Chatacters that can Approach

[PolishSmash]

What are the characters that can approach in today's meta game? Which can you be most aggressive with and play in the least gay way? For example, Falco would be a character that would be able to approach and Puff would be a character that you kinda have to play campy if you know what i mean (except Mango's Puff)

And I'm not trying to say the other characters are gay, don't get me wrong.

 

[Fuss]

Always angry bird.

 

[SamusPoop]

I think it's very match-up based. Like I think m2 could sb wavedash to tilt/grab much easier on someone who isn't retradedly fast, great projectile game, or that forces him to fight in the air(puff/peach).

 

[Varist]

ahhahahahaha what is this thread

hey i want to play mango's puff so i can approach.

rofl

 

[PolishSmash]

ahhahahahaha what is this thread

hey i want to play mango's puff so i can approach.

rofl

Um. No I didn't make this thread to play like Mango. I just wanted some opinions on my question because I want to try out some new characters that are very aggressive because I hate playing boring. So you have misunderstood me.

 

[Varist]

you misunderstood me too.

but it's nbd.

according to m2k, fox, falco, and pikachu are the best approachers or something

 

[PolishSmash]

you misunderstood me too.

but it's nbd.

according to m2k, fox, falco, and pikachu are the best approachers or something

Oh ok thanks, my friend already plays Pika so I don't really want to use him. What about Falcon? Can he actually play campy?

 

[SamusPoop]

Falcon should be able to movement campy most memebers of the cast very well and yeah falcon can be extremely campy.

really the thing about approaching is knowing when and when You can't and mix-ups or forcing up a specail(maybesheild/attack or whatever) defense is why falco and friends till to be good at approaching they have the mix-ups and means to pressure before and after. Really falco could approach without lasers still very well. Really he could even do the f-tilt wave back better than samus.

Also look into IHSB neat samus that makes You really understand You can play this game how ever You want

 

[Cleod]

Falcon's perhaps the most aggressive character I've met my eyes across, always leaping and landing hard powerful blows while moon walking at the same time. Any other character like Jiggly or Kirby has to play campy

 

[Deleted member]

most characters can approach well or run aggro on your *** all day, it's just easier to win by not doing that.

just makes the players good at it ****stomp you easier.

people overrate camping lately, attacking is good too for a lot of reasons.

 

[FrootLoop]

everybody can approach unless you mean which characters can do aerials into the center of shields and get away with it, in which case only a couple characters can

 

[t3h Icy]

Zelda can approach Mewtwo.

 

[Warhawk]

people overrate camping lately, attacking is good too for a lot of reasons.

I agree with this. I feel like camping too much can sometimes make you too predictable when you don't mix in some approaches.

 

[MasterShake]

Don't dismiss playing campy because you think it's boring...I get what you mean, and I'm being a huge hypocrite right now because I think being campy is ****ing gay, but it's super important to learn how to do it because people are bad at dealing with it and it makes it harder to read you.

 

[The Star King]

inb4Haxandhissubtlecharacterjohns

 

[CableCho57]

yeah i was thinking of hax's thread too haha

from what he says its fox, falco, and peach only (right?)

 

[The Star King]

Yes, because they're the only characters that can safely shield pressure. Because apparently you need safe shield pressure to approach. Or something. Never really paid much attention.

 

[Krynxe]

Does kicking someone's shield and then floating away count? :3

 

[SOLAR]

Peach is great at approaching. She just has to mix it up. Her dash attack comes quick, and float cancelled aerials work well for shield pressure. Turnips always aid in an approach.

 

[Beat!]

inb4Haxandhissubtlecharacterjohns

Idk about subtle, dude.

 

[leffen]

^somuchthat

listen to peefs podcast

"OMG FALCON HAS NO OPTIONS VS CROUCH CANCELING"
"PEACH BEATS EVERYTHING IN FRAME PERFECT WORLD WITH DASH ATTACK"<-not kidding, he literally said that falcon cannot do "anything" against it and if you punished (by shielding, jumping) it you were playing suboptimally so that didnt count
"FALCON CANNOT DO ANYTHING VS PEACH"
"TAJ BEAT ME ONLY ONLY BECAUSE HE GAYED ME OUT, I WOULDVE WON SO EASY IF HE HAD APPROACHED, OMG I WISH THE SET WAS UP ON YOUTUBE SO EVERYONE COULD SEE HOW I JUST GOT GAYED AND DIDNT DESERVE TO LOSE"

the sad part was that people actually agreed with him



all this iirc one week after him and Jman lost to VanZ

 

[Jim Morrison]

Fox Falco Peach the rest just can't approach.

 

[Jonas]

Every character can approach

but only Falco can just jump at your shield like he doesn't care.

 

[Warhawk]

Fox Falco Peach the rest just can't approach.

Pikachu can approach, he just has trouble sustaining pressure so its more of a hit and run style.

 

[S0FT]

If you know what your opponent is going to do then you can approach with every single character in the game...

 

[SamusPoop]

did peef try beating it out with random falcon kicks, dash dance, wavedash back, well spaced f-smash, CC grab(lower percent), or even sheilding?

But Really many times people think ahhh man I can't do anything here what if I did this and that and that this mixed with these and those? Really Just avoid being in that said case like yoshi without a jump or sheik getting a grab on You just understand sometimes You just flat out lose some battles in a match.

 

[t3h Icy]

The characters that can approach also change based on the match-up. Pichu can approach Kirby.

 

[Armada]

^somuchthat

listen to peefs podcast

"OMG FALCON HAS NO OPTIONS VS CROUCH CANCELING"
"PEACH BEATS EVERYTHING IN FRAME PERFECT WORLD WITH DASH ATTACK"<-not kidding, he literally said that falcon cannot do "anything" against it and if you punished (by shielding, jumping) it you were playing suboptimally so that didnt count
"FALCON CANNOT DO ANYTHING VS PEACH"
"TAJ BEAT ME ONLY ONLY BECAUSE HE GAYED ME OUT, I WOULDVE WON SO EASY IF HE HAD APPROACHED, OMG I WISH THE SET WAS UP ON YOUTUBE SO EVERYONE COULD SEE HOW I JUST GOT GAYED AND DIDNT DESERVE TO LOSE"

the sad part was that people actually agreed with him



all this iirc one week after him and Jman lost to VanZ

Yeah cause Peachs dash attack takes around 40 frames and THEN she can move again.
Falcon has no chance against Peach is in my ears A LOT oh johns sience Falcon actually has a good MU against her.

 

[Levingy]

I didn't understand why shielding peachs dash attack is playing suboptimally? If Falcon can shield-grab Peachs dash-attack, then reward for it is very big, especially in some percents where he can kill peach with knee after down-throw/up-throw. Maybe he ment that being in shield in general is not good position to be, but it's a different thing to bait peach to dash attack your shield, since the reward is so good.

 

[CloneHat]

The characters that can approach also change based on the match-up. Pichu can approach Kirby.

Pichu has to approach in pretty much all his matchups. His whole game is keeping the opponent off balance.

 

[Beat!]

He said "can", not "has to".

 

[Acryte]

yea peach's dash attack is really good but on shield its terrible for anyone with a decent oos option. Falcon could probably stomp/nair OoS but really his shield-grab game is a better option. Some characters can wait for the dash attack, so peach never wants to use it, aka free rest w/ jiggs.

 

[Aber]

Can we stop using the word "approach"? It's so so so so so wrong and is starting to get old

Edit: The game is far too intricate to be looked at that simply as in approach vs. Not approach

 

[GhllieShdeKnife]

that title need to be fixed

 

[Bones0]

Can we stop using the word "approach"? It's so so so so so wrong and is starting to get old

It really is funny how obsolete the word is becoming. With all the spacing mindgames going on, calling anything flat out approaching is really difficult. Most first hits I see are just a result of either:
1. One player taking up enough space that the player by the ledge is forced to hold their ground/counter-attack in order to deal with their opponent's impending "offensive" options. "OMG I'm cornered by the ledge by Marth! I better do something before he does such-and-such!"
2. One player sees (or at least thinks they see) an opening in their opponent's spacing that makes them vulnerable.

As long as a character can:
1. Threaten space (attacks and grabs), and
2. Move,
then there's no reason why they can't "approach."

 

[Hax]

Fox Falco and Peach do disgusting things to shields and should be forcing the opponent to shield when possible by approaching. Pikachu, while he doesn't **** shields, has a ridiculously safe nair that has good shieldstun/good hitbox/comes out very quickly. he can safely approach as well, it just isn't as simple as nairshinenairshinenairshinelololol or fcnairdsmashtrolololo

Sheiks/Marths are doing severe injustices to themselves by approaching. their jumps are too slow, their aerials don't threaten to do anything to shield/CC, and they generally (mostly because of their slow jumps) leave themselves extremely open if they whiff an aerial while moving towards the opponent

Jigglypuff can poke at shields very safely, but her ground game is so slow that she hardly threatens to grab you while she pressures you assuming her opponent has good reaction time.

Falcon has a great ground game but a terrible air game shield pressure-wise. knee and stomp are too slow vs today's top players; Falcon's air pressure game consists of nair/uair, which don't give him any frame advantage to mindgame with/grab the opponent during. if he manages to knee your shield, you're in trouble though

tl;dr a character needs good shield pressure from the air as well as the ground to get a lot out of approaching. if you only have good air pressure, you don't threaten to grab. if you only have good ground pressure, you don't threaten to have frame advantage which can be used to get grabs. Fox, Falco, Peach, and somewhat Pikachu are the only characters that get a lot out of approaching. other characters, for the most part, thrive off of frame traps/baits/punishing whiffs. M2K, who knows more than anybody about Melee, agrees wholeheartedly.

 

[Warhawk]

Other characters can still approach and still gain from approaching, there's just more risk. I feel like never approaching though has risks in itself.

 

[Varist]

wtf is a chatacter?

 

[Fuss]

wtf is a chatacter?

I was just thinkin' the same thing, but the answer is Falco.

 

[kalamazhu]

Fox Falco and Peach do disgusting things to shields and should be forcing the opponent to shield when possible by approaching. Pikachu, while he doesn't **** shields, has a ridiculously safe nair that has good shieldstun/good hitbox/comes out very quickly. he can safely approach as well, it just isn't as simple as nairshinenairshinenairshinelololol or fcnairdsmashtrolololo

Sheiks/Marths are doing severe injustices to themselves by approaching. their jumps are too slow, their aerials don't threaten to do anything to shield/CC, and they generally (mostly because of their slow jumps) leave themselves extremely open if they whiff an aerial while moving towards the opponent

Jigglypuff can poke at shields very safely, but her ground game is so slow that she hardly threatens to grab you while she pressures you assuming her opponent has good reaction time.

Falcon has a great ground game but a terrible air game shield pressure-wise. knee and stomp are too slow vs today's top players; Falcon's air pressure game consists of nair/uair, which don't give him any frame advantage to mindgame with/grab the opponent during. if he manages to knee your shield, you're in trouble though

tl;dr a character needs good shield pressure from the air as well as the ground to get a lot out of approaching. if you only have good air pressure, you don't threaten to grab. if you only have good ground pressure, you don't threaten to have frame advantage which can be used to get grabs. Fox, Falco, Peach, and somewhat Pikachu are the only characters that get a lot out of approaching. other characters, for the most part, thrive off of frame traps/baits/punishing whiffs. M2K, who knows more than anybody about Melee, agrees wholeheartedly.

ohh!!! so thats why u lose so much