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See I just thought of this now, but when do you guys think the roster was finalized? If it was finalized right when Kid Icarus came out, then Chrom would have first appeared after the roster was finalized. Wouldn't that give Lyn and Micaiah a better chance then an Awakening Rep?
The Kanto Trainer is also gone. Therefore. you are wrong.
Certainly not when KI:U came out. Probably some time in late 2012.
No. That didn't affect Roy. Hell, the Brawl roster was finalized around the same time that PoR was released.
I understand that it didn't effect Roy, but look what happened to him, he didn't make it to the next game. Also could you give me a date on when we think Brawl's roster was finalized? I don't doubt you but I'm curious.
Well yeah, but Roy was a clone, as was Dr. Mario and Pichu, its not that weird.
That too, showing that he was just kind of put in there to be in there. Now I think Sakurai cares more about popularity, and if Chrom's popularity wasn't able to be measured, I don't think he would be added.
If you don´t think WFT and Rosalina are characters out of the curve then I don´t know what characters you are expect to receive in this installment.
****ing ew. We have enough as is. You're crazy.Ment 6 unrepresented series newcomers, you know, characters like Isaac and Shulk.
Ok that's three months after PoR came out. So if it was finalized at the end of 2012 I guess that would have been enough time to select him. I was just curious too see if there was a possibility that Chrom wasn't even considered.
When they announced Rosalina, I wasn't that surprised.
Even if the roster was decided on prior to Awakening's release, I doubt that an Awakening character wouldn't have been a possibility that Sakurai didn't consider.
Really maybe for you but most of the people didn't expect her before Bowser Jr., Waluigi, Toad or Paper Mario.
would have to disagree with that. F-Zero is the most classic Nintendo franchise after the original 10, Pikmin, and Animal Crossing.
That may be your opinion, but I'd like to get as close to Sakurai's opinion as I can. And he DOES care about how many characters some franchises have. He's added characters partly because of that reason.
I didn't mean it was essential. As you know, the term "need" is used very loosely on this thread. The only time it's taken literally is when it's a character or franchise we don't agree should have another character.I honestly don't think F-Zero "needs" more characters, other than Falcon's return. And this is coming from a Goroh supporter. Heck, it's coming from the guy who made the Goroh thread!
In no particular order: Issac, Fossil Fighter, Shulk, Dilion, Pac-Man and Takamaru.
I still feel newcomer semi-clones can, and are failry likely to, happen.
Dixie still has a reasonably good chance. That said, K. Rool was always more likelier than her.
I'm still utterly shocked that Paper Mario was not the newcomer. But, not shocked Rosalina got in before any of the other characters you mentioned.
On what basis? It's received about a half dozen games, some of which are Japan-only and anime-based, and none in the last ten years, only the SNES one was a notable commercial success... its vocal fanbase is as much from Smash as the series itself (probably moreso) and per game its average install base is smaller than any other playable series in Smash, bar perhaps Mother, which in the majority of cases didn't see worldwide release.
Dixie Kong & Samurai Goroh will most likely get in imo. And obviously they will be semi-clones. And of course there's that tiny little chance we could see Toon Zelda.
I lean more towards Dixie being the more likely choice. Being a Kong, a semi-clone (which takes less time), and is important enough of a protagonist to be prioritized before the villain imo. Like if Sonic & Tails were in the roster and there was gonna be a third Sonic character, I would pick Knuckles. Sure he's not as recurring and "Important" as Eggman, but it would still make sense to have that protagonist first.
I think you might be confusing the term "classic" with the term "relevant" or "popular among casuals". I'd argue that Punch-Out's only major success was the NES installment and maybe the Wii one did pretty good. But, that was half of how long ago the last F-Zero was. So what exactly is the official amount of years before Sakurai deems something unimportant to Nintendo's history? And what basis do you have for saying this classic franchise shouldn't be acknowledged? Kid Icarus shouldn't have been acknowledged by that logic. And heck, Sakurai made a whole game out of that.
He's Mario. So no.
This sounds about as provable as "The Big Eight"
What is that?
I would say it's possible, because he isn't a part of the Super Mario universe, while all five of the other characters are.
^ What even?
Long ago, people would use "The Big Eight" in Junior V Toad debates. The Theory was that Nintendo's Mario franchise had a big eight. (The cast of Mario Kart 64) And that this group is somehow exedingly important, and they would use it to argue thats why Toad should get in. Rosalina obiously ripped the big eight up. It's just a fan grouping, like what you've just talked about.
Giving that last franchise is certainly one of many good reasons to add Samurai Goroh. But, it's one of the smaller ones.
He isn't. The Paper Mario universe is an entirely different setting with different mechanics and gameplay. He wouldn't be representing the Super Mario franchise very well.
Super Mario is different from Paper Mario. Super Mario consists of all of the side scrolls, the various Mario and Luigi's , and the Parties/Sports games. Paper Mario doesn't appear in any of those. He only appears in games named "Paper Mario" I mean Wario and Yoshi both have there own labels at this point. I mean Baby Mario is in every Yoshi game. Personally I feel like you could give Paper his own. And its different then Toon Link because the games are titled "Zelda" and non "Toon Link" or something like that. Paper Mario is the name on every game he is in, unlike Wario and Yoshi.
You mean like this guy?:
So...that means Viridi isn't a Kid Icarus character then? Because it's different mechanics and gameplay. (and yes, Paper Mario actually is the same setting in as many games as it isn't.)
Sure, it has happened before, and that doesn't mean it can't happen again. I just think this time around, it'd be far more sensible to include another Mario clone as a rep for the series he's known for, rather than slapping the Mushroom tag on him and calling him a Super Mario representative. Especially considering how prominent the Paper Mario series has become.You mean like this guy?:
You mean like this guy?:
So...that means Viridi isn't a Kid Icarus character then? Because it's different mechanics and gameplay. (and yes, Paper Mario actually is the same setting in as many games as it isn't.)
That is actually the predominant reason I find Paper Mario entirely unlikely. You utilize the likeness of Mario, but he implements what made Game and Watch unique. I mean, two 2-D characters on the roster? I am not insinuating that it is impossible, but that is the prominent aspect of both characters design that would get either considered in the first place and Mr. Watch already satisfies that niche.
Yeah, I used to think he had a chance too, but Rosalina alone kills his chances, even though he can be considered his own series.
