Chrono Trigger Mafia: Omni and Scamp Win! Adumbrodeus wins!

[Pierce7d]

OS didn't say who wanted to have a replacement, can we assume that ShadowLink may be this person?

Out of game info here, but I've read in the past that SL has on-going health issues. So a sudden drop out like this may be the reason.

If we're to assume SL isn't going to be here anymore, what do you suggest?

.joel said that it was he that was being replaced.

 

[Shaya]

Oh, I didn't see that.

Then not sure what's up with SL then, his potential excuse for not being here may be valid.

 

[Omni]

.joel is the one that was going to be replaced

 

[Omni]

i suggest moving on to our next candidates

mine was rajam

 

[Shaya]

I hope mine is obvious.

OS/Marc, for the sake of being official, mind prodding SL?

 

[Red Arremer]

OS didn't say it, but i did - i want to be the replacement.

 

[Red Arremer]

oh jeez, sorry, didn't see this thread moved on another page, lol

 

[Overswarm]

SL has requested a replacement prior to .joel, and is first on the list currently. I have yet to find a replacement.

 

[Red Arremer]

oh, alright. i didn't know that, sorry then.

guess i'll have to keep playing. <.<

 

[Pierce7d]

Yikes, what's with all this swapping out in the middle of Mafia games. This ain't pokemon.

 

[Scamp]

.Joel said that he wanted a replacement.

 

[Scamp]

Jeez my computer just ninja'd me by about 40 minutes.

 

[Pierce7d]

I really hate to drag on the off-topic but I literally LOLed @ Scamp

 

[EdreesesPieces]

how come you guys want to be replaced? i thought u were having fun

 

[adumbrodeus]

So we've got two people swapping out.... maybe we were too mean.



I can go for a Rajam lynch, he's still my number 2 suspect, even though I'd prefer DMG.

unvote
Vote: Rajam



@DMG, you're being extremely quiet, what are your thoughts on the current situation?

 

[Rajam]

As much as I'd rather not talk about flavor (though this isn't really flavor when it's said directly from the mod)...

"Heroes, search through time, find Lavos, and end it once and for all."

This strongly suggests that perhaps we can only kill Lavos when we are in the same time period as him or we need some kind of time event to happen before we're able to kill him.

chibo, every time period has Lavos in it

Show me where OS says that and in the contrary explain this:
"Heroes, search through time, find Lavos, and end it once and for all."

EBWOP

The reason being that if Mafia gets a bonus there (which most of you seem to suspect) then it would behoove us to explore this region while we are still many.

I imagine a set-up where town is reduced, and Mafia manipulates a vote into EoT. Since Mafia know of each other, they obviously have the strength of being coordinated, which can allow them to end a day with boost votes, as shown to me in the last game. Presuming that many of you are correct, and Mafia benefits more than town in EoT, then this could put us at LYLO, or game loss.

Now, an INTELLIGENT alternative WOULD BE to avoid EoT altogether. I'm hesitant to agree to completely avoid an entire timezone in the game for what I presume are obvious reasons. If we need to travel through time to defeat Lavos, then we may need to go to the EoT. However, it DOES make sense to avoid it if we feel it's harmful.

Also, consider this: Perhaps it's beneficial to town to visit EoT. Later in the game, Mafia would be able to prevent this far more easily. Going now is easy, since we are many, and can easily lynch someone who decides to break a tie the next day, since that would be quite obviously an anti-town option. Later in the game, this becomes less easy.

Later in the game, having a town unanimous vote to visit any of the time-zones we could regularly vote for would not really change. I strongly agree with Omni saying that it's a very good idea to argue about time zones as minimally as possible, because a united town agreement makes it easier to pick out Mafia.

Now, since Overswarm supposedly said that being stuck in the EoT was not meant to imply that all time travel would be locked (I didn't think it was, or I assure you, I would also want to avoid EoT at all costs), who now feels like traveling to the EoT is a good idea? Out of many options, it is the most variable, and truthfully strikes my curiosity the hardest.

Also, Are we in agreement that we are going to travel to ALL of the time periods (possibly excluding EoT) at least once, as soon as possible?

Pierce, I guess I can understand a little your desire to visit every period of time, based on what Chibo quoted from OS. You are now not in the top of my suspicious list (although you're not far from that yet).

Nonetheless, I don't know if someone else noticed this, but most likely we won't be able to visit every period of time. There are 6 of them: that means 5 town members dead at least, assuming the game doesn't end before (and hint: Assuming 3 Mafia members -Most likely there are 3 or 4- and also assuming Mafia kills only Town members every night, the only way to visit 5 different periods is to do not lynch anyone at least 3 days, and that's extremely hard since it's not needed a majority to lynch. Under these same assumptions, it's impossible to visit all 6 periods of time. I'm assuming different abilities don't change these facts) and with 5 town members dead, scum most likely will win. So, I insist even more, and with the little information we have by now, do not go to EoT, unless something in the future tell us we should.

 

[Rajam]

Sorry I noticed a mistake in my last post. It's possible to visit all periods of time. Again, let's assume there are 3 Mafia members. With a configuration like the next one, is possible:

Day 1, Period 1 (D1P1 for short): Mafia is lynched.
Member Count: Town 8, Mafia 2 (T8M2 for short)

N1P2: Town killed
MC: T7M2

D2P2: Mafia lynched
NC: T7M1

N2P3: Town killed
MC: T6M1

D3P3: Town lynched
MC: T5M1

N3P4: Town killed
MC: T4M1

D4P4: No one lynched (...)
MC: T4M1

N4P5: Town killed
MC: T3M1

D5P5: No one lynched
MC: T3M1

N5P6: Town killed
MC: T2M1

D6P6: Mafia lynched
MC: T2M0 -> Town wins!

So, it's possible to visit the 6 periods of time, but unlikely. Pretty much, by not lynching anyone at least twice is the only way to do that. And before anyone says anything: No, I'm not suggesting we should lynch no one some times. I'd prefer to lose some periods of time instead. Unless of course, something tell us Town can't really win if they don't visit every period of time (unlikely, since under those circumstances, Town would be at a huge disadvantage by default; We'd have an non-balanced game)

 

[EdreesesPieces]

How does knowing whether we can visit all 6 periods really help us at this point? It's kind of a waste of breath. (figuratively) We can decide what time periods are worth going to or not based on what happens after our first travel. Rather than focusing on potential scenarios, which was okay at the beginning of the day when we had nothing better to do, focus your efforts on detecting scum and increasing the chances for a town win.

This doesn't make me feel any better about you. You were my #1 suspect, but I'm not bailling my vote out on Shadowlink til he returns - getting a "replacement" could be a cop out to prevent him from getting lynched.

 

[Omni]

unvote
Vote: Rajam

Bandwagon, ahoy.

 

[Rajam]

So, are you voting by me because you think I'm not scumhunting, and instead posting distractions? I'm checking old posts looking for things to point out, whether they are scummy attitudes or things like what I posted earlier. I've been all the time suspicious of Pierce, and recently I'm suspicious of ShadowLink too because he is the person with the most flavor on his posts. Nonetheless, if we look to DMG, he is rather inactive; where as he also should be scumhunting in the end of this day, he is like hiding while our attention is focused on SL. Idk if he has more candidates to being scum, do you DMG?

vote: DMG

And I'm pointing out things as I'm finding them. I agree at this time, nothing proves or even suggests a certain period is better than other (besides EoT), so any period is ok I guess. But in the future, the best period to choose believing we'll be able to visit all of them can be different from the best period to choose given we'll most likely not be able to visit them all. This is not a late info for day 1, but instead a early one for day 2 and next ones. Also I prefered to put it now before I forget to do so.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I agree with Rajam here honestly, the more I look at DMG, the more overtly scummy he looks.


Almost ZERO activity (OVERSWARM has more posts on this thread), no scumhunting initiative AT ALL, posts lack substance of any sort, he threw out that SL vote as a straight-up bandwagon vote.


AND he dropped out of sight when the pressure was on, classic scum play, OS pulled it in DBZ mafia to avoid getting lynched when the mod essentially confirmed him as scum, and it WORKED (you can review the game if you want).


I dunno, at least Rajam seems to be trying, if he doesn't get substantial and we don't have a better target, we could lynch him tomorrow, but for now, he's right, scummiest in the game by far, and more useless then Rajam by far.

unvote
Vote: DMG

 

[Omni]

i guess if i think deep down inside i think i'd rather get rid of DMG as opposed to Rajam. at least Rajam has been participating more. DMG seems to be c

unvote
Vote: DMG

ill be gone for the evening and may have like one or two more chances to get on.

Travel: Pre-historic: 65,000,000,000 B.C.

i still dont understand your change of playstyle, rajam. something fishy is going on, but i cant really claim it to be scummy. just weird.

 

[Omni]

DMG seems to be coasting*

 

[Overswarm]

Lynch Votecount:
DMG (3): Rajam, adumbrodeus, Omni
Shadowlink (3): Pierce7d, DMG, EdreesesPieces
Shaya (1): Chibo
Adumbrodeus (1): .joel,

Time Votecount:
Middle Ages - 600 A.D. (1): Rajam
Future - 2300 A.D. (2): ShadowLink84, ChiboSempai
Pre-historic - 65,000,000,000 B.C. (5): EdreesesPieces, .joel, Pierce7D, Shaya, Omni

Day 1 ends on Wednesday, May 26th at 3:00 PM EST.
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

[Omni]

Overswarm, there's 5 votes for Pre-historic.

Hrm, what was DMG's reasoning to be on the Rajam wagon? Just for the sake of wagoning?

 

[Overswarm]

I did put 5 votes for Pre-historic o_o

 

[Omni]

It said 3 before the edit!

 

[Rajam]

? OS Who voted by me?

 

[Overswarm]

WTF is up with my votecounts this game? O_o

I've been copy/pastaing and ctrl+Xing and forgetting to just delete goofy stuff -_-;;

 

[EdreesesPieces]

I think we have a drunk mod. While you're ready to spill the beans, who is mafia?

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Also I completely agree with this bangwagon on DMG. He's been bugging me from the start - just never got a good feel for him. I also got a strong feeling he was bangwagoning just to prove he was doing something, when he didn't care. (his vote for Shadowlink) Rajam is making some sort of effort, even if he's up on my list now, I don't have enough reason to justify voting Rajam or Shadowlink over DMG. Still I don't like letitng Shadowlink off easy suddenly despite his lack of presence and response. For me it's between Shadowlink and DMG. Since it's a toss up I suppose I'll go with the bangwagon.

Unvote
Vote: DMG

 

[EdreesesPieces]

****, days over tomorrrow. We need to get our lynch done soon. This thread, I noticed, has a huge zone of inactivity in the evening (after 4pm PST) but the activity picks up around midnight, freakin night owls haha. So I think we should wrap up with 6 votes on someone soon...anyone on the DMG wagon?

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Disregard the post above. I just realized in this game, the person with the most votes is lynched if day ends. I forgot about that difference between this and FF6 mafia since FF6 BBR mafia was my first mafia game, I had to think twice about this rule.

 

[Omni]

Dmg, what's your claim

 

[DMG]

Been playing LoL. Here's my take on stuff:

1. I don't find anyone obviously scum, or even really that close to looking like Scum. This day is *probably* gonna end with someone non scum lynched based on these "tells" people see. You keep up the votes and you surely will see that when I face the noose.

2. At this point, if I say I find someone suspicious that the last 8 people have, I'm bandwagon-ing. If I pick someone else, people are gonna accuse me of trying to shift attention from the people town clearly believe are suspicious. Of course I have said what I thought earlier, and while time has passed, not much has really changed IMO.

3. Might as well vote for the time period.

Travel: Prehistoric (65,000,000)

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Nothing wrong with being accused of shifting attention. Who do you think is suspicious that hasn't been the "hot" candidates? (You, Rajam, Shadowlink, and to a certain extent Adumbrodeus and Chibo)

 

[DMG]

Joel before he asked to be replaced.

Scamp for being about as inactive as I have. That being the only reason I have for him.

To a lesser extent Omni and Pierce because I don't think the spotlight has been on them as much most of us. Most of it was argument over time travel/potential EoT theories and game strategies.

 

[Scamp]

LoL, huh? Maybe I'll play with you sometime after this is all over.

I'm not really inactive, I just have little tolerance for all this flavor BS. And when I try to settle it by saying "we should do this and stop talking about it" they agree on something else. But at least they stopped talking about it for the most part.

Anyway, as you are the most likely lynch candidate with little time left to go, you should claim your role.

 

[Rajam]

OS, Can we post in the twilight phase?
How much does twilight last?

 

[Overswarm]

OS, Can we post in the twilight phase?
How much does twilight last?

You may post during twilight.

Twilight begins when someone reaches lynch majority and/or the time limit for the Day runs out. It lasts until I post the lynch and say that Night has fallen.