two moves? i find that surprising.

Are you sure that isn't just the shine's frame of invincibility? I've been unharmed by attacks that deal much more percent than a shine just because they hit on the same frame.

 

[standardtoaster]

The clanking threshold is actually 9% not 7%.

 

[Bones0]

Smash Wiki says 8%. Someone should confirm and update it if it's wrong.

 

[MTKO]

Not true. Kirby's Fireball doesn't clank.

Hitboxes that have transcendent priority can not clash with other hitboxes. Kirby's dash attack has transcendent priority. There's a list of attacks on smash wiki that have transcendent priority.

 

[JPOBS]

Are you sure that isn't just the shine's frame of invincibility? I've been unharmed by attacks that deal much more percent than a shine just because they hit on the same frame.

possibly but there is an actually a clanking sound, and the same little circle thing that shows up.

idk why invincibility would confer those properties, so that leads me to believe its clanking

 

[standardtoaster]

Smash Wiki says 8%. Someone should confirm and update it if it's wrong.

I confirmed it with Magus before even posting that. Smash Wiki isn't all that reliable anyway.

 

[DualCats]

I didn't know Smash Wiki was even still a thing. O__O

 

[Metal Reeper]

Smashwiki really needs to get updated....we should get on that lol.

 

[Jonas]

Not true. Kirby's Fireball doesn't clank.

How does that in any way contradict what I said?

 

[MTKO]

Smashwiki really needs to get updated....we should get on that lol.

Definitely some more articles on techs that could be written as well.

 

[CloneHat]

possibly but there is an actually a clanking sound, and the same little circle thing that shows up.

idk why invincibility would confer those properties, so that leads me to believe its clanking

It's clanking. Invincibility doesn't make a sound.

 

[Zodiac]

Where is Magus?

 

[Tee ay eye]

****in magnets

 

[StretchNutz]

dude. Last night I clanked Luigi's fsmash against Sheik's usmash and it made the sound of two swords clanking. CONSPIRACY?

 

[Nicknyte]

Nah, u just dumb.

Cool you get Sheik practice though. I never get shiek practice.

 

[Kuro Neko]

Fox's shine clanks with like... anything. It's awesome

 

[-ACE-]

One time, as luigi, I predicted a marth fsmash and perfectly timed/spaced a tipper dair slightly above peak sh dair height (i ff dair'd from a fj) right where the tip of his sword would be, and I won the exchange clean. Both hitboxes were perfectly spaced as far as I could tell. I figured I would have lost and ate the tipper, which is what almost always happens lol. Vids or it didn't happen, I know I made a post in pakman's thread almost immediately lol, I was in shock.

inb4 Cool story bro

 

[Bones0]

One time, as luigi, I predicted a marth fsmash and perfectly timed/spaced a tipper dair slightly above peak sh dair height (i ff dair'd from a fj) right where the tip of his sword would be, and I won the exchange clean. Both hitboxes were perfectly spaced as far as I could tell. I figured I would have lost and ate the tipper, which is what almost always happens lol. Vids or it didn't happen, I know I made a post in pakman's thread almost immediately lol, I was in shock.

inb4 Cool story bro

Awesome anecdote sis.

 

[StretchNutz]

One time, as luigi, I predicted a marth fsmash and perfectly timed/spaced a tipper dair slightly above peak sh dair height (i ff dair'd from a fj) right where the tip of his sword would be, and I won the exchange clean. Both hitboxes were perfectly spaced as far as I could tell. I figured I would have lost and ate the tipper, which is what almost always happens lol. Vids or it didn't happen, I know I made a post in pakman's thread almost immediately lol, I was in shock.

inb4 Cool story bro

b'wait a sec. How did you win the exchange against a disjointed hitbox? cause "hitting" marth's sword doesn't actually "hit" marth I thought?

 

[Strong Badam]

his arm is extended forward during the fsmash animation though. a bit skeptic @ that story, but eh.

 

[-ACE-]

I would be skeptic too. But I'm convinced there is some hurtbox somewhere, at least at 1 frame, one particular part of his sword is less disjointed than the first frame of hitbox of luigis dair. I still don't know exactly how it happened, but I will say the tip of luigis foot during the hitbox of his dair is pretty disjointed, it just requires precise timing.

Lol bones.

 

[Bones0]

I've always hoped someone would find a low tier with an accidental hitbox programmed in so that you can hit people across the stage with 1 frame of a move. Like a YYG that is always there. >.>

 

[ryuu seika]

How does that in any way contradict what I said?

You claimed trades only happen in the air. I'm saying that Kirby's Fireball can trade on the ground just fine, no matter what the percentage of the opponent's move.

 

[Wobbles]

Clanks will happen when the hitboxes actually intersect. In rare ground cases where both players hitboxes crashes into another players hurtbox without touching the other's hitbox, you get a ground trade. Doesn't happen often because it requires wonky positioning.

And before you bring up Fox or Falco's forward+b clinks in mid-air, remember that the hitbox drags way behind Fox and Falco and I'm pretty sure it counts as a projectile or item or something.

 

[ryuu seika]

Clanks will happen when the hitboxes actually intersect. In rare ground cases where both players hitboxes crashes into another players hurtbox without touching the other's hitbox, you get a ground trade. Doesn't happen often because it requires wonky positioning.

Seems plausible but why does this ALWAYS happen with Kirby's Fireball?

 

[Strong Badam]

And before you bring up Fox or Falco's forward+b clinks in mid-air, remember that the hitbox drags way behind Fox and Falco and I'm pretty sure it counts as a projectile or item or something.

Indeed, their hitboxes are articles on those moves to prevent them randomly freezing in mid-air when they hit someone who's way behind you due to hitlag. Articles also do not follow standard clanking rules.

 

[MTKO]

Seems plausible but why does this ALWAYS happen with Kirby's Fireball?

Normal hitboxes go through transcendent ones. Kirby's dash attack has transcendent hit boxes

 

[Zoler]

Axe vs Axe vid

o.O link plz?

 

[Strong Badam]

Normal hitboxes go through transcendent ones. Kirby's dash attack has transcendent hit boxes

The Hurtbox Interaction section of Dash Attack's hitbox hex string is set to "some clank" as opposed to "All Clank" like most. This is why it doesn't clank.

Not sure if "transcendent" priority even exists in Melee.

 

[ryuu seika]

Thanks for the info. It's odd that "some clank" actually means "no clanking" though...