Character Discussion Thread

[Frostwraith]

"The final thing he said was Snake was gone, but a trophy of him would remain in the game."

This is what makes that Ronolab leak a load of bull****. Why would they go through the trouble of licensing Snake, only for him to make a cameo as a trophy? It doesn't make sense.

 

[Louie G.]

"The final thing he said was Snake was gone, but a trophy of him would remain in the game."

This is what makes that Ronolab leak a load of bull****. Why would they go through the trouble of licensing Snake, only for him to make a cameo as a trophy? It doesn't make sense.

I meant to mention that.

If Snake is in the game in any capacity, he is playable.
Otherwise there's no reason to get the rights to use Snake, which Sakurai has mentioned is very tough before.

 

[Xenorange]

This is My Dream​

 

[Morbi]

"The final thing he said was Snake was gone, but a trophy of him would remain in the game."

This is what makes that Ronolab leak a load of bull****. Why would they go through the trouble of licensing Snake, only for him to make a cameo as a trophy? It doesn't make sense.

I understand that it is not necessarily the most practical notion; but perhaps it is because Snake is a veteran? I did not even read the leak, but many people conceive a hasty generalization fallacy when they assert their presumption that Sakurai would not "go through an arbitrary effort" to include him as a trophy. Either Snake is playable, or Snake is not in the game (this is called an either/or fallacy). I am sure that it is not nearly as difficult to license his model in a sequel... as a cameo... than it is to actually go through the effort of ensuring that he would be a full-fledged character with a move-set that satisfies Kojima. I just wanted to point out that despite the fact that your sentiment is seemingly "common-sense," it is utterly fallacious.

 

[Phaazoid]

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swap knuckles for snake, sceptile for jiggly, and fit IC back in, and you got my dream roster.

But you hit Ridley/Ray/Isaac, which are the guys I wanna see, so I'd really like this roster. I just dislike the cuts.

 

[Frostwraith]

I understand that it is not necessarily the most practical notion; but perhaps it is because Snake is a veteran? I did not even read the leak, but many people conceive a hasty generalization fallacy when they assert their presumption that Sakurai would not "go through an arbitrary effort" to include him as a trophy. Either Snake is playable, or Snake is not in the game (this is called an either/or fallacy). I am sure that it is not nearly as difficult to license his model in a sequel... as a cameo... than it is to actually go through the effort of ensuring that he would be a full-fledged character with a move-set that satisfies Kojima. I just wanted to point out that despite the fact that your sentiment is seemingly "common-sense," it is utterly fallacious.

Right, they would go through the trouble of paying royalties, dealing with copyright stuff and all that bureaucracy just to include a collectible trophy that has no bearing on gameplay...

Sakurai has told how difficult it is to deal with third parties (and even Nintendo affiliated companies like The Pokémon Company) and he would go through the trouble of doing such a thing for a trophy out of hundreds of them? For a mere cameo? No, he wouldn't. It doesn't make any sense to do such a thing.

It doesn't make any sense from a business perspective either and it would only be criticized by anyone who's aware Snake is in Brawl. If Snake is not playable, no Metal Gear stuff will be featured in the game whatsoever.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I understand that it is not necessarily the most practical notion; but perhaps it is because Snake is a veteran? I did not even read the leak, but many people conceive a hasty generalization fallacy when they assert their presumption that Sakurai would not "go through an arbitrary effort" to include him as a trophy. Either Snake is playable, or Snake is not in the game (this is called an either/or fallacy). I am sure that it is not nearly as difficult to license his model in a sequel... as a cameo... than it is to actually go through the effort of ensuring that he would be a full-fledged character with a move-set that satisfies Kojima. I just wanted to point out that despite the fact that your sentiment is seemingly "common-sense," it is utterly fallacious.

Nope.

If somebody is going to go through the trouble to include a character like Snake, who has already been in Smash Bros as a playable character and is a high profile video game character, he is simply NOT going to just get a trophy in Smash Bros. It will never happen.

That's like saying instead of adding Mega Man, Sakurai would only contact Capcom to include a trophy of him. Huge slap in the face to the fans of the character, and a slap in the face to the people who own him. Especially, when we backtrack this to Snake, he's already friends with Kojima. So if he wanted to slap the fans, his friend and Konami as a company in the face at the same time, THEN he might make Snake a trophy. Otherwise, it would never, ever happen.

Third Party characters are to go hard, or to go home. It's not just a little bit.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Right, they would go through the trouble of paying royalties, dealing with copyright stuff and all that bureaucracy just to include a collectible trophy that has no bearing on gameplay...

Sakurai has told how difficult it is to deal with third parties (and even Nintendo affiliated companies like The Pokémon Company) and he would go through the trouble of doing such a thing for a trophy out of hundreds of them? For a mere cameo? No, he wouldn't. It doesn't make any sense to do such a thing.

It doesn't make any sense from a business perspective either and it would only be criticized by anyone who's aware Snake is in Brawl. If Snake is not playable, no Metal Gear stuff will be featured in the game whatsoever.

Not saying I believe it, but there's always Platinum Games and the Wonderful 101....

 

[Morbi]

swap knuckles for snake, sceptile for jiggly, and fit IC back in, and you got my dream roster.

But you hit Ridley/Ray/Isaac, which are the guys I wanna see, so I'd really like this roster. I just dislike the cuts.

Perhaps he should try to fit in Squirtle and Ivysaur as well. Those dastardly cuts!

Right, they would go through the trouble of paying royalties, dealing with copyright stuff and all that bureaucracy just to include a collectible trophy that has no bearing on gameplay...

Sakurai has told how difficult it is to deal with third parties (and even Nintendo affiliated companies like The Pokémon Company) and he would go through the trouble of doing such a thing for a trophy out of hundreds of them? For a mere cameo? No, he wouldn't. It doesn't make any sense to do such a thing.

It doesn't make any sense from a business perspective either and it would only be criticized by anyone who's aware Snake is in Brawl. If Snake is not playable, no Metal Gear stuff will be featured in the game whatsoever.

Unless you are aware of the specifics, your assertion is presumptuous. You can roll your eyes all you want, the main point is that your argument is fallacious. I have a logical reason to be hesitant. Aside from your either/or and hasty generalization it is basically a bandwagon appeal fallacy. They say those who commit the most logical fallacies lose the argument. But that is just a theory.

 

[Frostwraith]

Not saying I believe it, but there's always Platinum Games and the Wonderful 101....

Except that Wonderful 101 is (at least partially) owned by Nintendo.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Except that Wonderful 101 is (at least partially) owned by Nintendo.

to an extent, yes. But he still had to go to Platinum Games to ask, so that's (something).

 

[BluePikmin11]

Geno was just a puppet in one minigame in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga (A game Square Enix wasn't really a big part of), a very minor role just like Snake being a trophy in the leak.
I don't think it's really that farfetched. :L (There's probably holes behind this though)

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Geno was just a puppet in one minigame in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga (A game Square Enix wasn't really a big part of), a very minor role just like Snake being a trophy in the leak.
I don't think it's really that farfetched. :L (There's probably holes behind this though)

I believe it was because some of the people who worked on SMRPG also worked on M&L: SS. That's how they got the cameo with Geno.

Not to mention, Geno and Snake are two very different animals. Geno is an irrelevant 3rd party character from one game, whereas Snake is a protagonist of a major series in modern gaming (even spanning back to the NES). So that's hardly comparable.

Perhaps he should try to fit in Squirtle and Ivysaur as well. Those dastardly cuts!


Unless you are aware of the specifics, your assertion is presumptuous. You can roll your eyes all you want, the main point is that your argument is fallacious. I have a logical reason to be hesitant. Aside from your either/or and hasty generalization it is basically a bandwagon appeal fallacy. They say those who commit the most logical fallacies lose the argument. But that is just a theory.

Basically, you're saying that because Sakurai COULD make Snake a trophy, saying he wouldn't do that is wrong? That's like the most ridiculous excuse ever. That could win you any argument. "Oh, they'd never add Super Meat Boy". "NO, they could! That's fallacious"

Fact of the matter is, there are too many factors to even THINK he would do that with Snake. Why in the world would he do that? That would be by far the worst move he would have ever done. Cut Snake, then add him as a trophy to slap his fans, creator and company in the face. Nice move Sakurai. Now Konami would like Nintendo even less. Hooray!

Sure, the possibility may exist. But those possibilities are so negligible that this isn't even worth discussing.

That leak is fake anyway.

 

[Phaazoid]

Perhaps he should try to fit in Squirtle and Ivysaur as well. Those dastardly cuts!

I mean, if we're talking dream roster, I'd have like 50 pokemon, so I could fit them in, yeah.

 

[Xenorange]

swap knuckles for snake, sceptile for jiggly, and fit IC back in, and you got my dream roster.

But you hit Ridley/Ray/Isaac, which are the guys I wanna see, so I'd really like this roster. I just dislike the cuts.

I've wanted knux in smash since my conception and Sceptile is cooler than Jiggs ;D. I have a baseless hatred for the ice climbers.

 

[TORNADO BUS DRIVER]

Not saying I believe it, but there's always Platinum Games and the Wonderful 101....

meaning...

.....

 

[Phaazoid]

I've wanted knux in smash since my conception and Sceptile is cooler than Jiggs ;D. I have a baseless hatred for the ice climbers.

I do like knuckles, but if I had to pick a second sonic rep, it'd be chaos. He's too awesome imo.
and sceptile is a little more relevant than jiggs, sure, but jiggs has been around since 64, it'd feel wrong cutting one of the originals, imo.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Don't cut Puff. :[ I need my rest combos.

 

[Xenorange]

I do like knuckles, but if I had to pick a second sonic rep, it'd be chaos. He's too awesome imo.
and sceptile is a little more relevant than jiggs, sure, but jiggs has been around since 64, it'd feel wrong cutting one of the originals, imo.

Chaos would be great choice, he's a villain, he would bring a unique moveset to the table and he has an obvious final smash. I wouldn't mind them bringing Jiggs back again if they gave her some new moves. Her moveset has never really appealed to me and that's kind of why I want Sceptile in over her.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Eh, I think Eggman is probably the best 2nd rep. A character that uses mechs could bring so much to the table, and the only Nintendo character like that is Bowser Jr.

Not that it's happening . I do hope he's a boss though.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

Eh, I think Eggman is probably the best 2nd rep. A character that uses mechs could bring so much to the table, and the only Nintendo character like that is Bowser Jr.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Figured I forgot someone.

I'm on Team Bowser Jr, anyway.

 

[Phaazoid]

Chaos would be great choice, he's a villain, he would bring a unique moveset to the table and he has an obvious final smash. I wouldn't mind them bringing Jiggs back again if they gave her some new moves. Her moveset has never really appealed to me and that's kind of why I want Sceptile in over her.

She definitely has a different playstyle than most of the cast, but I feel the team's always done a good job of keeping her unique. I wouldn't want them to change her too much. Maybe buff her from brawl, haha.

Eh, I think Eggman is probably the best 2nd rep. A character that uses mechs could bring so much to the table, and the only Nintendo character like that is Bowser Jr.

Not that it's happening . I do hope he's a boss though.

Dr. Robotnik would make a pretty awesome character. I know there's no chance, but it'd be really cool to see him playable. Of course, if his CSS icon said Eggman I'd never unlock him.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Hit stun is pretty much the biggest buff you could give her...and Melee Rest.

Jigglypuff and Captain Falcon hate Brawl's mechanics.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Hit stun is pretty much the biggest buff you could give her...and Melee Rest.

Jigglypuff and Captain Falcon hate Brawl's mechanics.

Brawl's mechanics are just super awkward for Puff. In Melee part of her appeal was that she was so floaty, but when Brawl came around everyone else was suddenly floaty too. Then there was the hitstun nerf, the new air dodge, the Rest nerf, some really minor aerial nerfs, Brawl just wasn't good to Puff.

And don't even get me started on Falcon, I gave up on him the moment I found out the knee was nerfed.

 

[Gunla]

"The final thing he said was Snake was gone, but a trophy of him would remain in the game."

This is being taken seriously?
They wouldn't license him to have a cameo, that's just not how it works. Any leak that would say this kind of thing just needs to be thrown off the table.

It's either Snake with MGS content or absolutely nothing. No cameos if no playable Snake. If they get a third party, they'd go through the trouble to make him/her playable.

Jigglypuff and Captain Falcon hate Brawl's mechanics.

Well, seeing how Brawl this isn't, hopefully they'll both get some well needed retouches.
Melee Rest, Falco Melee Shine, and Melee Knee come to my mind when I think of brining back some older changes.
[And then there's Ganondorf!]

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

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It's nice that you want to see an extra Sonic character, but just remember that it's highly unlikely to happen. If you want to have a more legit choice for one though, the only extra sonic character that would actually happen is Tails. The rest can either be DLC or just plain old outta here.

Other than that, you might consider maybe cutting Pig Ganon and adding Krystal

 

[Rockaphin]

Has this roster leak been brought to anyone's attention yet?

Spoiler

To be completely honest with you, I din’t know a better place to post this. This place seems like a nice, roomy place to visit for smash players, and I don’t want to go for blow and post this on GameFAQs or Neoseeker. Now, before you leave a nasty reply or something, read this throughly. I have some information on the Smash games.

This information comes from a past email I wrote to Nintendo of America. I asked about 4 characters, which were Ridley, King K. Rool, Mewtwo, and Palutena. I asked for whereabouts and if they were playable. My response was from Kevin Anderson, a fine gentleman. He said the natural: In that the final lineups are not available yet. However, he did say he will document these files and share them with other departments at Nintendo.

Earlier this week, I got an email. The man’s screen name was Ronolab. He said he also worked at Nintendo, and he was one of the people who received the files of my email. He said a few things about not only the 4 character’s being somewhere, but about the other characters said to appear on the roster.

Ridley: He, unfortunately, is the stage boss of Pyrosphere. His attacks will include striking the opponent with his tail, as well as the Plasma Breath ability. The entire body is a hotbox, unlike the Yellow Devil, but hitting him in the mouth when and after he uses the Plasma Breath will do a tad bit more damage.

King K. Rool: Ronolab stated King K. Rool as an Assist Trophy that could be unlocked by clearing Classic Mode, which was returning, with both Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong. King K. Rool’s attacks are similar to how Saki had many abilities, but the ones he knows of include the crown toss, and firing cannonballs from the blunderbuss.

Mewtwo: The man said he was a returning character, in that he is not only requested by a solidified amount in the Japanese, but like he did with Little Mac, to please the western audience. Mewtwo has a slightly revamped moveset. His attacks returning from Melee include the Shadow Ball and Shadow Claw, but Aura Sphere would appear as his side special, and function similar to Crash Bomber in Mega Man’s arsenal.

Returning Fighters: Ronolab did not leak too much information on Returning Characters. He did reveal Jigglypuff was returning, and that one of her customizable moves includes a wider hotbox for rest, but much, much less damage. Game & Watch was also returning, and that his design from the Pac-Man trailer would be the final design for him in game. Ronolab said this would making a slight bit harder to hit for such a light character to balance it out. The final thing he said was Snake was gone, but a trophy of him would remain in the game.

Newcomers: Here is the big one. Ronolab leaked a total of 7 newcomers, and a tad bit about each of them. The first newcomer was Chrom from Fire Emblem: Awakening. Chrom would have a completely different move set from the other 2 charactes in the game, and that the only 2 moves he would keep was the chargeable Neutral Special, and the counter. He backed this to some extent with a Side Special: Dual Strike, and that it would with,well, 2 hits, each doing similar amounts of percentage. The second was Shulk from Xenoblade Chronicles. He would move similar to Ike and Link, in a sort of medium-slow manner. His Monaldo would be able to unleash powerful sword and magic attacks as well. The 3rd was one I did not expect: Karate Joe from the Rhythm Heaven series. He was selected of all of the plausible candidates because he seemed like he would fit best, being a fighter. The attack he said would be his Neutral Special, was the bomb, and that it would act a lot like the Burst Grenade. The 4th was Takamaru. His inclusion would represent the east well and due to the fact the game was recently released via Virtual Console, but only to Europe. His attacks include swinging his sword for generic standard abilities, but he could also throw knives and use the Tanooki in some way. The 5th was Dark Pit. He revealed that his trailer would be some of a continuation of the Palutena trailer, which would involve him dueling with her and plausibly Pit. His attacks would not be a clone though. His Silver Bow is completely different from Pits other than the fact it shoots arrows of solidified energy, but travels slower and has KO ability. He would also use the weapons from his battles in Uprising, such as the Dark Pit staff and Ogre Club. The 6th was The Bandanna Wearing Waddle Dee, or Bandanna Dee, from the Kirby series. His attacks include the obvious Spear Copter and stabbing multiple times, and he would be a sort of Glass Cannon. The 7th and final one was a choice I could not take seriously. The Mach Rider, seemingly, would be getting a reboot on the Wii U, titled Mach Rider U, simply, and he would join the game because of it. He would have a strange mechanic, in that he would pull out the bike for some attacks, such as the lasers. Off bike he would be a fast character who would rack up damage.

Now, I know this leak is credible to some extent, but take it with a grain of salt. I hold no credibility, but Ronolab could be correct. Gematsu was though. But let’s wait

It can be found here
http://ssb4dojo.com/post/89910219646/rumor-mill-ronolab-leak

But I doubt it all

I'll go ahead and say it, if Kid Icarus gets as many characters as it does games, I think that would be some extreme bullsh*t. And Dark Pit? Why not Medusa or Hades?
Yay for Mach Rider and Bandana Dee though. I hate this leak.

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Add Paper Mario, Toad, or Bowser Jr. and I think this would be a really good roster. I'd like to see Mach Rider and Bandana Dee as well.

 

[Deleted member]

Why are people even buying this thing? It's so ludicrously implausible there is no point discussing it except for laughing at it.

 

[Xenorange]

It's nice that you want to see an extra Sonic character, but just remember that it's highly unlikely to happen. If you want to have a more legit choice for one though, the only extra sonic character that would actually happen is Tails. The rest can either be DLC or just plain old outta here.

Other than that, you might consider maybe cutting Pig Ganon and adding Krystal

Haha, i'm aware of it's likelyhood, as i stated "This is My Dream". with that said, my dream of having a playable Knuckles will never die.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Haha, i'm aware of it's likelyhood, as i stated "This is My Dream". with that said, my dream of having a playable Knuckles will never die.

Yeah, just saying that just because it most likely ain't happening doesn't mean there's shame in wanting it. But on the other hand, I can easily see a change in the winds for a future title, so you never know what can happen.

 

[Xenorange]

As long as they don't use this Knuckles that is.
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[Gunla]

@ Xenorange
Please avoid posting gifs in this thread. It detracts from the thread itself.

 

[ShichibukaiJimbe]

Haha, i'm aware of it's likelyhood, as i stated "This is My Dream". with that said, my dream of having a playable Knuckles will never die.

They are talking about the fake leak

 

[Xenorange]

They are talking about the fake leak

Cool, I wasn't talking about the leak.

 

[AustarusIV]

I am surprised to see so much serious support for Dark Pit after Palutena's reveal trailer. Could someone tell me why he has a legitimate chance now? I thought the trailer indirectly disconfirmed him like it did with Tom Nook and Doc Louis.

 

[Deleted member]

I am surprised to see so much serious support for Dark Pit after Palutena's reveal trailer. Could someone tell me why he has a serious chance now? I thought the trailer indirectly disconfirmed him like it did with Tom Nook and Doc Louis.

I think the trailer confirms him...


...as a palette swap with separate voice clips.

 

[AustarusIV]

I think the trailer confirms him...


...as a palette swap with separate voice clips.

Makes sense to me.

 

[Joe D.]

Hey everyone, Reggie from Nintendo just e-mailed me and said that Transformations are back but only for the new Snake/ Bayonetta change. He also said that I was allowed to pick a new character and that waddle dee was the new announcer.

See this? This is every leak in a nutshell. Always starts with, "don't send hate," and then is followed by, "I received/ sent an e-mail," and is followed by the made up material. The Sal leak has been right so far, but we will never be 100% definite until that Japanese roster is shown, so settle down everyone. Not every leak should be as hyped as they are becoming.

 

[Second Power]

I think the trailer confirms him...


...as a palette swap with separate voice clips.

My money still on boss for Palutena's Temple. I've noticed some similarities between his situation and Ridley's. Both Ridley and Dark Pit were teased to be in the game in some form. Theses teases came out of left field. Neither Pyrosphere nor Palutena's Temple were included in the demo, despite both already being revealed (Pyrosphere for a while).