Character Discussion Thread

[Minato Arisato]

I thought I saw Magnus a little while ago as an Assist. I'm not sure.

 

[Neerb]

I thought I saw Magnus a little while ago as an Assist. I'm not sure.

You did. Someone posted a vid here earlier.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

I thought I saw Magnus a little while ago as an Assist. I'm not sure.

He is

 

[Rockaphin]

How many times does Little Mac get his KO Punch? I noticed him getting it quite often during some of the matches. And are there any characters that seemed to be much better than what you originally thought?

 

[Neerb]

64 characters... 32 announced. That'd only be feasible with DLC. But in Dreamland!
Announced

1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Peach
4. Rosalina
5. Bowser
6. Donkey Kong
7. Diddy Kong
8. Yoshi
9. Link
10. Zelda
11. Sheik
12. Toon Link
13. Pikachu
14. Lucario
15. Charizard
16. Greninja
17. Kirby
18. King Dedede
19. Fox
20. Samus
21. Zero Suit Samus
22. Pit
23. Palutena
24. Olimar
25. Marth
26. Ike
27. Villager
28. Mii Fighter
29. Wii Fit Trainer
30. Little Mac
31. Sonic
32. Megaman
33. Pac-Man

Unlockables (15)

1. Ness
2. Captain Falcon
3. Jigglypuff
4. Wario
5. Meta Knight
6. Mr. Game and Watch
7. R.O.B.
8. Ice Climbers
9. Ridley
10. King K. Rool
11. Chrom
12. Shulk
13. Marshall
14. Falco
15. Wolf

DLC (16, over 2-3 yrs)

1. Lucas
2. Roy
3. Snake
4. Mewtwo
5. Sceptile
6. Dixie Kong
7. Bowser Jr.
8. Paper Mario
9. Ghiralham
10. Impa
11. Krystal
12. Mach Rider
13. Takamara
14. Chibi-Robo
15. Issac
16. Bandana Dee

64 characters and Ray is nowhere to be found. A depressingly realistic depiction of his unfairly low chances.

 

[Deleted member]

If DLC characters were supposedly not free & you had to pay for it, what would the ideal price be? $1?

 

[DustyPumpkin]

If DLC characters were supposedly not free & you had to pay for it, what would the ideal price be? $1?

£6 for a Character and a New Stage with 4 songs

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

If DLC characters were supposedly not free & you had to pay for it, what would the ideal price be? $1?

Yeah, but for some characters like Mewtwo, third party DLC, or Ridley, you'd have to pay extra.

 

[Neerb]

As the Smash Bros sucker I am, I would pay any price for DLC even if I don't care for the content.

I bought every character and stage for the underwhelming Playstation All Stars, and I literally don't remember when I last played it.

Thankfully for me, Nintendo has a great track record on DLC regarding price-to-content ratios.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

This is what am thinking to. But due to the lack of new characters from veteran series, I'm thinking the last characters are Mewtwo, King K.Rool and Impa, from the Legend of Zelda.

I swear to God, shut up about Impa already. It's about as annoying as hearing Robin's name pop up. If you want a Zelda newcomer, we will most likely get Vaati, Tetra, or nothing

Greninja - "What the **** is that"
Kirby - "Jigglypuff" (LOST IT AT THIS ONE)
Samus - "Iron Man"
Marth - "Hot"
Ike - "Oooo looks like Zayn Malik"
Little Mac - "John Cena" (LOST IT)
Mega Man - "Our brother!"

I legit LOL'd at these

 

[BluePikmin11]

Now were finally agreeing to DLC after a year of speculation, finally.

 

[SchAlternate]

Marth - "Hot"

Come on. Everyone knows Roy is the hot one.

/huehuehue geddit cuz he haz da ph41r3 amirite

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

I swear to God, shut up about Impa already. It's about as annoying as hearing Robin's name pop up. If you want a Zelda newcomer, we will most likely get Vaati, Tetra, or nothing

Impa is about a hundred times more likely than Vaati, bud.

 

[Pizzanigs]

I swear to God, shut up about Impa already. It's about as annoying as hearing Robin's name pop up. If you want a Zelda newcomer, we will most likely get Vaati, Tetra, or nothing

I legit LOL'd at these

LOL at Vaati being likely.

 

[SpindaMaster]

Impa is about a hundred times more likely than Vaati, bud.

I want Vaati way more than Impa but I have to agree.

EDIT: Well, unless it's Hyrule Warriors Impa.

 

[Skyfox2000]

For those that haven't seen it

Where do you find or make the gifs?

 

[Spazzy_D]

64 characters and Ray is nowhere to be found. A depressingly realistic depiction of his unfairly low chances.

That many characters are we're not getting trainers old Pokemon back? Sad times.

 

[Andinus]

Lucas isn't even comparable to Wolf.
Fox and Wolf are completely different characters that only share about 3 moves.

And lol at anyone thinking they would get rid of Falco.

Not to nitpick your wording but how can they be COMPLETELY different, and yet still share 3 moves?

My point earlier with choosing ness or lucas etc, was that Lucas, Falco and Wolf all do share similarities with their "originals" in terms of weight, AND move sets, don't get me wrong they play totally different, but based on toon link it seems the theme so far is that, non-weight sharing clones seem to be okay, but we have yet to see anyone with similar moves in a similar weight class be confirmed.

So again I say, if they are having to choose between ness and lucas, why shouldn't they be choosing between wolf and falco or neither?

 

[Louie G.]

Star Fox seems to be an active franchise again, and Wolf brings a lot to the table.
As for Falco he's a competitive favorite and a two time vet.

Mother, sadly, is a very small and dormant franchise, and Lucas doesn't really being anything to the table that Ness doesn't.
He differs enough from Ness moveset wise but all we really have is a variation of Ness's playstyle.
Lucas is expendable, simply put.

And I have all my stock in Sal so yeah.

 

[SchAlternate]

Star Fox seems to be an active franchise again, and Wolf brings a lot to the table.
As for Falco he's a competitive favorite and a two time vet.

Mother, sadly, is a very small and dormant franchise, and Lucas doesn't really being anything to the table that Ness doesn't.
He differs enough from Ness moveset wise but all we really have is a variation of Ness's playstyle.
Lucas is expendable, simply put.

And I have all my stock in Sal so yeah.

Then again, Mother offers a lot more characters than Star Fox does, despite being a smaller franchise.

 

[Backgammon]

So again I say, if they are having to choose between ness and lucas, why shouldn't they be choosing between wolf and falco or neither?

I think it's the fact that Fox and and Falco have become "fan favourites" at this point. I very, very highly doubt Falco will be cut, because of the outcry from a lot of people. There will be outcry if Lucas is cut, yes, but a lot less than if Falco is cut, for example.

Also, Lucas and Ness have the same amount of moves in common as Fox, Falco and Wolf.

 

[Pacack]

Star Fox seems to be an active franchise again, and Wolf brings a lot to the table.
As for Falco he's a competitive favorite and a two time vet.

Mother, sadly, is a very small and dormant franchise, and Lucas doesn't really being anything to the table that Ness doesn't.
He differs enough from Ness moveset wise but all we really have is a variation of Ness's playstyle.
Lucas is expendable, simply put.

And I have all my stock in Sal so yeah.

Have you ever played Lucas? They play entirely differently.

I mean, I think he's cut, but not because of him being "a variation of Ness' playstyle". That's silly.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Impa is about a hundred times more likely than Vaati, bud.

LOL at Vaati being likely.

I'd love to see him as DLC just to rub it in your face. Vaati is a recurring villain in the Zelda series, can bring the villains reps up, and we would have an unique magic fighter using dark magic plus the villain is a male magic user, one we've yet to have in Smash.

 

[Louie G.]

Have you ever played Lucas? They play entirely differently.

I mean, I think he's cut, but not because of him being "a variation of Ness' playstyle". That's silly.

I've played Lucas. He feels like Ness to me, what can I say?

He won't be cut for playing like Ness, but it makes him an easy character to make, and as a result low priority.

 

[Andinus]

Star Fox seems to be an active franchise again, and Wolf brings a lot to the table.
As for Falco he's a competitive favorite and a two time vet.

Mother, sadly, is a very small and dormant franchise, and Lucas doesn't really being anything to the table that Ness doesn't.
He differs enough from Ness moveset wise but all we really have is a variation of Ness's playstyle.
Lucas is expendable, simply put.

And I have all my stock in Sal so yeah.

It is true that mother is dormant, but star fox just recently came alive again, who is to say the mother can't? As far as wolf bringing lots to the table, as a Lucas main for brawl I feel the same way... I pretty much hate Ness.. in my opinion Lucas plays as far away from Ness as Wolf does from Fox, and I know because I hate playing against wolf as Lucas, but don't mind Fox at all...

All these character bring lots to the table in my opinion, but the fact is they all have that "lovely" clone stigma hanging over them, so if Lucas is truly on the chopping block I don't see why falco, and more so wolf can't be.

I've played Lucas. He feels like Ness to me, what can I say?

He won't be cut for playing like Ness, but it makes him an easy character to make, and as a result low priority.

If he really feels like ness to you... then you haven't played him at all..

yeah, yeah sorry, double post...

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Have you ever played Lucas? They play entirely differently.

I mean, I think he's cut, but not because of him being "a variation of Ness' playstyle". That's silly.

But that's the only excuse one would have for him being cut, albeit a lame one. Why else would they cut him?

 

[Pacack]

I've played Lucas. He feels like Ness to me, what can I say?

He won't be cut for playing like Ness, but it makes him an easy character to make, and as a result low priority.

Being a partial Ness main, I can't play Lucas at all. I just can't get used to him.

I expect he'll be cut because he is still a semi-clone from an overrepresented series...as sad as it is.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Being a partial Ness main, I can't play Lucas at all. I just can't get used to him.

I expect he'll be cut because he is still a semi-clone from an overrepresented series...as sad as it is.

And exactly how is Earthbound overrepresented if we have 2 characters? That's kinda silly

 

[ChunkyBeef]

It is true that mother is dormant, but star fox just recently came alive again, who is to say the mother can't?

Similarly, Star Fox is a franchise they can pick up anytime they think it's going to sell enough to be worth the development time, which is seemingly, I'd imagine, why Miyamoto's trying to bring back the franchise. Which, honestly, I find kinda interesting. It's a very 50/50 thing. It's either going to be amazing or it's gonna be another meh entry into the franchise.

Anyway, Mother will never be revived because the Japanese revere Itoi as a celebrity and due to the naturally submissive, beta nature of Japanese, they'll never make one themselves, and if Itoi never wants to make another Mother game again, he'll never make another Mother game again. Which is why we kinda have to sit and wait for fan projects to pop up, like Mother 4 (which is shaping up really nicely, actually). At the same time, if Itoi wakes up one morning and decides, 'Hey, I want to make another Mother game, I've got some great ideas that I can make work.' then Nintendo will be like 'Go nuts. Here's a team and here's your initial budget.'.

Unfortunately, Itoi seems like a busy guy with his fingers in a lot of pies, so naturally, the Mother series pie is going to get stale and be cold forever because he doesn't want anything to do with it.

Having said THAT, Mother's still popular over in Japan, and Smash is a Japanese game made by Japanese developers for Japanese gamers and Nintendo fans. The fact that we happen to have a love for mostly similar things the Japanese do is a happy coincidence. So, yeah, I think Mother should get more representatives, or at least Ness and Lucas, not because the franchise is dead, but because it needs to be memorialized and remembered SOMEHOW.

 

[Baskerville]

Where do you find or make the gifs?

I just found it on NeoGAF

 

[Andinus]

I think it's the fact that Fox and and Falco have become "fan favourites" at this point. I very, very highly doubt Falco will be cut, because of the outcry from a lot of people. There will be outcry if Lucas is cut, yes, but a lot less than if Falco is cut, for example.

Also, Lucas and Ness have the same amount of moves in common as Fox, Falco and Wolf.

and that is why I say wolf before falco, but for semantic purposes I consider them both.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

As a Lucas main in Brawl and PM, the sudden pessimism of Lucas because of the Gematsu leak bothers me quite, a bit. Especially, with the mention of Mother 3 at the Digital Event, wouldn't this boost his odds of returning.

 

[Pacack]

As a Lucas main in Brawl and PM, the sudden pessimism of Lucas because of the Gematsu leak bothers me quite, a bit. Especially, with the mention of Mother 3 at the Digital Event, wouldn't this boost his odds of returning.

Well, there's supposedly a lot of debate going on. It could end up that neither one gets cut in the end.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

So, who would be the next veteran? Mewtwo? Wario? R.O.B.?

 

[Spinosaurus]

So, who would be the next veteran? Mewtwo? Wario? R.O.B.?

I'm actually expecting Game&Watch for this month.

Wario for July. Guts feeling.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Nah am sure at least one would get in. They are having a debate over who should get in. Not why to birng them back. EarthBound was re-released on VC with a lot of attention, so I think Ness is the one to make it in the end.

However, if there was a debate over Ness vs Lucas... how about Jigglypuff vs Mewtwo? Or Wolf vs Falco?

 

[Spinosaurus]

Someone remind me where the leak is because I'm pretty sure it was that the debate is if it ends up that one of them gets cut.

 

[Richard Nixon]

A thing to remember about Lucas: Sal's leaker said there was a debate amongst the developers about whether to keep him or Ness. I'd have thought that if it ever came down to a toss-up between the two, Ness would be hands down the obvious character to keep around, but that doesn't seem to have been the case. He heavily suggested the team was having a hard time deciding, which leads me to believe there was more to the discussion than just "hey, Lucas is the clone, let's cut him." With what Sal had to say, seems like only one Mother character is (or was, at one point) intended to return, which would make one of them being a clone irrelevant anyways since only one of their movesets would be present in the game.

As much as I'd like to compare the Ness/Lucas situation to the spacies, it becomes an irrelevant comparison to make when you drop the "clone characters" factor out of the equation. I honestly don't think the developers care much whether characters are clones or not. A Mother character was probably considered more expendable because of the status of the series and lack of recognition in the west (for Lucas especially).

That said, there's still hope for both of them making it back I guess. I wouldn't count on it, but it is definitely worth nothing that Sal's leaker wasn't 100% sure yet.

 

[Louie G.]

In my defense I was never truly a Lucas fan.

 

[Zwzchow]

G&W this PotD? C: