Character Discussion Thread

[TitanTeaTime]

Uhhhmm... What's up with Dark Pit? Sakurai's not seriously planning to make him playable is he?

Probably not, my bets are on him just being a recolour of Pit again.

 

[Xenorange]

Probably not, my bets are on him just being a recolour of Pit again.

I hope you're right, Dark Pit's cool and all but one pit is just fine thank you.

 

[JFM2796]

The onlu thing thats preventing me from believing the Gematsu leak is true is the lack of chorus kids. That is the dealbreaker for me. Mii,Palutena and Pacman were all easy to predict, at least for the leak before the direct.

Chrom and Shulk are easy to predict as well.

Did you hear about the Rhythm Heaven enemy spotted in Smash Run?

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[BluePikmin11]

So you guys really think he hyped us in the end of Palutena's trailer just for Dark Pit to be an alt?

 

[Andinus]

Why would you cut Lucas and Falco. Lucas is the main Protagonist of Mother 3 and a important character in the Earthbound Games, He is a staple to the Smash Series He wont be cut. Falco will not be cut he was very popular among melee and and a fan favorite. Didn't much like Wolf Moveset in Brawl (but his Project M Moveset was better) I don't see him getting cut. I see him coming back with a revamped movset (or he could be replaced by Krystal)
R.O.B and Ice Climbers wont be leaving anytime soon. R.O.B is a very important part of Nintendo History and the Video Game Crash and since Sakurai has his mind on the 80's right now it's very unlikely he will be cut. Now Ice Climber I say Sakurai don't want them cut but he did say they were having technical issues with the Ice Climbers on the 3DS. Jiggs is one of the Original 12 if they was going to cut her she would have been cut during Brawl's Development, Mewtwo is a Highly Requested Character wait a sec take that back A DEMANDED Character he's will most likely be in.

I think you missed my point, I was posing the question of what is the logic behind getting rid of Lucas (presumably because he is a semi clone) and keeping wolf and or falco who are semi and pseudo clones?
If they really are being forced to choose between ness and Lucas, why would they not between wolf or falco?

And as for IC and ROB, we can only speculate we know what sakurai is thinking, I don't think they are gone either but who knows if time constraints or new character priorities took their toll.

As for jiggs, I believe she almost was cut from brawl so I don't feel like the original 12 are necessarily as untouchable as many assume they are. Perhaps mewtwo gets his turn over her this time?

 

[Xenorange]

So you guys really think he hyped us in the end of Palutena's trailer just for Dark Pit to be an alt?

Yes, what else would he be? He's just pit but dark.

 

[Sebz]

Genesect confirmed for Pokeball, and an awesome one at that.

 

[Xenorange]

Genesect confirmed for Pokeball, and an awesome one at that.

Any pictures?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Being a "dark" Pit doesn't mean it stops his inclusion. Feels like Dr. Mario all over again.

 

[Xenorange]

Being a "dark" Pit doesn't mean it stops his inclusion. Feels like Dr. Mario all over again.

At most he'll be an AT, any more than that I feel would be stretching.

 

[BluePikmin11]

At most he'll be an AT, any more than that I feel would be stretching.

Sakurai treats every character seperate, even when it's a recolor to most people. But I guess that's just your opinion, but it's not Sakurai's at all.

 

[Xenorange]

Sakurai treats every character seperate, even when it's a recolor to most people. But I guess that's just your opinion, but it's not Sakurai's at all.

I sincerely doubt we'll get two pits, but by all means don't let my pessimistic opinions dent your fortitude. Anything is possible.

 

[NickerBocker]

I sincerely doubt we'll get two pits, but by all means don't let my pessimistic opinions dent your fortitude. Anything is possible.

There is plenty of weapons and moves from KIU that there could be another Pit with a different moveset.

But I also doubt 2 pits.

 

[Arcanir]

Genesect confirmed for Pokeball, and an awesome one at that.

What does it do when it's summoned?

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

What does it do when it's summoned?

Techno Blast is my best guess.

 

[Cobalsh]

So, let me get this straight. The only reason Falco should stay over Wolf is that people like him and longevity. That's bull. Sakurai doesn't care about either of those things, as we've seen in the past. If Sakurai cares about what fans want, we would've had Ridley as playable by now. And longevity means nothing to Sakurai. I think he's going to be our "Mewtwo"; something we didn't truly appreciate until it's gone.

 

[N3ON]

I think Sakurai very much cares for longevity within the series, otherwise we wouldn't keep getting Sheik and Jiggs. And Ness.

 

[GunGunW]

So, let me get this straight. The only reason Falco should stay over Wolf is that people like him and longevity. That's bull. Sakurai doesn't care about either of those things, as we've seen in the past. If Sakurai cares about what fans want, we would've had Ridley as playable by now. And longevity means nothing to Sakurai. I think he's going to be our "Mewtwo"; something we didn't truly appreciate until it's gone.

Can't we just keep Falco and Wolf? Is that an option?

 

[praline]

Genesect would've been a cool ass rep for gen 5

 

[Baskerville]

For those that haven't seen it

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

On the topic of Dark Pit, I think he'll be either a stage hazard or an Assist Trophy. Most likely the former, in my opinion, cause he came to crash Palutena's party.

 

[Minato Arisato]

Hadn't read all the pages, but I think I had not read this new character option yet:

We have Charizard, the iconic fire pokemon from 1st generation.
We have Greninja, so far the most "adaptable" pokemon from last generation.

What are we missing? Grass type. What is promoting Nintendo now? Hoenn remake.

I really think Sceptile is going to be inside.

Oh my goodness, that avatar of yours is absolutely terrifying...

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Can't we just keep Falco and Wolf? Is that an option?

I'd think that it would be an option. After all, it kind of completes the primary hero + sidekick + rival setup. It's already been done for Mario, Luigi, and Bowser.

 

[Louie G.]

Lucas isn't even comparable to Wolf.
Fox and Wolf are completely different characters that only share about 3 moves.

And lol at anyone thinking they would get rid of Falco.

 

[SchAlternate]

I posted this back at the Mewtwo thread. It involves the roster size. Just a little thing I found.

I'm just gonna leave this here.... and, uh, yeah.

Well! Thanks to magical powers of Photoshop, I think I found out the roster size! ... Maybe.

So! Here's the roster of the demo:

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It has a total of 20 characters + a random slot. Pretty solid for a demo.

Now, lets add some slots to make that a perfect rectangle.

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This gives us a whooping 23 slots. There's still some space to the sides, though. Lets cover them!

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... Could only add 3 more. So here's a 27 big roster. Seeing that we have 34 characters revealed, there's clearly something wrong here. Let's do the same as Brawl and shrink those slots!

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Now we're at 48 slots... huh. It seems whoever did that estimation was somewhat right. But, assuming the Brawl crew comes back with the lowest amount of cuts possible (two, Ivysaur and Squirtle) at 37, plus the 9 newcomers shown, there'd be only a single space left in the roster (Mewtwo?)... which, unless it means there have been a boatload of cuts, means that the roster is pretty much underwhelming. So many popular characters are being left out.

However, let's get a little crazy here. So, we had 64's roster, which had 2 rows; then Melee, with 3; and then Brawl, with 4. Let's say this game does add one extra row to it's roster. That'd bring the roster size to...

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... an outstanding 60 slots! That is quite a large amount of smashers, would't you say? Though, 59 is a bit of a weird number. Plus, this roster isn't as wide as the demo roster. Let's expand it a little bit more one more time.

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Here's the best possible roster. 65 slots - 64 players and a random slot! Not only would this size be the ultimate fanservice Sakurai could deliver, but the amount of characters is 64; a perfect throwback to the original game!

Now, I don't mean to hype you up, nor do I want to dissapoint you; I just did this for fun. Though it gives me a really cool idea of what the roster would be like.

Brainstorming here.

 

[Pizzanigs]

So, with the rumor that Chunky Kong is an Assist Trophy, do you guys think that would help King K. Rool's chances?

 

[Oblivion129]

I still think Dark Pit was there to go along with another trailer. I'm not sure how it would link up to another trailer, but since Link was also in the trailer it might have to do with the two series.
Was there someone who said something about a Hades + Ganon trailer?

 

[Depressed Gengar]

So, with the rumor that Chunky Kong is an Assist Trophy, do you guys think that would help King K. Rool's chances?

Absolutely nothing. Dixie on the other hand probably would change things.

 

[Joe D.]

Just throwing this out there, but if Wolf does get cut, (Which I'm hoping not. I made my senior quote one of his lines from Assault,) then will Krystal be the sure fire replacement for him? I highly doubt Mr. Sakurai would demote the franchise. And before anyone brings up Dr. Mario, just remember that both Krystal and Wolf are actually fleshed out characters, and not just a re-hashed version of the original form of a character.

 

[mahnamahna]

I posted this back at the Mewtwo thread. It involves the roster size. Just a little thing I found.

I'm just gonna leave this here.... and, uh, yeah.

64 characters... 32 announced. That'd only be feasible with DLC. But in Dreamland!
Announced

1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Peach
4. Rosalina
5. Bowser
6. Donkey Kong
7. Diddy Kong
8. Yoshi
9. Link
10. Zelda
11. Sheik
12. Toon Link
13. Pikachu
14. Lucario
15. Charizard
16. Greninja
17. Kirby
18. King Dedede
19. Fox
20. Samus
21. Zero Suit Samus
22. Pit
23. Palutena
24. Olimar
25. Marth
26. Ike
27. Villager
28. Mii Fighter
29. Wii Fit Trainer
30. Little Mac
31. Sonic
32. Megaman
33. Pac-Man

Unlockables (15)

1. Ness
2. Captain Falcon
3. Jigglypuff
4. Wario
5. Meta Knight
6. Mr. Game and Watch
7. R.O.B.
8. Ice Climbers
9. Ridley
10. King K. Rool
11. Chrom
12. Shulk
13. Marshall
14. Falco
15. Wolf

DLC (16, over 2-3 yrs)

1. Lucas
2. Roy
3. Snake
4. Mewtwo
5. Sceptile
6. Dixie Kong
7. Bowser Jr.
8. Paper Mario
9. Ghiralham
10. Impa
11. Krystal
12. Mach Rider
13. Takamara
14. Chibi-Robo
15. Issac
16. Bandana Dee

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

I also have something to bring up

I was very surprised that we didn't get any veterans all through the event so far, and I'm not expecting any either. I now ask a question. Anyone know if there are any games coming out next month that Sakurai would play along with and add a veteran?

 

[Depressed Gengar]

No one's getting replaced. Simple as that.

 

[Joe D.]

No one's getting replaced. Simple as that.

So metaphorically speaking, if Wolf DOES get replaced.

 

[TitanTeaTime]

For those that haven't seen it

Is it just me, or is Genesect almost as HD as the substitute doll? It looks so good for whatever reason.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

IF Wolf were to be "replaced", it would basically cause the "Lucario replazed Mewtwo wut" scenario again.

 

[Pizzanigs]

No one's getting replaced. Simple as that.

This. With Lucario and Ike coming back, I honestly have no reason to believe that anyone is going to be cut (with thhe exception of Ivysaur, Squirtle, and Snake).

 

[Substitution]

Is it just me, or is Genesect almost as HD as the substitute doll? It looks so good for whatever reason.

But it will never be as good.
Substitute is love, Substitute is life.

 

[Leafeon523]

Stupid question time: does anyone know how to make a spoiler tab?

 

[TitanTeaTime]

Stupid question time: does anyone know how to make a spoiler tab?

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I think I do.

 

[Rockaphin]

Really curious on this. Where did he say that? Everyone I know who tried him out are saying he's pretty damn good, but they're not Bowser players.

Here's the link with more details:
http://meleeiton.me/2014/06/10/invitational-impressions/#comments

I didn't make the tier list, if that's what everyone thought.