Character Discussion Thread

[Deleted member]

I think Palutena's Temple was excluded because it's overly large. It just wouldn't work for 2 minute free for alls.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I am surprised to see so much serious support for Dark Pit after Palutena's reveal trailer. Could someone tell me why he has a legitimate chance now? I thought the trailer indirectly disconfirmed him like it did with Tom Nook and Doc Louis.

He hasn't been deconfirmed in gameplay footage thus far. Dark Pit in the game for sure, but we don't know what role it will be. I'm just hoping Pittoo will be playable.

I think Palutena's Temple was excluded because it's overly large. It just wouldn't work for 2 minute free for alls.

Or maybe the stage wasn't complete with its stage hazards yet.

 

[Deleted member]

Or maybe the stage wasn't complete with its stage hazards yet.

That too. I think it's a combination of both.

 

[Second Power]

I think Palutena's Temple was excluded because it's overly large. It just wouldn't work for 2 minute free for alls.

Or maybe the stage wasn't complete with its stage hazards yet.

Both of those are plausible, I suppose. My money's still on boss though, so I guess we'll just wait and see.

 

[loganhogan]

Not so much a prediction, but more of a "Dream Roster":

What sucks, is knowing all too well that this will NEVER come true... ._.

Where did you get that picture of Bayonetta?

 

[False Sense]

Or maybe the stage wasn't complete with its stage hazards yet.

You mean like Mushroom Kingdom U?

 

[BluePikmin11]

You mean like Mushroom Kingdom U?

Yes, pretty much a good example on how they dealing with hazards right now.

 

[False Sense]

Yes, pretty much a good example on how they dealing with hazards right now.

Perhaps. Though the fact that the incomplete Mushroom Kingdom stage was used in the demo means that an incomplete hazard is not the reason that Palutena's Temple was excluded.

 

[queenrosetta]

Perhaps. Though the fact that the incomplete Mushroom Kingdom stage was used in the demo means that an incomplete hazard is not the reason that Palutena's Temple was excluded.

Wii fit level was also excluded. It really doesn't mean anything.

 

[Twin Shot]

Just want to point out that custom movesets won't be a factor on character cuts.

It wouldn't make sense to do it if the 3DS/WiiU versions have the same characters and the 3DS one doesn't have customizable movesets.

 

[Substitution]

Just want to point out that custom movesets won't be a factor on character cuts.

It wouldn't make sense to do it if the 3DS/WiiU versions have the same characters and the 3DS one doesn't have customizable movesets.

The 3DS does have customizable movesets though.

 

[jweb22]

My money still on boss for Palutena's Temple. I've noticed some similarities between his situation and Ridley's. Both Ridley and Dark Pit were teased to be in the game in some form. Theses teases came out of left field. Neither Pyrosphere nor Palutena's Temple were included in the demo, despite both already being revealed (Pyrosphere for a while).

I agree with you on him most likely being a Stage Boss/Hazard.

There are a few other possibilities:

1. The obvious possibility of him simply being a palette swap which would make sense as Pit was removed from the battle field in the trailer by Palutena and then at the end we see Dark Pit which could hint to the palette swap.

2. The only other possibility is that Sakurai was hinting at DLC characters as Palutena said that Dark Pit was there to "crash the party" which could mean that Sakurai is saying that a few characters will be crashing the party later on as DLC. A bit of a stretch but possible.

These last 2 options don't seem likely to me:

3. Dark Pit is simply an Assist Trophy which wouldn't make much sense. We've seen items used in previous trailers like the Star Wand and Boomerang. We've also seen Pokeballs get used as well so I would have to assume that if an Assist Trophy appeared in a non-gameplay trailer then there would be some sort of sign to show that it's an AT similar to how the Pokemon appeared in the Greninja reveal trailer but the playable Pokemon didn't come out of Pokeballs.

4. Dark Pit is a newcomer and will be on the initial roster (roster before possible DLC). This seems extremely unlikely as you'd think Sakurai would have had him officially revealed right then and there since it's a newcomer. It's not a situation like Mr. G&W where he's being used to reference gaming history.

So anyways like I said, I'm leaning more towards Stage Boss/Hazard but I wouldn't be surprised if he appears as a DLC playable characters.

 

[Genexican]

Where did you get that picture of Bayonetta?

Found it while looking through the roster maker thread. Can't recall the exact page number... But it's there.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

I understand that it is not necessarily the most practical notion; but perhaps it is because Snake is a veteran? I did not even read the leak, but many people conceive a hasty generalization fallacy when they assert their presumption that Sakurai would not "go through an arbitrary effort" to include him as a trophy. Either Snake is playable, or Snake is not in the game (this is called an either/or fallacy). I am sure that it is not nearly as difficult to license his model in a sequel... as a cameo... than it is to actually go through the effort of ensuring that he would be a full-fledged character with a move-set that satisfies Kojima. I just wanted to point out that despite the fact that your sentiment is seemingly "common-sense," it is utterly fallacious.

>believing this "leak"

>with not even any proof asides from "guys i got an email"

Come on guys. You can do better than that.

Come on.

 

[FlareHabanero]

>believing this "leak"

>with not even any proof asides from "guys i got an email"

Come on guys. You can do better than that.

Come on.

Welcome to The Official Character Discussion Thread.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Welcome to The Official Character Discussion Thread.

I think you mean "Welcome to SmashBoards"

Thanks though. I'll enjoy my stay here again. In-fact, this reminded me not to invest time in making logical points and just to shoot things down in here.

 

[BKupa666]

I think you mean "Welcome to SmashBoards"

Thanks though. I'll enjoy my stay here again. In-fact, this reminded me not to invest time in making logical points and just to shoot things down in here.

My logic is equally as sound as yours.

Wii Fit Trainer happened. Anything can happen. Brash the Bear is part of 'anything.' Brash the Bear is a lock.

You don't know that he's not a lock.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I think you mean "Welcome to SmashBoards"

Thanks though. I'll enjoy my stay here again. In-fact, this reminded me not to invest time in making logical points and just to shoot things down in here.

It's best to just ignore this place and hang around certain character threads.

By the way, I'm surprised you don't hang around the Greninja section.

 

[Phaazoid]

So this is my not as realistic but more hopeful take on the roster

I included the character cuts on the bottom

Blue = confirmed vets
Green = Confirmed newcomers
Yellow = Unconfirmed vets
Red = Hopeful newcomers

I'll be honest I don't expect this many characters, nor do I expect the remaining characters to be the ones that I want. In fact, I still hope the Sal leak is fake, because I don't care much for chorus men, chrom, or shulk, haha. But I'm working under the assumption that it's true until we get something going against it.

I cut squirt and ivy because 8 pokemon on the roster doesn't make much sense to me; although I will miss ivysaur in particular. Snake because I'm worried about third party status (I'd like him to return).
Lucas because I'm working under the Sal leak as a basis
And Random because he wasn't really a prominent character, and was only in brawl anyways, no one should miss him (I needed room for my custom robo)

So again, not saying I think this roster is super likely, but what do people think?

 

[Deleted member]

YOU CUT RANDOM?!

YOU MONSTER.

HE WAS EVEN IN THE DEMO, YOU CAN'T DO THIS!!

 

[Phaazoid]

YOU CUT RANDOM?!

YOU MONSTER.

HE WAS EVEN IN THE DEMO, YOU CAN'T DO THIS!!

He was dead weight. Desperate times, man. Desperate times.

 

[Deleted member]

I'll be honest I don't expect this many characters, nor do I expect the remaining characters to be the ones that I want. In fact, I still hope the Sal leak is fake, because I don't care much for chorus men, chrom, or shulk, haha. But I'm working under the assumption that it's true until we get something going against it.

Any particular reason for not caring about the remaining gematsu leak characters? Chrom I can understand because he would be another blue haired dude with a sword. However, Chorus would make a very unique rhythm based character representing a Nintendo franchise we have yet to see in Smash. While not very popular he would be very unique. Shulk on the other hand has recently become a VERY popular choice for a character in Smash, and even though he has a sword, would be very unique from the rest. I really like your roster as a whole, but just curious about those three.

 

[Phaazoid]

Any particular reason for not caring about the remaining gematsu leak characters? Chrom I can understand because he would be another blue haired dude with a sword. However, Chorus would make a very unique rhythm based character representing a Nintendo franchise we have yet to see in Smash. While not very popular he would be very unique. Shulk on the other hand has recently become a VERY popular choice for a character in Smash, and even though he has a sword, would be very unique from the rest. I really like your roster as a whole, but just curious about those three.

I've never played Xenoblade or Rhythm Heaven, no more, no less. Chrom is boring, yes, but from my personal perspective, I've played Awakening, so he's the new character that I want most of those three.

It's not that Shulk and Chorus men don't look cool, or original, or even fun to play as. It's that there are still plenty of characters from games that I have played that I want, that having these extra characters shoved in lower their chances.

I'll be happy with the roster no matter how it turns out, but of all my wanted characters, Ridley matters the most to me, if he's playable, I'll be significantly happier.

 

[Deleted member]

I've never played Xenoblade or Rhythm Heaven, no more, no less. Chrom is boring, yes, but from my personal perspective, I've played Awakening, so he's the new character that I want most of those three.

It's not that Shulk and Chorus men don't look cool, or original, or even fun to play as. It's that there are still plenty of characters from games that I have played that I want, that having these extra characters shoved in lower their chances.

I'll be happy with the roster no matter how it turns out, but of all my wanted characters, Ridley matters the most to me, if he's playable, I'll be significantly happier.

Alright, that makes sense. Though to be honest, I didn't really know what else to expect from your answer. Personally, I haven't played either of those games either, but conceptually, and from what I've seen from both Rhythm Heaven and Xenoblade, they both seem like characters with great potential. But I completely understand wanting other characters before them.

 

[Phaazoid]

Alright, that makes sense. Though to be honest, I didn't really know what else to expect from your answer. Personally, I haven't played either of those games either, but conceptually, and from what I've seen from both Rhythm Heaven and Xenoblade, they both seem like characters with great potential. But I completely understand wanting other characters before them.

Yeah, I'm not one of those people who spites random characters for no reason. I always make sure I have plenty of reason before I start spiting

 

[Thirdkoopa]

It's best to just ignore this place and hang around certain character threads.

By the way, I'm surprised you don't hang around the Greninja section.

i'll do so soon probably. I've been busy with life. Life can swamp me.

My logic is equally as sound as yours.

Wii Fit Trainer happened. Anything can happen. Brash the Bear is part of 'anything.' Brash the Bear is a lock.

You don't know that he's not a lock.

I heard if you enter the Contra Code on Fire Emblem: Awakening you can unlock Brash the Bear as a character, boss, and his curtain.

 

[Spinosaurus]

So apparently Youtube is gonna support 60fps soon.

This means the next newcomer trailer (if it's uploaded after its implementation) will be the best one by default.

 

[Deleted member]

So apparently Youtube is gonna support 60fps soon.

This means the next newcomer trailer (if it's uploaded after its implementation) will be the best one by default.

Hasn't Sakurai said character trailers will be view able in game? If that's the case, they will all be 60fps AND be reuploaded to Youtube by outside sources.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Hasn't Sakurai said character trailers will be view able in game? If that's the case, they will all be 60fps AND be reuploaded to Youtube by outside sources.

That's true. I meant for the mean time. Pretty annoying that each video is 30fps for now.

This is huge though. Smash 4 videos will finally look right, assuming the video uploader captures it at 60fps.

 

[domokl]

So if we do get mewtwo k rool and ridley in the intial roster then I wonder what villians we could get through potential dlc if newcomers are dlc.

 

[Autumn ♫]

So if we do get mewtwo k rool and ridley in the intial roster then I wonder what villians we could get through potential dlc if newcomers are dlc.

Vaati, assuming he's not already in the game.

 

[Rayquaza487]

>believing this "leak"

>with not even any proof asides from "guys i got an email"

Come on guys. You can do better than that.

Come on.

I hope you aren't referring to the Gematsu leak!

 

[Thirdkoopa]

I hope you aren't referring to the Gematsu leak!

I'm not.

 

[Pizzanigs]

If both Mewtwo and K. Rool are excluded I will honestly be so disappointed. Might even hurt my overall enjoyment of the game, to be completely honest.

 

[Rockaphin]

So if we do get mewtwo k rool and ridley in the intial roster then I wonder what villians we could get through potential dlc if newcomers are dlc.

I'm all for Medusa, Classic Ganon, Bowser Jr., Kamek, and Vaati.

 

[sbdipp]

 

[Rockaphin]

Three things I notice:

1. Ness is using that old "leaked" artwork.
2. Chrom's picture is from an old debunked leak.
3. Chorus Kids look terrifying. . . And Fake.

 

[EbonyRubberWolf]

Interesting, but calling fake due to Wario's costume not being his Warioware outfit. Everything else is conveniently covered or at such an angle/contrast to the point of uselessness.

 

[Deleted member]

Wario is using his render from Mario & Sonic at the Winter Olympic games

I recognize Captain Falcon's look, its from Taiko's Smash 3 Captain Falcon mod: http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=36346

Chrom's image is literally the same one from that leak where a dude was giving a bird

Falco's render is again from Taiko's Smash 3 mod: http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=202897

Meta Knight's render is....once again from Taiko's Smash 3 mod: http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=202819

Ness is using that old "Leaked" artwork as well as Jigglypuff

Obvious fake leak is obvious

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Yeah, tons of modified Brawl artwork being used for the unannounced veterans there, previously proven fake artwork for Chrom and Ness, and the Zelda franchise is horribly misaligned. There are tons of problems with this.