Character Discussion Thread

[Croph]

Never heard of Melee I see.

Melee would never have the worst newcomers for me, because Roy. ROOOY!!

Which, in turn, made me interested in the FE series (FE6 was my first. Hey, it does share some similarities to the first game. I ain't missing much =P). And of course Project M came with Roy.

 

[Second Power]

Am I the only person who expects no other newcomers than the remaining leaked characters (and returning veteran Mewtwo) and would be happy with that? We also get DLC characters if the Sal leak is true, so that's pretty cool.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Did the leak explicitly say DLC "characters"?
Just curious.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Did the leak explicitly say DLC "characters"?
Just curious.

Yes. "Post-launch character DLC".

The all-stars added in Melee were Peach, Bowser, Zelda, Ganondorf, and Mewtwo. Not too bad.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Am I the only person who expects no other newcomers than the remaining leaked characters (and returning veteran Mewtwo) and would be happy with that? We also get DLC characters if the Sal leak is true, so that's pretty cool.

I'd be happy. Little Mac alone does it for me, really. Chorus Kids make me absolutely ecstatic though.

I'm bugged about the possible lack of Lucas and Snake, however, and I really hope they aren't cut.

 

[Morbi]

Am I the only person who expects no other newcomers than the remaining leaked characters (and returning veteran Mewtwo) and would be happy with that? We also get DLC characters if the Sal leak is true, so that's pretty cool.

You would be happy with less? I suppose you are not the only one, many believe the Gematsu leak and no other newcomers; although, I would assert that Mewtwo; in this specific instance, is more or less counted as a newcomer as the veterans alluded to are presumed to be Brawl veterans. Regardless, you might be the only one happy with this notion. I do not really see anyone jumping for joy.

DLC characters are the only reason that I am not entirely disappointed. Sakurai is probably trying to emulate Call of Duty: Ghosts DLC methodology.

 

[Weeman]

People would also be complaining for Mr. Game and Watch if he was a newcomer, but in the end people accepted him and now they even consider him as a must. So yeah if Sakurai opts for the Chorus Kids, it's probably to promote that series, since both DK and Metroid are already well represented, wich might explain him not including K. Rool or Ridley.

 

[Second Power]

Did the leak explicitly say DLC "characters"?
Just curious.

Funny thing is, I actually went and double checked that fact before posting. http://smashboards.com/threads/the-...ano-gematsu-leak.353570/page-52#post-16866157

 

[The Real Gamer]

I'd argue Super Smash Bros. in general does the opposite, which is Super Smash Bros. causing a character to gain fame.

This x100

Case in point: Rosalina.

Before her inclusion she was just another Mario character who shared too many similarities to Peach to be seriously considered.

Now she's the greatest thing that has happened to the Mario series since Super Mario 64 released.

 

[Weeman]

I really don't like the idea of DLC characters, especially if you have to pay for them, but we'll see.

 

[Croph]

Eh, whatever.

I don't think a character's fame is what gets them into Smash Bros anymore.

Maybe at one point, but not anymore.

I'm not really sure tbh.

We certainly had some different choices in the past. If Sakurai wanted a FE clone in Melee, why didn't he choose Leif (who has appearances in two games, and a recent Lord at the time)? Oh, but Roy stood out more in terms of visuals and his fire properties, so I guess fame didn't matter in that sense. Unless if we've been lied to, and IS pushed for Roy, but I don't have any info on that matter. Who knows really...

 

[Kenith]

This x100

Case in point: Rosalina.

Before her inclusion she was just another Mario character who shared too many similarities to Peach to be seriously considered.

Now she's the greatest thing that has happened to the Mario series since Super Mario 64 released.

I disagree with this entirely.

Rosalina was very popular before Smash.

In fact, her role was in the original SMG was highly praised, as Mario had never had a character like her before.

 

[Morbi]

People would also be complaining for Mr. Game and Watch if he was a newcomer, but in the end people accepted him and now they even consider him as a must. So yeah if Sakurai opts for the Chorus Kids, it's probably to promote that series, since both DK and Metroid ware already well represented, wich might explain him not including K. Rool or Ridley.

Define "well represented," does that entail the main character alone? I suppose that would be the case in such franchises as Pikmin. However, I am not sure that that notion is applicable to Metroid.

As for Game & Watch, not everyone feels that way which makes that sentiment subjective. For instance, I still labor disdain for his character and I do not perceive him as a necessary.

 

[Weeman]

I disagree with this entirely.

Rosalina was very popular before Smash.

In fact, her role was in the original SMG was highly praised, as Mario had never had a character like her before.

I agree, this was even proved by the fact that she was playable in Super Mario 3d world, as well as fans complaining that she wasn't present in SMG2 outside like 2 scenes.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Guys who is Ridley. Whozzat? Some kinda Metroid enemy or

 

[Spinosaurus]

This x100

Case in point: Rosalina.

Before her inclusion she was just another Mario character who shared too many similarities to Peach to be seriously considered.

Now she's the greatest thing that has happened to the Mario series since Super Mario 64 released.

I'd argue that she was pretty popular beforehand, but being playable in 3D World made her skyrocket in terms of importance and popularity.

Nintendo was pushing for her so her inclusion isn't as much of a surprise. That said, I think her inclusion in Smash is another step to her growth as a character that Nintendo wants, and not as a result of her being a big name character.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Food for thought. How about we accept unique newcomers coming our way and not be jerks about what people want to believe? Completely disregarding whether or not the leak is true.

 

[The Real Gamer]

I disagree with this entirely.

Rosalina was very popular before Smash.

In fact, her role was in the original SMG was highly praised, as Mario had never had a character like her before.

I never said she wasn't popular beforehand.

The fact of the matter is that Rosalina didn't have nearly as large of a fanbase as she does now after her inclusion.

 

[Kenith]

I never said she wasn't popular beforehand.

The fact of the matter is that Rosalina didn't have nearly as large of a fanbase as she does now after her inclusion.

I haven't noticed that. But that is probably the case.

Food for thought. How about we accept unique newcomers coming our way and not be jerks about what people want to believe? Completely disregarding whether or not the leak is true.

Or we could accept unique newcomers that people actually want. It's very possible, as Mega Man has proven.

 

[Weeman]

Define "well represented," does that entail the main character alone? I suppose that would be the case in such franchises as Pikmin. However, I am not sure that that notion is applicable to Metroid.

As for Game & Watch, not everyone feels that way which makes that sentiment subjective. For instance, I still labor disdain for his character and I do not perceive him as a necessary.

I meant as in they already promote their franchise well, then again you could say the same about any franchise only needing 1 character so yes it's still subjective sorry. As for Mr. Game and Watch i have seen many people who would dread his exclusion, so i assume that he has become a favorite for many fans, even if no one would have really added him to their rosters back in Melee.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

ITT: People Treating a Fallacy Slogan As a Determination of Character Inclusions.

Ness and Falcon were clearly well-known Nintendo icons back then on par with Link, Samus and Pikachu.

 

[Morbi]

Food for thought. How about we accept unique newcomers coming our way and not be jerks about what people want to believe? Completely disregarding whether or not the leak is true.

I do not find them overly unique to be honest; however, I will accept them regardless of the validity of the leak.

Guys who is Ridley. Whozzat? Some kinda Metroid enemy or

Ridley is the robot-esque character to the LEFT shooting at the purple space dragon that is not so purple. He is so cool.

 

[Second Power]

You would be happy with less? I suppose you are not the only one, many believe the Gematsu leak and no other newcomers; although, I would assert that Mewtwo; in this specific instance, is more or less counted as a newcomer as the veterans alluded to are presumed to be Brawl veterans. Regardless, you might be the only one happy with this notion. I do not really see anyone jumping for joy.

DLC characters are the only reason that I am not entirely disappointed. Sakurai is probably trying to emulate Call of Duty: Ghosts DLC methodology.

Less than what? The question you pose in the first sentence implies I'm being given choices. If we got Sal + some others, I'd be happy. If we got just Sal, I'd still be happy. If it were up to me, I'd choose the first option, of course. While the second is inferior and I wouldn't choose it over the first, that doesn't mean its bad, just that the other option is better. However, there isn't a choice to be made, really.

Hope that's somewhat intelligible.

 

[Deleted member]

Ridley is the robot-esque character to the right shooting at the purple space dragon that is not so purple. He is so cool.

You are mistaken; Ridley is the lettering above the robot-like character that reads "Super Metroid." A "ridley" is a term used to describe titles on video game box art.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I do not find them overly unique to be honest; however, I will accept them regardless of the validity of the leak.


Ridley is the robot-esque character to the right shooting at the purple space dragon that is not so purple. He is so cool.

I thought that was Metroid?

 

[FlareHabanero]

Ness and Falcon were clearly well-known Nintendo icons back then on par with Link, Samus and Pikachu.

Hehehehe...

Oh wait you serious, let me laugh even harder.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

 

[Kenith]

Hehehehe...

Oh wait you were serious, let me laugh even harder.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

No he wasn't. You completely missed the joke.

 

[Cpt.]

I really don't like the idea of DLC characters, especially if you have to pay for them, but we'll see.

The more the merrier in my eyes!

 

[Deleted member]

Ness never was, and never has been well known as a Nintendo icon. Falcon could have been if they decided to make him the SNES Mascot like originally planned, but that never came to be, and F-Zero has been dormant for almost a decade.

EDIT: Oh that was a joke. Sorry. Ignore me, move on.

 

[Morbi]

Less than what? The question you pose in the first sentence implies I'm being given choices. If we got Sal + some others, I'd be happy. If we got just Sal, I'd still be happy. If it were up to me, I'd choose the first option, of course. While the second is inferior and I wouldn't choose it over the first, that doesn't mean its bad, just that the other option is better. However, there isn't a choice to be made, really.

Hope that's somewhat intelligible.

Less than what we are accustomed to, I suppose. Our discernible expectations prior to the Direct.

It does not imply any such thing; perhaps you misconstrued the intent of the message?

Somewhat.

 

[N3ON]

Captain Falcon would have nothing without Smash.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Or we could accept unique newcomers that people actually want. It's very possible, as Mega Man has proven.

So Mega Man, Palutena, Little Mac, and possibly Chrom and Shulk don't do it for you? And you also can't take away Miis and Pac-Man's popularity, regardless of the Boards's opinion on them. I think we have a good batch of newcomers that people wanted. Even if the leak isn't true, we still got 3 bigwigs. I think that's pretty good. But then again, to each his own. I'm just saying that despite Wii Fit Trainer, Chorus Kids, and "Bland Chrom", we have popular newcomers.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Hehehehe...

Oh wait you serious, let me laugh even harder.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

That was sarcasm.

 

[Morbi]

Captain Falcon would have nothing without Smash.

Do you not mean that Smash would have nothing without Captain Falcon?

 

[Cpt.]

Do you not mean that Smash would have nothing without Captain Falcon?

Falcon Truth!!!!!!!!

 

[Kenith]

So Mega Man, Palutena, Little Mac, and possibly Chrom and Shulk don't do it for you? And you also can't take away Miis and Pac-Man's popularity, regardless of the Boards's opinion on them. I think we have a good batch of newcomers that people wanted. Even if the leak isn't true, we still got 3 bigwigs. I think that's pretty good. But then again, to each his own. I'm just saying that despite Wii Fit Trainer, Chorus Kids, and "Bland Chrom", we have popular newcomers.

I'm not denying any of those characters' popularity. But if we don't like a character for the sake of uniqueness, we don't have to accept it.

 

[Deleted member]

I have no problem with the roster being less than 50, and Sal leak being the only newcomers. They all make since to some extent, and even though I find Chrom to be an extremely bland character, as well as having little originality in his possible moveset, it makes since to include him to appeal to newer FE fans; the ones that started the series with Awakening.

 

[Spinosaurus]

So Mega Man, Palutena, Little Mac, and possibly Chrom and Shulk don't do it for you? And you also can't take away Miis and Pac-Man's popularity, regardless of the Boards's opinion on them. I think we have a good batch of newcomers that people wanted. Even if the leak isn't true, we still got 3 bigwigs. I think that's pretty good. But then again, to each his own. I'm just saying that despite Wii Fit Trainer, Chorus Kids, and "Bland Chrom", we have popular newcomers.

Idk. Japan eats Rhythm Tengoku up so they'll probably love Chorus Kids, Wii Fit Trainer is recognizable by anyone who played Wii Fit which was a huge success and believe it or not, Chrom IS still pretty popular from what I noticed, especially to the crowd that started the series with Awakening.

 

[The Real Gamer]

I haven't noticed that. But that is probably the case.

Fun fact: The Rosalina support thread was open for nearly a year and a half and only reached 363 replies, which isn't much at all as far as support threads go. For comparison purposes the Little Mac support thread had over 1,500 replies before his inclusion.

6 months later after her release the post count is up to 1,556... The thread essentially quadrupled in size in 1/3 of the time.

No Smash 4 newcomer has blown up in popularity like Rosalina has, other than WFT which isn't a fair comparison considering she never really had a support base in the first place.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Idk. Japan eats Rhythm Tengoku up so they'll probably love Chorus Kids, Wii Fit Trainer is recognizable by anyone who played Wii Fit which was a huge success and believe it or not, Chrom IS still pretty popular from what I noticed.

Chrom did place first in that Japanese Awakening poll for favorite first-gen male character, so that's something.