Character Discussion Thread

[BluePikmin11]

I'm not trying to say that they are only adding these characters for their retro appeal. I'm saying that they inadvertently fill that niche, which makes me wonder if we will see any more retro Nintendo characters.

Well there is the flaw right there Megaman and Pac-Man are not retro Nintendo characters.

 

[Phaazoid]

Well there is the flaw right there Megaman and Pac-Man are not retro Nintendo characters.

It's not a flaw. I didn't say that they were retro Nintendo characters. They are retro characters that appeared on Nintendo systems, so they still fill that niche. They fill in two areas of the Venn Diagram. The thing that remains unclear is how Sakurai sees that role as filled.

 

[Louie G.]

It's not like the game can't go on without a retro character.

They aren't as necessary as everyone thinks, really.

 

[Phaazoid]

It's not like the game can't go on without a retro character.

They aren't as necessary as everyone thinks, really.

I wasn't trying to say the spot was absolute. I'm just trying to follow a pattern from melee to Brawl. I know it isn't exact.

But we have gotten a retro rep as a starter each time around, Ice climbers, Pit, and now Mac. Makes you wonder if something is gonna follow G&W and ROB

 

[Gunla]

Charizard was revealed in Greninja's trailer, though.

I could see Pac-Man filling both roles. It's just hard to tell. Not enough info imo.

Apologies, I meant to say that Veterans can be revealed either way.
Newcomers are trailer-exclusives.

Yeah, we do need to know a bit more and maybe what's the situation with G&W to see where Pac fits in.

 

[Louie G.]

I wasn't trying to say the spot was absolute. I'm just trying to follow a pattern from melee to Brawl. I know it isn't exact.

But we have gotten a retro rep as a starter each time around, Ice climbers, Pit, and now Mac. Makes you wonder if something is gonna follow G&W and ROB

I was really talking to BluePikmin, but I'll bite.

I agree that it's probably Mac at this point (sadly; Takamaru and Mach would have been awesome, and I don't really consider Mac retro). Not sure if anything will follow in G&W and ROB's footsteps, however Wii Fit Trainer could possibly. She represents an important hardware in Nintendo history. Only problem is that she's a starter, but I doubt that means much.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

A retro character isn't that necessary.

There is no one that sticks out as one this time (except for Takamaru, but he doesn't seem that unique), and I think that they have enough retro characters in Smash for now.
We do live in the modern age of gaming, and we should celebrate that, instead of always living in the past.

 

[Spinosaurus]

But we have gotten a retro rep as a starter each time around, Ice climbers, Pit, and now Mac. Makes you wonder if something is gonna follow G&W and ROB

Wii Fit Trainer might as well be that since you could say she represents the Wii and its success as a whole.

Also agree that Mac is our retro character.

 

[Phaazoid]

I was really talking to BluePikmin, but I'll bite.

I agree that it's probably Mac at this point (sadly; Takamaru and Mach would have been awesome, and I don't really consider Mac retro). Not sure if anything will follow in G&W and ROB's footsteps, however Wii Fit Trainer could possibly. She represents an important hardware in Nintendo history. Only problem is that she's a starter, but I doubt that means much.

oh, lol. your post does make more sense reading it in response to his.

I agree with most of your points here. I agree, mach rider would have been really interesting, especially if he's always on his bike. I don't dislike Mac, but... he is a little boring, imo. A boxer in a fighting game. I won't complain, though.

I can also see Wii - Fit filling the ROB G&W spot, if you consider them hardware reps (which they technically are). but if you count them as retro reps, it gets a little harder. I agree that her being a starter doesn't mean much.

 

[BluePikmin11]

It's not like the game can't go on without a retro character.

They aren't as necessary as everyone thinks, really.

I know that, but I'm confident it will happen again. That statement can be pretty much applied every other newcomer anyways.

 

[Deleted member]

How is it arguable that Megaman and Pac-Man are retro? Those are the designs fans wanted.

"Those are the designs fans wanted" doesn't render my point invalid.
I wasn't talking about their designs.

 

[Louie G.]

I know that, but I'm confident it will happen again. That statement can be pretty much applied every other newcomer anyways.

Sure, the game can go on no matter what.

But the "retro" label is simply a pattern.
Like a new Star Fox character.
Like Mario having the most slots.
It's bound to be broken eventually.

 

[Deleted member]

You want a "retro" character?



I kid, I kid

 

[Autumn ♫]

I've always considered Little Mac our retro newcomer, and his character page on the website and his wireframe costume do help prove that point.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Good to know the topic of conversation I presented turned into a healthy debate.

I think there will be a lot of things we'll have to reconsider for the next Smash (God knows when that will be). Retro characters being a thing is one of them. I think it's definitely arguable at this point that it's a fan made theory based on Pit and Ice Climbers.

Of course, we need to remember that most things fan-made are bull****. That's an important thing to remember. Especially when our thoughts are based on things that simply have no backing.

 

[Rockaphin]

Pokemon never has had any spin off series, either...so there's no way that could happen O_o

There's actually been quite a few. Stadium, Snap, Hey You Pikachu, Colosseum, XD, some others on the Gamecube, Mystery Dungeon, Ranger, Conquest, Trozei, Farm, and many more. Why none of these ever received content in Smash is beyond me.

Seriously, the best forms of these 3rd parties are the retro designs, the ones that people remember the most, I do not think there is any intention to add them for adding more classic characters.

I actually prefer Megaman X over Classic Megaman. However, I agree that classic is more iconic.

 

[Croph]

You want a "retro" character?



I kid, I kid

While we're at it, let's give Falcon his SNES appearance as an alt costume!

There's actually been quite a few. Stadium, Snap, Hey You Pikachu, Colosseum, XD, some others on the Gamecube, Mystery Dungeon, Ranger, Conquest, Trozei, Farm, and many more. Why none of these ever received content in Smash is beyond me.

I'm really dissapointed that the Pokemon spin-off games get zero representation. I know the mainline games are big and all, but the franchise is so much more...

I could only think of the Zero-One and maybe that rockin' Meowth trophy in Melee as some spin-off representation (don't know if you'd count the Pokemon anime's influence as spin-off representation)... Heck, Pikachu can be represented by his own series at this point.

Some more Mario spin-off representation would be nice, espeically a stage, like Paper Mario or Mario Party (which I think a stage is long overdue). Oh well, there's always going to be some skewed series representation in Smash, even characters.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Personally, I would prefer that we get retro costumes for characters than get a buttload of them added.

So in essence, that Captain Falcon one is good, maybe a re-coloration of Peach from the NES era, maybe one for Link too...

Just some ideas. I like Retro characters, but I don't believe they are necessary for Smash to continue adding characters. I think there are some good retros left, but there's no reason to just add them for the sake of adding them in my opinion.

 

[Autumn ♫]

I think the only pattern that could possibly be safe is a new WTF character every game, and that's just because there will always be a character nobody expects to be in the game, such as WFT, Greninja, and Chorus Men. (If the leak turns out to be true)

 

[Deleted member]

So in essence, that Captain Falcon one is good, maybe a re-coloration of Peach from the NES era, maybe one for Link too...

Isn't Toon Link's brown-ish color a reference to Link's NES palette? Or are you saying you want Link to have that same color scheme as well?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Isn't Toon Link's brown-ish color a reference to Link's NES palette? Or are you saying you want Link to have that same color scheme as well?

Mainly for Big Link. I know Toon Link has it but I think Link could get away with having one as well.

 

[Louie G.]

So you guys have heard about the Smash Run bosses, right?

Well if you haven't, Kirbopher (creator of Brawl Taunts and a few other video game parodies) heard from a Nintendo rep at E3 that Kraid and an important Kremling would be a boss in Smash Run mode.

So it's leading me to some thinking...

Could K. Rool be the Kremling? Or someone like Klump or Krusha?
And does Kraid benefit Ridley, or hurt his chances?

 

[False Sense]

By the way, speaking of alternate costumes, we now know that Little Mac has two unique alternate costumes, wire frame Mac and pink sweater Mac. Along with Sakurai's comments about there being more hidden costumes, that would make extensive alternate costumes for other characters a much more feasible possibility, correct? So perhaps these retro costume ideas could become a reality.

Also, I would think this reveal kind of hurts Dark Pit's chances.

 

[TitanTeaTime]

So you guys have heard about the Smash Run bosses, right?

Well if you haven't, Kirbopher (creator of Brawl Taunts and a few other video game parodies) heard from a Nintendo rep at E3 that Kraid and an important Kremling would be a boss in Smash Run mode.

So it's leading me to some thinking...

Could K. Rool be the Kremling? Or someone like Klump or Krusha?
And does Kraid benefit Ridley, or hurt his chances?

K. Rool as a boss would be awful, though Kraid being a boss for the Metroid series kind of relieves Ridley of some of his problems since otherwise we'd get multiple bosses from the same franchise. Though I do have a bit of a theory - maybe these bosses in Smash Run are the "glorified stage hazards" we've seen before, and they make an appearance here because they can't be the glorified stage hazards on the Wii U stages? There is the possibility of the Yellow Devil becoming one of these Smash Run bosses too.
Just a theory though.

 

[False Sense]

So you guys have heard about the Smash Run bosses, right?

Well if you haven't, Kirbopher (creator of Brawl Taunts and a few other video game parodies) heard from a Nintendo rep at E3 that Kraid and an important Kremling would be a boss in Smash Run mode.

So it's leading me to some thinking...

Could K. Rool be the Kremling? Or someone like Klump or Krusha?
And does Kraid benefit Ridley, or hurt his chances?

It's possible K. Rool is the important Kremling. It would be awful, but it's certainly possible. Though it's also possible that the important Kremling really is just an important Kremling, and not K. Rool himself.

I would say that Kraid being a Smash Run boss helps Ridley, actually. I mean, Smash Run is on the 3DS version. Ridley presumably has no boss hazard role in that version, so I would think it would make sense for him to be a boss in Smash Run. After all, he is a rather important Metroid character. If he's going to a boss and not playable, they could at least have him appear in both versions of the game.

 

[Rockaphin]

I still have my hopes for Mach Rider.

So you guys have heard about the Smash Run bosses, right?

Well if you haven't, Kirbopher (creator of Brawl Taunts and a few other video game parodies) heard from a Nintendo rep at E3 that Kraid and an important Kremling would be a boss in Smash Run mode.

So it's leading me to some thinking...

Could K. Rool be the Kremling? Or someone like Klump or Krusha?
And does Kraid benefit Ridley, or hurt his chances?

I would guess that K. Rool would indeed be the boss, sadly. As much as I want him playable, at least a boss status is worthy for the king. I actually think this guy could possibly be the boss as well:

Spoiler

He would match perfectly, and doesn't play around.

Kraid would be a preftect boss choice! I'm loving the idea already.

 

[FinalStarmen]

I would just wait and see how this turns out.

 

[AncientTobacco]

Regarding the retro characters: Have you people forgotten Sakurai's statement again? The one where he pretty much confirms we'll get retros? Arguing about their "necessity" is pointless.

I actually think this guy could possibly be the boss as well:

Spoiler

He would match perfectly, and doesn't play around.

Yeah, Klubba was my first thought as well. Though this whole thing came out of nowhere, so I don't really know what to think.

I mean it's not even certain if the info is correct or not.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Sure, the game can go on no matter what.

But the "retro" label is simply a pattern.
Like a new Star Fox character.
Like Mario having the most slots.
It's bound to be broken eventually.

If Sakurai doesn't want to continue reviving franchises to give them the center of attention to people, then sure.

"Those are the designs fans wanted" doesn't render my point invalid.
I wasn't talking about their designs.

So you are arguing classic style of Pac-Man and Megaman? OK then.. but I'm still not completely understanding, because even if they are treated in that style, they are still "special guests", they have a different criteria from Nintendo characters.

By the way, speaking of alternate costumes, we now know that Little Mac has two unique alternate costumes, wire frame Mac and pink sweater Mac. Along with Sakurai's comments about there being more hidden costumes, that would make extensive alternate costumes for other characters a much more feasible possibility, correct? So perhaps these retro costume ideas could become a reality.

Also, I would think this reveal kind of hurts Dark Pit's chances.

Retro designs hurting Dark Pit's chances? No not really..
What would hurt his chances is if there was a character whom has an alternate costume of a different person such as Ness having an extensive Lucas alt. and Ninten alt.

 

[Zzuxon]

On the topic of Retros, I wouldn't be surprised if Sakurai thought of Pac-Man as this game's retro character.

 

[Arcanir]

So you guys have heard about the Smash Run bosses, right?

Well if you haven't, Kirbopher (creator of Brawl Taunts and a few other video game parodies) heard from a Nintendo rep at E3 that Kraid and an important Kremling would be a boss in Smash Run mode.

So it's leading me to some thinking...

Could K. Rool be the Kremling? Or someone like Klump or Krusha?
And does Kraid benefit Ridley, or hurt his chances?

It's definitely possible, though I'd think since King K. Rool is very popular he would've named him. Nonetheless, if it is him that will be very disappointing, so hopefully it's one of the others like Krusha.

As for Ridley, I can't say it really helps or hurts him.

 

[False Sense]

If Sakurai doesn't want to continue reviving franchises to give them the center of attention to people, then sure.


So you are arguing classic style of Pac-Man and Megaman? OK then.. but I'm still not completely understanding, because even if they are treated in that style, they are still "special guests", they have a different criteria from Nintendo characters.


Retro designs hurting Dark Pit's chances? No not really..
What would hurt his chances is if there was a character whom has an alternate costume of a different person such as Ness having an extensive Lucas alt. and Ninten alt.

No, not the idea of retro costumes. The fact that there are still more extensive alternate costumes in the game, and the fact that Sakurai said that there were numerous costumes not seen at E3 or the demo hurts Dark Pit's (already low) chances. That opens up the very real possibility that Dark Pit will just be a special alternate costume, which I think is by far the most likely outcome.

 

[Deleted member]

Retro designs? RETRO DESIGNS!? *cough*sonic*cough*... But, in all seriousness, the retro designs for Mega Man and Pac-Man were the best decisions in my opinion. They are easily more iconic. As for Sonic, uhh... Sakurai wants Sonic Adventure 3? Nah, it's probably because his classic design is too short. Though I would like an alt based on his classic design.

 

[Hotfeet444]

G'Afternoon, after hearing someone talk about wanting Splatoon in Smash Bros 4 (Which I think would be a fantastic idea as their movesets are basically already laid out for the) I decided to go ahead and draw this:

Unlike the likes of Roy, this is an idea I'd be more than willing to see.

 

[Rockaphin]

G'Afternoon, after hearing someone talk about wanting Splatoon in Smash Bros 4 (Which I think would be a fantastic idea as their movesets are basically already laid out for the) I decided to go ahead and draw this:

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Unlike the likes of Roy, this is an idea I'd be more than willing to see.

Wow, good job on the drawing. I wasn't interested in the game at first glance, but after watching some gameplay, it looks like it could be really fun playing with friends.

 

[ihskeyp]

G'Afternoon, after hearing someone talk about wanting Splatoon in Smash Bros 4 (Which I think would be a fantastic idea as their movesets are basically already laid out for the) I decided to go ahead and draw this:

View attachment 17379
Unlike the likes of Roy, this is an idea I'd be more than willing to see.

Great drawing! I'm very excited for Splatoon, I wish it was released earlier so that the inklings could have a better chance...

 

[False Sense]

G'Afternoon, after hearing someone talk about wanting Splatoon in Smash Bros 4 (Which I think would be a fantastic idea as their movesets are basically already laid out for the) I decided to go ahead and draw this:

View attachment 17379
Unlike the likes of Roy, this is an idea I'd be more than willing to see.

I'd say the Splatoon characters are pretty unlikely for this installment, but they could be excellent additions for Smash 5. I think their game/series needs to establish itself first, though.

 

[EbonyRubberWolf]

All right, Ebony, I've got no more to say than these fine people on the topic of Mewtwo, but I did report you for spamming a topic worse than Cliffjumper's "SEGA for sale" talks. So keep it up.


I. Dare. You.

El. Oh. El. Disagreeing with the hivemind = spamming a topic. Got it! I'll ask permission from now on just what it is I'm allowed to speak on or disagree with. Do we have a newsletter that helps us get our opinions straight? I need to subscribe to it then so I can think Ridley's playable just like the rest of the Ridley thread.

Hey, let's keep this on-topic, eh? It's Smash Run bosses, right? Am I allowed to wonder what do you think the boss of Pokemon Smash Run will be? I mean, I didn't get my newsletter, so I dunno if we've already agreed on a pokemon that'll be the boss. Lemme know so I can reinforce the echo chamber! Wouldn't want to cause a stir with some of my ideas..

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Franklly, as much as I'm into DLC, I personally think if Ridley and K.Rool end up as bosses in their respective roles (Wii U and 3DS) I think they're canned. They aren't going to drastically change things like that in my opinion.

However, on the flip side, if it's Krusha or something, that's good news for K.Rool. He'd still be a viable playable candidate, and it shows that Sakurai likes using the Kremlings.

Kraid simply has nothing to do with Ridley in my opinion.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Pokemon that SHOULD be a boss?

The moment I saw Giratina in Greninja's trailer, I was praying for a Distortion World stage where you can battle this guy, it would be just perfect...but nah, he's just a pokeball pokemon who launches dragon pulse at you...not even origin forme either.