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Don't forget dash attack -> tilt backwards ledgegrab, useful if you don't have running room
I think it's very good, but the loss in reward from getting the sourspot instead of the sweetspot is huge.
BAir sends at a shallower angle and usually isn't as stale as FAir if you tend to be a FAir-happy Zard (like I am), so I've personally gotten more mileage out of sweetspot BAir than FAir at that situation. Going for FAir gives you a lot more consistent rewards than BAir though, since sweetspot FAir is easier to land than RAR sweetspot BAir.
Glide camping is a little tricky, essentially you'll press down when you're hanging on the ledge to fast fall of the ledge. Almost immediately after press b and you should glide right parallel to the ledge. If you do it to fast, you'll just glide onstage or just fast fall because you pressed b too fast. If you do it to slow you'll end up a little below the ledge.
That combo though, looks like Zard's got some good stuff. It looks a little easier to hit with than the PM fair, but I'm not sure about he KBAnyone else curious about the Smash4 Fair?
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Is it any faster objectively than just jumping to waveland? If possible I'd say just check the frame data, and if it is faster, then by all means
I actually didn't know that about Nair, but in general, aiming for the backswing is a heck of a lot safer, even if you get a few extra frames from auto cancels. Because in the grand scheme of things it takes maybe 20 frames for an opponent to WD OOS and attack you (not sure if that's right somebody figured it out a while ago). The extra 10 frames you save might not do much in the ultimate scheme of things though it is worth exploring.
With regards to the Nair autocancel, I was implying that you hit with the last backswing rather than the startup, probably coulda worded it better. The autocancel might have its best use in retreating Nairs since the backswing reaches out a little further and can stuff advances. I'll explore ledgehop Flamethrower, as I've also gotten the hang of ledgehop Heat Wave, which I think you may have recommended earlier in this thread and I'm a big fan of. Would you think there could be any application to a B-reversed Flamethrower to catch opponents off guard as they approach and you retreat? Just a thought to tack on some extra % and maybe swing the momentum in a match. And thanks for the gimp advice, I was trying to use Heat Wave and Flamethrower offstage with varying success... Practice makes perfect though, lol.
If you want to play it safe, you can punish most tether recoveries by grabbing the edge and then edgehop FAir'ing when they land onto the stage. Otherwise, you can try edgehop BAir when you see them airdodge.
I've been doing the exact same thing, unless instead of edgehop Fair, I drop to glair, which seems to reach most tether characters who land onto the stage. Performing it to people who aren't aware of it can cause a fast KO to the opposite of the stage if their DI is bad. I find that way easy, and doesn't requires an exceptionnal reaction, just a bit of patience.
That's a good point, considering that Glair has more range and does more damage. Thanks for the tip.
It also is a bit faster, but you can miss out on some of the low percent follow ups that Fair can give you.
Also quick question.
Nah, no flamethrower, just a dash attack and then have my stick tilted to the left.
Wow, the more you know I guess :D
Dash attack for all characters (I think) except DK, Diddy, and Kirby have a strange property with ledges. If you dash attack at the ledge and keep holding forward, you'll fall off, hold nothing you'll stay on the ground, and hold backwards and you'll fall off facing the opposite direction (and probs grab the ledge unless you hold down or do and attack first or something).
Melee Ganon's dash attack sent him off the stage, but I don't think you were able to turn around and grab the edge from it.
Wavedash back -> FSmash is pretty good for punishing mis-spaced approaches and get-up attacks, but it requires you to read the opponent and you can't really set up for it. You can probably also DAir -> FSmash fastfallers if you don't want to combo them, but I'd only recommend this if they DI out such that you can get the fire hitbox.
The start-up animation lasts from frames 1-4 and has invincibility whereas hitbox comes out on frame 5.
Does it really have that?! Damn, I need to use UpB OOS more with Charizard now... with what little good it would do now that wifi is dead until I get my Wii Hacked. xD
