Character Discussion Thread

[Spinosaurus]

Why are the Wario icons for these "leaks" always so half assed?

If both Mewtwo and K. Rool are excluded I will honestly be so disappointed. Might even hurt my overall enjoyment of the game, to be completely honest.

I'd say Mewtwo has a very decent chance. K.Rool...not so much.

 

[Tr1pleDee]

Meh, fake because of all the reused artwork. Looks like someone made a prediction/dream roster in photoshop, and then decided to take a picture at an angle and call ot a leak for the fun of it. It is nicely made though.

Although its fake I wouldn't be surprised at all if its the final roster (although its missing mewtwo).

 

[Deleted member]

Finally, a fake leak that calls them "Chorus Kids!" Either way, the organization really bothers me. Why is Ness not next to Shulk? Missed opportunity if I ever saw one... Other than that, wouldn't be surprised if this was the roster, but I'd be in the minority that would be okay with it. Would I like Mewtwo and Lucas? Sure. Can I live without them? Sure.

 

[TitanTeaTime]

Regardless of this being fake, it's boring anyway. I want to see more variety than everyone ****ing ever's predicted roster! like ridley and k. rool

 

[Deleted member]

Regardless of this being fake, it's boring anyway. I want to see more variety than everyone ****ing ever's predicted roster! like ridley and k. rool

This roster + Ridley + K. Rool + Mewtwo + Lucas = the best roster ever
or maybe it's because everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon of being right when this is revealed to be the roster.

 

[Louie G.]

Regardless of this being fake, it's boring anyway. I want to see more variety than everyone ****ing ever's predicted roster! like ridley and k. rool

For the record, people predict it for a reason.

I want K. Rool and Ridley as much as, if not more than the next guy, but I'm not going to set myself up for disappointment.

That roster needs more Mewtwo, however.

 

[Spinosaurus]

If it wasn't for the leak, this wouldn't really be such a safe roster at all.

Personally, I like it a lot. It does a great job to represent Nintendo's history with the new represented and popular IPs, with the only outlier being Palutena. This is good because it solidifies these new series' place in Smash, and celebrates the diversity of Nintendo's IPs and games, instead of just individual characters. It's only missing Mewtwo and Lucas, really.

 

[Kenith]

Finally, a fake leak that calls them "Chorus Kids!" Either way, the organization really bothers me. Why is Ness not next to Shulk? Missed opportunity if I ever saw one... Other than that, wouldn't be surprised if this was the roster, but I'd be in the minority that would be okay with it. Would I like Mewtwo and Lucas? Sure. Can I live without them? Sure.

I know we all know this is fake, but let's go over this again.

Captain Falcon, Falco, and Meta Knight art come from a Brawl mod (I have the art for Meta Knight)
Chrom's art is from a leak that was confirmed fake.
Wario is stock art.
Chorus Kids art is from their games.
Mr. Game & Watch art is from Pac-Man's reveal.

 

[Louie G.]

I think Mewtwo fits in there incredibly well, making it a 48 slot/50 character roster. I honestly consider Mewtwo the most famous non-Mario Nintendo character not included in Smash 4 (given that almost everyone from Brawl returns). He'a the most requested character worldwide and Sakurai has shown interest in his re-addition. Mewtwo is one of the safest bets for a slot on the roster IMO.

Lucas doesn't really have to be there. Ness represents Mother alright on his own (not completely, but if we're talking about representing Nintendo best then Mother really doesn't need two characters, being a really small niche series anyway), being a good representative of the three Mother protagonists anyway. Ness and Lucas are both kids growing up, facing the hardships of their lives by overcoming their fears and experiencing disturbing and life-changing events while they mature. Lucas can warrant a spot on the roster, but he's not extremely necessary to represent Mother in Smash.

And @ Spinosaurus , you were saying that Palutena is he outlier in the sense that she doesn't represent a new IP, right? Rosalina and Greninja don't really do that either.

I'd say that those three are great additions due to their representation of series growth. Rosalina is one of the main supporting characters in Super Mario Galaxy, perhaps the most critically acclaimed Mario title of all time that revolutionized both the Super Mario franchise and the platforming genre as a whole. Greninja represents Generation 6, which follows a pattern of Pokemon representation but means a little more than simple tradition. Pokemon X and Y are revolutionary Pokemon games, introducing new ways to battle, easier training, amazing new Pokemon, and walking diagonally. Gen. 6 obviously deserves to be represented now, but should be represented in future titles as well because of how much Pokemon has changed because of it. Palutena is a pretty tough one, but Kid Icarus Uprising was a pretty huge game. It was very successful, but it marked the first time that a series was reborn because of Super Smash Bros. Without Smash, Pit and Palutena would still be forgotten video game characters and Kid Icarus would be collecting dust in Nintendo's library of franchises. While Pit and Palutena work together to represent Kid Icarus's growth as a series (Pit with weapons, Palutena with powers), the main significance is that this is Super Smash Bros. Uprising is a huge success for Smash; SSB was 100% responsible for the game's existence and sales. Some may say that Kid Icarus is overrepresented as is, but given its significance and ties to Smash I can clearly see why there's so much content.

Wow I wrote more than I expected. So I guess those are my thoughts on series representation...

 

[False Sense]

For the record, people predict it for a reason.

I want K. Rool and Ridley as much as, if not more than the next guy, but I'm not going to set myself up for disappointment.

That roster needs more Mewtwo, however.

Isn't that technically setting yourself up for disappointment? There are no guarantees with this sort of thing, you know.

 

[Spinosaurus]

And @ Spinosaurus , you were saying that Palutena is he outlier in the sense that she doesn't represent a new IP, right? Rosalina and Greninja don't really do that either.

To me, Rosalina and Greninja represent the newer generation of their respective series, which are both huge. I don't get that impression with Palutena. There's also Chrom, but Fire Emblem is a series of games that are independent to each other, and Chrom represents the best selling game that managed to save the series, so I think he deserves in, since Awakening might as well be the most popular Fire Emblem game now (unfortunately lol)

Don't know. I love Uprising, but I don't think Palutena does it for me. She's always been my least favorite of the whole cast, and the fact her moveset and trailer seem so...uninteresting doesn't help either. I was really underwhelmed by her in every way.

 

[Louie G.]

Isn't that technically setting yourself up for disappointment? There are no guarantees with this sort of thing, you know.

I do find Mewtwo a lock for DLC if he's not on the immediate roster.

I'm probably getting him either way. There's just so much in his favor that I'd be surprised if he didn't make it in the immediate roster. Mewtwo won't let "slots" hold him down.

@ Spinosaurus
Palutena was a little underwhelming, but she happened to be my favorite KI character.
Uprising was a big game and represented both KI's rebirth and the effect that Smash can have on IPs.

 

[Weeman]

I still think the Mii fighters will either replace random when customizations are turned on, or have a separate slot from the roster that, once again, is toggled by the customization option. So a roster of 48 or 52 could be likely.

 

[Will]

I do find Mewtwo a lock for DLC if he's not on the immediate roster.

HOLD IT! Heh,Phoenix Wright.

There is still a lingering item I don't believe we discussed about on DLC character impact. All-Star Mode.
So that begs the question. If there are DLC characters,would that mean that you would have to buy them all just to unlock the mode itself,or would they just have to add-up to the mode? And I don't believe that would be possible,for All-Star mode's challengers had the original full roster pre-designed into the game. Classic mode could have an easier explination though,but we're not focused on that.

EDIT : I discussed this in another thread,and I was interested to read your responses.

 

[Louie G.]

All Star Mode goes on as usual. You can use DLC fighters in All Star but it is unlocked after getting everyone on the immediate roster and you only fight said roster, not DLC characters.

That solves the nonexistent problem.

 

[Will]

All Star Mode goes on as usual. You can use DLC fighters in All Star but it is unlocked after getting everyone on the immediate roster and you only fight said roster, not DLC characters.

That solves the nonexistent problem.

Fine?
We never got on about their character trophies,too. Same-ish problem. Specific number of trophies pre-designed and stuff.

 

[Louie G.]

Fine?
We never got on about their character trophies,too. Same-ish problem. Specific number of trophies pre-designed and stuff.

Their trophies are programmed into the game but can't be unlocked unless you buy the characters and beat certain modes with them.

Seriously, there are really simple solutions to these "problems".

 

[False Sense]

In regards to DLC characters, I'm more concerned with the issues of potential characters already having a role in the game. Like, what if an ideal character to be made DLC is already an Assist Trophy, or something like that? Does that mean those characters can never be added as DLC, or what?

 

[Kenith]

Their trophies are programmed into the game but can't be unlocked unless you buy the characters and beat certain modes with them.

Seriously, there are really simple solutions to these "problems".

Hm, disc-locked content...

People love that.

 

[Louie G.]

Hm, disc-locked content...

People love that.

Just because people don't like the prospect doesn't mean that they won't buy it or Nintendo won't do it.

I mean most DLC characters will probably have unfinished data in the game already. Just download a patch to add the finishing touches to the character and voila, DLC.

Lucas, Squirtle, Ivysaur...
I bet these three will be a part of our "Forbidden 7".

 

[Kenith]

Just because people don't like the prospect doesn't mean that they won't buy it or Nintendo won't do it.

I mean most DLC characters will probably have unfinished data in the game already. Just download a patch to add the finishing touches to the character and voila, DLC.

Lucas, Squirtle, Ivysaur...
I bet these three will be a part of our "Forbidden 7".

It doesn't make it a "simple solution" either.

Also, Lucas is cut? How can you be so certain? Honestly, I doubt they will have DLC characters at all, at least, not at first.
Certainly not as unfinished characters already on the disc.

 

[TitanTeaTime]

Just because people don't like the prospect doesn't mean that they won't buy it or Nintendo won't do it.

I mean most DLC characters will probably have unfinished data in the game already. Just download a patch to add the finishing touches to the character and voila, DLC.

Lucas, Squirtle, Ivysaur...
I bet these three will be a part of our "Forbidden 7".

This is Nintendo, not EA. Nintendo have always (to recent memory anyway) only released content that they wouldn't have been able to work on during production. They have quality checks! Those are things that happen.

 

[AncientTobacco]

Also, Lucas is cut? How can you be so certain?

Probably because the almighty Gematsu leak said that Lucas is "likely" to be cut.

 

[Louie G.]

It doesn't make it a "simple solution" either.

I don't see why not. We're definitely going to have some sort of Forbidden 7 and it would be smart to patch them up for DLC. If any of them are like Mewtwo in the past they'll be near complete anyway.

Also, Lucas is cut? How can you be so certain? Honestly, I doubt they will have DLC characters at all, at least, not at first. Certainly not as unfinished characters already on the disc.

I'm not so certain. I didn't say "Lucas is cut, deal with it." Not even Gematsu said that. I never really thought Lucas was coming back to begin with and now Gematsu gives me a reason to be vocal about it.
I know you don't believe Gematsu so I'd suggest you just don't respond to this part.

This is Nintendo, not EA. Nintendo have always (to recent memory anyway) only released content that they wouldn't have been able to work on during production. They have quality checks! Those are things that happen.

Mario Golf had "Season Passes" that allowed you to unlock characters and courses.
I'm pretty sure this was available from the release date onward.

Probably because the almighty Gematsu leak said that Lucas is "likely" to be cut.

I always found Lucas to be a likely cut but every jumped down my throat about because "NO CUTZ GUH HUH".
Cuts happen, and Lucas is one of the first to go.

 

[Kenith]

Mario Golf had "Season Passes" that allowed you to unlock characters and courses.
I'm pretty sure this was available from the release date onward.

This is Smash Bros, not Mario Golf.

I don't see why not. We're definitely going to have some sort of Forbidden 7 and it would be smart to patch them up for DLC. If any of them are like Mewtwo in the past they'll be near complete anyway.

What makes you so certain of that?

 

[AncientTobacco]

Sakurai has already stated that they're not even considering DLC until the game is finished, so I don't know why anyone would think we're going to have something ready on-disc.

 

[Louie G.]

What makes you so certain of that?

You make it sound like I'm speaking in absolutes.

If any of them are like Mewtwo in the past they'll be near complete anyway.

IF.
Mewtwo was near complete in Brawl. I was saying that if someone is as complete as Mewtwo was in Brawl, they'd be a great DLC candidate.

This is Smash Bros, not Mario Golf.

No, really?
But Nintendo is Nintendo. I wasn't saying that Mario Golf and Smash are that comparable. I'm just saying that Nintendo has done something like I am suggesting. Nintendo may love their fans, but like everyone else they love money too.

Sakurai has already stated that they're not even considering DLC until the game is finished, so I don't know why anyone would think we're going to have something ready on-disc.

Never said that. I said that unfinished characters could be used as DLC in the future.
They are already on the disc.

 

[Croph]

I've said this before in regards to Mewtwo, but I'd really love to hear other opinions on this:

I'd like to know exactly why Sakurai voluntarily came out of the audience and said, "We are thinking about it" when someone asked if Mewtwo's new Y form is going to be in Smash, in the Pokémon X/Y Roundtable. Greninja (and all the other fighters) was chosen at the start of development... this was in what, 2012? Why would Sakurai consider adding Mewtwo (or any fighter) a year+ after the roster was more or less finalized (the Roundtable was in June 2013)? Unless if Sakurai was hinting at implanting Mewtwo's Y form specifically (maybe as a FS), but then Sakurai indirectly confirmed Mewtwo... or if they are considering Mewtwo as DLC... I dunno.

Either way it's confusing unless Sakurai is flat out lying, and Mewtwo's not in.

 

[Louie G.]

@ Croph
I'm not positive what Sakurai meant, but he did specifically speak of Mewtwo's Y form.
So this could have definitely been an indirect confirmation stating that it was being considered as a Final Smash.
I dunno, I just hope Mewtwo is in.

I believe that Sakurai said DLC was not being planned at the time.

 

[Kenith]

You make it sound like I'm speaking in absolutes.

I don't see why not. We're definitely going to have some sort of Forbidden 7 and it would be smart to patch them up for DLC. If any of them are like Mewtwo in the past they'll be near complete anyway.

If that's not speaking in absolutes, I don't know what is.

 

[Louie G.]

If that's not speaking in absolutes, I don't know what is.

We're obviously going to have some characters that are planned but not on the final roster.
Sorry, I didn't know that's the sentence you meant.
But every Smash game has had characters left out due to technical limitations or time limitations.

I don't see why this one would be any different.

 

[AncientTobacco]

I've said this before in regards to Mewtwo, but I'd really love to hear other opinions on this:

Either way it's confusing unless Sakurai is flat out lying, and Mewtwo's not in.

The question was "Can you go into more detail on how Mewtwo changes forms, and would you like this new form to appear in the new Smash Bros.?".

So it was the new form specifically and it wasn't even explicitly about a playable appearance.

 

[Croph]

@ Croph
I'm not positive what Sakurai meant, but he did specifically speak of Mewtwo's Y form.
So this could have definitely been an indirect confirmation stating that it was being considered as a Final Smash.
I dunno, I just hope Mewtwo is in.

I believe that Sakurai said DLC was not being planned at the time.

Yeah, I think you're right about the DLC thing...

Watch Mewtwo gets added late in development, a la Sonic.

Mewtwo's intro headline: Mewtwo... Delays the Game!

The question was "Can you go into more detail on how Mewtwo changes forms, and would you like this new form to appear in the new Smash Bros.?".

So it was the new form specifically and it wasn't even explicitly about a playable appearance.

Right, then this would have indirectly confirmed Mewtwo, unless Sakurai's lying. It's strange that Sakurai just blurted, "We are thinking about it", to say the least.

Either way, if they are thinking about it, the Y form may or may not be his FS. Who knows really.

 

[Louie G.]

Yeah, I think you're right about the DLC thing...

Watch Mewtwo gets added late in development, a la Sonic.

Mewtwo's intro headline: Mewtwo... Delays the Game!

I would be okay with another delay if it meant Mewtwo is in the game.
I'm dead serious.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Oh goody. A hypothetical delay. Everyone loooves those.

 

[Deleted member]

I've always been skeptical of the "thinking about it," quote, but I guess I have no evidence that it didn't happen, so maybe I should just be quiet.

I would just hate it if the "thinking about it" didn't actually happen, Mewtwo didn't make it in, and you have a bunch of people wrongly calling Sakurai a liar for not including Mewtwo.

 

[Diddy Kong]

If there´s no Mewtwo this roster is a ****.

 

[Xenorange]

It's impossible to predict the final roster, you can try but I can almost guarantee you that this roster will not turn out the way everyone is predicting it to. It isn't guarenteed that we'll be getting 48 characters. I'm sick of people stating this as if it's a fact. I also highly doubt that the gematsu leak is all knowing and that the newcomers mentioned within the leak is all that we're getting. I have this funny feeling that all of you pessimistic nay sayers are going to be suprised when this game comes out. I can't wait to see it.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Were not getting the Gematsu leaked characters as the only newcomers, I'm sure we'll get secret newcomers for sure. We had R.O.B., Lucario, Toon Link, and Wolf as the secret characters in Brawl, I'm sure it will be the same for Smash 4.

 

[Hot Uncle Sparky]

Were not getting the Gematsu leaked characters as the only newcomers, I'm sure we'll get secret newcomers for sure. We had R.O.B., Lucario, Toon Link, and Wolf as the secret characters in Brawl, I'm sure it will be the same for Smash 4.

What if the remaining three newcomers are secret characters?