Character Discussion Thread

[Jason the Yoshi]

And how does that make them less credible? i mean i'm not happy with Lucas's situation right now either but saying they can't be trusted just because i don't like something they said would be rather bias.
Though i guess it would depend on how outdated that information is, since i really don't think they'll be still discussing the roster by now.

It's not just bias because I don't want anymore cuts, it just that there's really no reason to cut Lucas at this point.

 

[Louie G.]

It's not just bias because I don't want anymore cuts, it just that there's really no reason to cut Lucas at this point.

Mewtwo.

 

[RadRedi]

Spot the Rhythm Heaven cameo! Come on, it ain't hard.

Psh. You can't fool me. It's that cat box.

In all seriousness, I really wish that Rhythm Monkey would be the Rhythm Heaven character. Nothing against Chorus Men, but my bias still stands.

 

[Weeman]

It's not just bias because I don't want anymore cuts, it just that there's really no reason to cut Lucas at this point.

There was no reason to cut Mewtwo either, yet here we are.
Edit: Greninja'd

 

[AEMehr]

I know, but the main reason I don't trust Gematsu is because they predicted Lucas will be cut from the game.

Given that Ness was almost cut for Lucas in Melee and Brawl. I find the possibility of a MOTHER kid being cut, albeit ludicrous considering the inevitable backlash, entirely plausible. The entire existence of customizable movesets makes one's special moves easily applicable to the other one.

As sad to say as it is, Lucas has been doomed since the Smash Direct revealed custom movesets.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Mewtwo.

Honestly, I doubt that Sakurai will make a last minute decision that pushes more characters out of the roster again like he did to Brawl.

 

[Deleted member]

I will cling to my blissfully ignorant faith that Lucas is in the game until he is either shown as a trophy, assist, or the game comes out. LEAKS WILL NOT BREAK ME; ESPECIALLY GEMATSU'S VAGUE WORDING.

 

[Twin Shot]

Given that Ness was almost cut for Lucas in Melee and Brawl. I find the possibility of a MOTHER kid being cut, albeit ludicrous considering the inevitable backlash, entirely plausible. The entire existence of customizable movesets makes one's special moves easily applicable to the other one.

As sad to say as it is, Lucas has been doomed since the Smash Direct revealed custom movesets.

Link and Toon Link...?

 

[Spinosaurus]

Given that Ness was almost cut for Lucas in Melee and Brawl. I find the possibility of a MOTHER kid being cut, albeit ludicrous considering the inevitable backlash, entirely plausible. The entire existence of customizable movesets makes one's special moves easily applicable to the other one.

As sad to say as it is, Lucas has been doomed since the Smash Direct revealed custom movesets.

Ness was only considered to get cut for Lucas in Melee, but there's nothing to suggest the same for Brawl.

I think Ness having a significant role (or at least the same as Luigi) in SSE shows that he was planned to be in for sure, with Lucas. Considering that the last minute addition Sonic and the three low priority characters (Jigglypuff, TLink and Wolf) weren't in the main story in SSE, I think it's at least something to go with. Ness is also the first character you unlock, so there's that.

I can't wrap my head as to why they'd cut Lucas to be honest. He's left his mark in Smash, and he's different enough from Ness, so I don't see any reason for that, and yet the vague Gematsu leak is pretty worrying. *shrugs* Hopefully Mother stays with two characters.

 

[Weeman]

Given that Ness was almost cut for Lucas in Melee and Brawl. I find the possibility of a MOTHER kid being cut, albeit ludicrous considering the inevitable backlash, entirely plausible. The entire existence of customizable movesets makes one's special moves easily applicable to the other one.

As sad to say as it is, Lucas has been doomed since the Smash Direct revealed custom movesets.

So then Falco is also doomed, and so is Toon lin- wait a second!

 

[Autumn ♫]

I just don't believe in the Sal leak because of Chrom.
Obvious bias, I know.

 

[Weeman]

I just don't believe in the Sal leak because of Chrom.
Obvious bias, I know.

It lacks Shrek, so it's obviously wrong

 

[Deleted member]

It lacks Shrek, so it's obviously wrong

It also lacks Goku and Shadow.

 

[AEMehr]

I will cling to my blissfully ignorant faith that Lucas is in the game until he is either shown as a trophy, assist, or the game comes out. LEAKS WILL NOT BREAK ME; ESPECIALLY GEMATSU'S VAGUE WORDING.

Living dangerously.

Well let's hope they turned back on that then, I am not opposed to see Lucas make a return. Anything that may finally convince Nintendo to localize MOTHER 3 worldwide will help. I just fear that Lucas not returning after that MOTHER 3 joke during the Digital Event may enrage some fans.

Link and Toon Link...?

I can't exactly explain that because I am not Masahiro Sakurai. But I would imagine that Toon Link is much more marketable than Lucas is and is also a more popular character. There is also Sakurai's supposed belief that it is important to have a Child Link in Smash Bros. to keep the tradition of the young boy saving the Beautiful Princess motif. ...Or something along those lines.
Either way Sakurai thinks having a younger incarnation of Link is important for some reason.

Ness was only considered to get cut for Lucas in Melee, but there's nothing to suggest the same for Brawl.

I think Ness having a significant role (or at least the same as Luigi) in SSE shows that he was planned to be in for sure, with Lucas. Considering that the last minute addition Sonic and the three low priority characters (Jigglypuff, TLink and Wolf) weren't in the main story in SSE, I think it's at least something to go with. Ness is also the first character you unlock, so there's that.

I can't wrap my head as to why they'd cut Lucas to be honest. He's left his mark in Smash, and he's different enough from Ness, so I don't see any reason for that, and yet the vague Gematsu leak is pretty worrying. *shrugs* Hopefully Mother stays with two characters.

That is true, so I'll give you that.
Though I do remember some mention of a discussion of whether they should keep Ness or not early in Brawl's development.

 

[Deleted member]

Ironically, Lucas would be the only character that is from a Japan-exclusive title now....
Wonder if that would have anything to do with it?

Sakurai did state there is difficulty in incorporating characters from games only released in Japan due to Smash being worldwide back in Brawl's development...

 

[Deleted member]

Living dangerously.

Well let's hope they turned back on that then, I am not opposed to see Lucas make a return. Anything that may finally convince Nintendo to localize MOTHER 3 worldwide will help. I just fear that Lucas not returning after that MOTHER 3 joke during the Digital Event may enrage some fans.

I can't exactly explain that because I am not Masahiro Sakurai. But I would imagine that Toon Link is much more marketable than Lucas is and is also a more popular character. There is also Sakurai's supposed belief that is important to have a Child Link in Smash Bros. to keep the tradition of the young boy saving the Beautiful Princess motif. ...Or something along those lines.
Either way Sakurai thinks having a younger incarnation of Link is important for some reason.

Even if he is cut, I'll still have him in Brawl. C'mon, sing with me! "I believe the morning sun, always gonna shine again and..."

Yeah, I heard somewhere that Sakurai really likes the idea of an adult Link and a child Link in Smash. I can't source it, so I could be wrong.

 

[Morbi]

There was no reason to cut Mewtwo either, yet here we are.
Edit: Greninja'd

There was a reason; we are just not aware of the reason, albeit we have some presumptions pertaining to the matter.

 

[AEMehr]

So then Falco is also doomed, and so is Toon lin- wait a second!

I've mentioned Toon Link.

Falco is in a similar boat to Toon Link, the character is more marketable and popular than Lucas (but less than Toon Link is). He's also one of the most played characters in the Smash community thanks to Melee.
He's not going anywhere.

 

[Deleted member]

There was a reason; we are just not aware of the reason, albeit we have some presumptions pertaining to the matter.

Most assume it was because of Sanic, but this has never been confirmed. I like to blame it on Sonic, because I personally don't care for him that much, but maybe I should give him a break.

 

[TitanTeaTime]

Ironically, Lucas would be the only character that is from a Japan-exclusive title now....
Wonder if that would have anything to do with it?

Sakurai did state there is difficulty in incorporating characters from games only released in Japan due to Smash being worldwide back in Brawl's development...

To be honest, I actually want more Japan-only characters to get into Smash so that more franchises can get known and maybe even localized. It happened to Fire Emblem, why not to Captain Rainbow or something?

 

[Weeman]

I've mentioned Toon Link.

Falco is in a similar boat to Toon Link, the character is more marketable and popular than Lucas (but less than Toon Link is). He's also one of the most played characters in the Smash community thanks to Melee.
He's not going anywhere.

But my point is that if Lucas is cut, it will certainly not be because of custom movesets.

 

[Morbi]

I've mentioned Toon Link.

Falco is in a similar boat to Toon Link, the character is more marketable and popular than Lucas (but less than Toon Link is). He's also one of the most played characters in the Smash community thanks to Melee.
He's not going anywhere.

I feel as though they are asserting that potential redundant move-set customization, an optional feature, is not enough to justify removing a character regardless of their marketability (which is irrelevant as once you are a Smash Bro, you are an all-star).

 

[Deleted member]

Ironically, Lucas would be the only character that is from a Japan-exclusive title now....
Wonder if that would have anything to do with it?

Sakurai did state there is difficulty in incorporating characters from games only released in Japan due to Smash being worldwide back in Brawl's development...

Good think Shulk isn't Japan only. :whoop:

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

First thing I'd like to get off my chest is...you should PROBABLY get used to the Sal leak. It's basically all but confirmed at this point.

Secondly, if Lucas is cut, I can totally see him coming back as DLC. He's a perfect choice.

 

[Deleted member]

To be honest, I actually want more Japan-only characters to get into Smash so that more franchises can get known and maybe even localized. It happened to Fire Emblem, why not to Captain Rainbow or something?

Fire Emblem was a moderately successful franchise in Japan prior to Melee. Captain Rainbow is a single game that bombed in Japan on a now irrelevant system.
Pretty sure Smash would not help Captain Rainbow get localized.

 

[TitanTeaTime]

Fire Emblem was a moderately successful franchise in Japan prior to Melee. Captain Rainbow is a single game that bombed in Japan on a now irrelevant system.
Pretty sure Smash would not help Captain Rainbow get localized.

Well it was the only thing I could think of at that time, I'm sure there's a better, more obscure example over here but more successful in Japan but I can't think of any.
which means that if Sakurai could pull it off it'd be even better!

 

[Autumn ♫]

First thing I'd like to get off my chest is...you should PROBABLY get used to the Sal leak. It's basically all but confirmed at this point.

Secondly, if Lucas is cut, I can totally see him coming back as DLC. He's a perfect choice.

I already am. I love the idea of the Chorus Men, I just hate the idea of Chrom, so I'll just act like he heard a description of the character and mistake Lucina for Chrom.

 

[AEMehr]

But my point is that if Lucas is cut, it will certainly not be because of custom movesets.

I feel as though they are asserting that potential redundant move-set customization, an optional feature, is not enough to justify removing a character regardless of their marketability (which is irrelevant as once you are a Smash Bro, you are an all-star).

Well it's not the main one, but it is a large enough reason for being cut from the initial roster if you'd ask me. The development team may not be working on something like the Subspace Emissary, but they still need this game out this year. Since we only know about three aspects of the Wii U version (Vs Mode, Online Mode, and Customizable Movesets) and many are beginning to come to light on the 3DS version (Home Run Contest, Classic Mode, Trophy Rush, Balloon Fight, Smash Run, etc.) we know that something of a similar caliber must be on the Wii U version as well. And I highly doubt they're all just ports of the 3DS stuff. At the end of the day, Lucas would have probably been cut because he's lower priority and time constraints eventually came into play. I would imagine that the custom moveset aspect of the games would assist them in thinking that cutting Lucas would be "Okay" if some remnants of his moveset moved to Ness.

Secondly, if Lucas is cut, I can totally see him coming back as DLC. He's a perfect choice.

Yes yes please. I would love a "Smash from the Past!" DLC pack with cut vets. That would be some good stuff.

 

[Spinosaurus]

There was a reason; we are just not aware of the reason, albeit we have some presumptions pertaining to the matter.

Pretty sure Sonic was the reason.

Still interesting they axed Mewtwo out of all veterans for him.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Yes yes please. I would love a "Smash from the Past!" DLC pack with cut vets. That would be some good stuff.

I agree, this would be the best thing ever, especially since it's kinda the fans fault that Mewtwo and Roy were pushed out, because everybody wanted Sonic in the game.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Fire Emblem was a moderately successful franchise in Japan prior to Melee. Captain Rainbow is a single game that bombed in Japan on a now irrelevant system.
Pretty sure Smash would not help Captain Rainbow get localized.

Also, wasn't Advance Wars' success the reason why Fire Emblem was localized? Intelligent System said they were afraid the west wouldn't like turn-based strategy games, but the success of Advance Wars, which was designed as an introduction to the genre, changed their mind.

I guess Smash was another factor, but I'm pretty sure Advance Wars is the biggest reason.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Pretty sure Sonic was the reason.

Still interesting they axed Mewtwo out of all veterans for him.

If I remember hearing this right is that Mewtwo's coding clashed with Lucario's and made the battles lagy when they were both on screen at the same time.
But only when it was Lucario vs. Lucario vs. Mewtwo vs. Mewtwo.
Seems like a crappy reason for him to be cut and I don't think that's even true I just heard it somewhere and thought I'd bring it up.

 

[Deleted member]

Also, wasn't Advance Wars' success the reason why Fire Emblem was localized? Intelligent System said they were afraid the west wouldn't like turn-based strategy games, but the success of Advance Wars, which was designed as an introduction to the genre, changed their mind.

I guess Smash was another factor, but I'm pretty sure Advance Wars is the biggest reason.

There is no source that lists Advance Wars as an influence. Only Smash.

 

[FlareHabanero]

If I remember hearing this right is that Mewtwo's coding clashed with Lucario's and made the battles lagy when they were both on screen at the same time.
But only when it was Lucario vs. Lucario vs. Mewtwo vs. Mewtwo.
Seems like a crappy reason for him to be cut and I don't think that's even true I just heard it somewhere and thought I'd bring it up.

I think you're thinking of Project M, where Mewtwo, Roy, and the alternate costumes caused lag when too many things are on screen at a time.

That problem has been fixed as of version 3.01.

 

[Zhadgon]

Why cant we have a Wars character it could be Andy/Max/Samy/Nell any of those four will be perfect for the roster and they could have a unique and great movepool potential.

.n_n.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I think you're thinking of Project M, where Mewtwo, Roy, and the alternate costumes caused lag when too many things are on screen at a time.

That problem has been fixed as of version 3.01.

I'm not saying it's true but I remember as soon as brawl released someone said something about Lucario borrowing Mewtwo's code or some kind of crap.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I'm not saying it's true but I remember as soon as brawl released someone said something about Lucario borrowing Mewtwo's code or some kind of crap.

Pure fan gunk that holds no bearing.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Ironically, Lucas would be the only character that is from a Japan-exclusive title now....
Wonder if that would have anything to do with it?

Sakurai did state there is difficulty in incorporating characters from games only released in Japan due to Smash being worldwide back in Brawl's development...

i've thought about it but i'm not too sure if it's just that or if that has much

 

[Deleted member]

i've thought about it but i'm not too sure if it's just that or if that has much

Much what? Much what?!
*Tune in next time on Dragon Ball Z!*


EDIT: ....yeah that was too much spam, even for me.
But on serious note, it could just be one of many factors.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Mewtwo.

As much as I like Mewtwo, cutting another character for him is just... Stupid imo. Especially a character easy to make.

Might just be me, but I dn't agree with the concept of "cut this character for Mewtwo!"

That just seems greedy.