Character Discussion Thread

[Second Power]

Having a mascot with a legendary status in Smash Bros as an assist trophy because the vocal minority doesn't respect him for whatever reason seems awfully silly to me.

I really don't get the logic...either he's playable, or bust. Otherwise it's an insult to his legacy. =/

Would we even be seriously talking about adding Pac-man if Namco weren't developing the game?

Can I get a veteran's experience on this?

 

[CyberWolfBia]

Having a mascot with a legendary status in Smash Bros as an assist trophy because the vocal minority doesn't respect him for whatever reason seems awfully silly to me.

I really don't get the logic...either he's playable, or bust. Otherwise it's an insult to his legacy. =/

I can't believe that I have typed so much in this site.. and I couldn't reach a good result as your post. Well said.

Waka Waka to tomorrow! 0/

 

[Pacack]

That's uhh... kinda what I had in mind, yeah.

in all honesty, isn't pacman that already to the general public?

There was this new 4 player classic pacman thing at my local arcade, and it was really fun!

Well, sorry, but that just isn't a smart business decision. Namco is not going to add Pac-Man as only a pie, because that is not what they are trying to promote. He may be considered a one-shot wonder to many, but he isn't that to Namco. They are actively trying to break out of that mold that they've been placed into and attempting to revive him as a recent mascot. Do you think their whole "Pac is back" advertising means nothing? Of course not. If they bother to include him in the game at all, he will be advertising his recent endeavors. Not his 34 year old arcade game.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Pac-Man is going to playable, or not in at all. There is no other Namco character that would likely get in over him, and if he's in Smash, he's going to be playable. Without a doubt something I would place a bet on.

The one thing that would make me not care that much about anything else would be if Snake is revealed, and I feel kinda confident. I am imagining them revealing Phantom Pain or Ground Zeroes on Wii U, then saying "Prease take a look, at this next clip" and having Snake fighting Mario and Sonic or something.

A man can dream, and hopefully, this mans dream comes true tomorrow...

 

[Starcutter]

The detractors will find any excuse...but whatever. The trailer will enlighten all non-pac-believers

well, what's your reasoning for him being in?

Well, sorry, but that just isn't a smart business decision. Namco is not going to add Pac-Man as only a pie, because that is not what they are trying to promote. He may be considered a one-shot wonder to many, but he isn't that to Namco. They are actively trying to break out of that mold that they've been placed into and attempting to revive him as a recent mascot. Do you think their whole "Pac is back" advertising means nothing? Of course not. If they bother to include him in the game at all, he will be advertising his recent endeavors. Not his 34 year old arcade game.

In the end, it's really sakurai's decision, not Namco's.

 

[Morbi]

Would we even be seriously talking about adding Pac-man if Namco weren't developing the game?

Can I get a veteran's experience on this?

This has already been discussed quite extensively; everyone comprehends that Pac-Man's chances would be non-existent if it were not for Namco's involvement in the development of Smash 4. However, that does not alter the objective notion that they are associated with and involved with the project. Therefore his chances are reasonable.

 

[Second Power]

This has already been discussed quite extensively; everyone comprehends that Pac-Man's chances would be non-existent if it were not for Namco's involvement in the development of Smash 4. However, that does not alter the objective notion that they are associated with and involved with the project. Therefore his chances are reasonable.

It's telling one of the strongest points for his inclusion is "Easier to include than any alternative".

 

[FlareHabanero]

Would we even be seriously talking about adding Pac-man if Namco weren't developing the game?

Can I get a veteran's experience on this?

There would still be some folks, though to a lesser extent. Like think on par with Bomberman or Simon Belmont.

 

[Spinosaurus]

His inclusion in Smash is an insult to his legacy if he does not have the "honor" of being playable? That logic is certainly fallacious.

Having Sonic and Mega Man playable while Pac Man gets a "lesser" role (if you will) is very silly, considering he's more recognized by the masses.

I mean, he's practically the face of video games to many people (read: the majority). Surely you'd want someone with a status like that to be playable if you want him in the game?

 

[Morbi]

Pac-Man is going to playable, or not in at all. There is no other Namco character that would likely get in over him, and if he's in Smash, he's going to be playable. Without a doubt something I would place a bet on.

The one thing that would make me not care that much would be if Snake is revealed, and I feel kinda confident. I am imagining them revealing Phantom Pain or Ground Zeroes on Wii U, then saying "Prease take a look, at this next clip" and having Snake fighting Mario and Sonic or something.

A man can dream, and hopefully, this mans dream comes true tomorrow...

So you erroneously believe that it is impossible that Pac-Man is alluded to or represented in a similar fashion to all other Namco IP? Pac-Man is an either or fallacy for some arbitrary reason? Okay. I would; once again, assert that that sentiment is fallacious, quite literally as you presume that a logical fallacy will actualize.

 

[Deleted member]

Non-existent?
Don't be putting Pac in the same category as Geno and Goku, now.

Even if Bamco wasn't involved, he'd still have a chance. Just not nearly as strong of a chance as he does now.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

well, what's your reasoning for him being in?

In the end, it's really sakurai's decision, not Namco's.

Maybe so. But if you were the head director of Super Smash Bros, and had a perfect opportunity to create a game where you can pit Mario, Sonic, Mega Man and Pac-Man against each other in the SAME GAME, wouldn't you do it too?

 

[Starcutter]

Having Sonic and Mega Man playable while Pac Man gets a "lesser" role (if you will) is very silly, considering he's more recognized by the masses.

I mean, he's practically the face of video games to many people (read: the majority). Surely you'd want someone with a status like that to be playable if you want him in the game?

How would the character recognizable to the masses be playable! he doesn't even have arms!


(you know what I'm getting at here, right? or do I need to explain?)

Maybe so. But if you were the head director of Super Smash Bros, and had a perfect opportunity to create a game where you can pit Mario, Sonic, Mega Man and Pac-Man against each other in the SAME GAME, wouldn't you do it too?

no

 

[CyberWolfBia]

Oh Jesus... I think that I'll go to the bed.. like now.. I need this event happening as soon as possible... I can't handle the hype.. I can't handle any other debate; just give me Pac playable.. and some Palutena or whatever for the others be happy too. (I'm not that selfish =P)

 

[Pacack]

In the end, it's really sakurai's decision, not Namco's.

No, it isn't.

If Sakurai goes up to them and asks "Can I use Pac-Man as an assist?" They have every right to say no. And they probably would, considering how they're advertising him recently.

But...the S-Flag does appear to be a summoning item. My conclusion? Since it doesn't make sense for Namco to let Sakurai include Pac-Man as only a sprite, since it doesn't advertise their recent endeavors and, again, solidifies him as an arcade one-shot wonder, it makes more sense that Pac-Man is actually playable, and this item is an extra thank you to Namco for helping to develop the game.

 

[Morbi]

Non-existent?
Don't be putting Pac in the same category as Geno and Goku, now.

Even if Bamco wasn't involved, he'd still have a chance. Just not nearly as strong of a chance as he does now.

The difference is negligible. Albeit; you are correct.

Having Sonic and Mega Man playable while Pac Man gets a "lesser" role (if you will) is very silly, considering he's more recognized by the masses.

I mean, he's practically the face of video games to many people (read: the majority). Surely you'd want someone with a status like that to be playable if you want him in the game?

I never insinuated anything to that effect; surely the most ideal role is playable. However, that does not magically (arbitrarily) mean that it is implausible for him to be represented in another way.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

So you erroneously believe that it is impossible that Pac-Man is alluded to or represented in a similar fashion to all other Namco IP? Pac-Man is an either or fallacy for some arbitrary reason? Okay. I would; once again, assert that that sentiment is fallacious, quite literally as you presume that a logical fallacy will actualize.

I'm so confused as to what you're talking about here. But I will attempt to reply.

What I'm saying is, that if Pac-Man is in the game, he isn't going to be a random summon, simply based on the idea that he's FREAKING PAC-MAN.

But yes, that is what I'm trying to say.

 

[Spinosaurus]

How would the character recognizable to the masses be playable! he doesn't even have arms!


(you know what I'm getting at here, right? or do I need to explain?)

what.
Pac Man has limbs in the artwork that's in the game cabinets, what are you talking about?

 

[Starcutter]

No, it isn't.

If Sakurai goes up to them and asks "Can I use Pac-Man as an assist?" They have every right to say no. And they probably would, considering how they're advertising him recently.

But...the S-Flag does appear to be a summoning item. My conclusion? Since it doesn't make sense for Namco to let Sakurai include Pac-Man as only a sprite, since it doesn't advertise their recent endeavors and, again, solidifies him as an arcade one-shot wonder, it makes more sense that Pac-Man is actually playable, and this item is an extra thank you to Namco for helping to develop the game.

Alright, but if they were like "can we have pacman as a playable character"? Sakurai could also say no. so it evens out, I guess.


anyways, why would they have both the special flag AND a playable character for a thank you? doesn't anyone else think that's a bit much?

what.
Pac Man has limbs in the artwork that's in the game cabinets, what are you talking about?

It's not that what I'm talking about, yes I know that exists but you cannot deny that the Pacman most recognizable by the masses is 8 bit Pacman. 3D Pacman is relatively obscure if you compare them to the masses that know of his existence.

 

[Hot Uncle Sparky]

One thing you guys are forgetting (not gonna quote) is Namco was not getting special treatment for the roster, that means Pac-Man won't get in just because Namco wants to promote him. This may not disconfirm him, but he'll need more than popularity.

 

[Morbi]

I'm so confused as to what you're talking about here. But I will attempt to reply.

What I'm saying is, that if Pac-Man is in the game, he isn't going to be a random summon, simply based on the idea that he's FREAKING PAC-MAN.

But yes, that is what I'm trying to say.

Pac-Man is going to playable, or not in at all. There is no other Namco character that would likely get in over him, and if he's in Smash, he's going to be playable. Without a doubt something I would place a bet on.

The one thing that would make me not care that much about anything else would be if Snake is revealed, and I feel kinda confident. I am imagining them revealing Phantom Pain or Ground Zeroes on Wii U, then saying "Prease take a look, at this next clip" and having Snake fighting Mario and Sonic or something.

A man can dream, and hopefully, this mans dream comes true tomorrow...

I highlighted the portion that I was referencing. However, thank you for the clarification.

 

[Nu~]

The difference is negligible. Albeit; you are correct.


I never insinuated anything to that effect; surely the most ideal role is playable. However, that does not magically (arbitrarily) mean that it is implausible for him to be represented in another way.

its not impossible, but its improbable and would insult his fans. Why put the face of video games, as an assist trophy. Why would Namco want their pride and joy represented as a second rate supporter rather than a full playable character. That's like saying that making a character statue in the background of a stage is just as good as making them a character.

 

[Pacack]

Also, even if more people recognize this:

I'd argue that this:

Is still more iconic than Snake and Mega Man.

 

[Weeman]

Oh Jesus... I think that I'll go to the bed.. like now.. I need this event happening as soon as possible... I can't handle the hype.. I can't handle any other debate; just give me Pac playable.. and some Palutena or whatever for the others be happy too. (I'm not that selfish =P)

Well everyone's selfish in the sense that they want a certain character, so even if i don't want pac-man in i definetly understand the love his fans have for him and his status in videogame history, so if he's in then good, if not then good as well.

 

[N3ON]

Without Namco's involvement Pac-Man's small amount of supporters (most don't hop on - at least vocally - until the character actually has a chance) would keep to themselves in their thread, but no one else would really give him the time of day.

 

[FlareHabanero]

One thing you guys are forgetting (not gonna quote) is Namco was not getting special treatment for the roster, that means Pac-Man won't get in just because Namco wants to promote him. This may not disconfirm him, but he'll need more than popularity.

It basically means that if the staff at Namco want one of their characters on the roster in Super Smash Bros., they'll have to work for it. It's basically on the same level as companies like staff at Capcom and SEGA asking for characters.

 

[Morbi]

its not impossible, but its improbable and would insult his fans. Why put the face of video games, as an assist trophy. Why would Namco want their pride and joy represented as a second rate supporter rather than a full playable character. That's like saying that making a character statue in the background of a stage is just as good as making them a character.

Do not misconstrue my sentiment; I was just questioning the logic, not the reasoning. I completely and utterly agree with you.

 

[Nu~]

anyways, why would they have both the special flag AND a playable character for a thank you? doesn't anyone else think that's a bit much?

nope

 

[Starcutter]

Also, even if more people recognize this:

I'd argue that this:

Is still more iconic than Snake and Mega Man.

I scoff at your shenanigans.

nope

Really? deep down I think you know but you probably don't want to think that way.

 

[Pacack]

Alright, but if they were like "can we have pacman as a playable character"? Sakurai could also say no. so it evens out, I guess.


anyways, why would they have both the special flag AND a playable character for a thank you? doesn't anyone else think that's a bit much?

I found that odd at first too, but it's more than possible that Sakurai didn't see adding Pac-Man as just a favor and wanted to do more.

One thing you guys are forgetting (not gonna quote) is Namco was not getting special treatment for the roster, that means Pac-Man won't get in just because Namco wants to promote him. This may not disconfirm him, but he'll need more than popularity.

He said that third parties are "special cases".

Pac-Man could be considered a "special case".

Therefore, Pac-Man does not need special treatment. Only less recognizable Namco characters which aren't special cases like Lloyd Irving would.


I basically took that statement as "This isn't going to be Nintendo x Namco just because they're working on the game".

 

[Starcutter]

I found that odd at first too, but it's more than possible that Sakurai didn't see adding Pac-Man as just a favor and wanted to do more.

...uh, I think you are starting to grasp here but whatever. go ahead and think that way if you really want to.

 

[Hot Uncle Sparky]

I scoff at your shenanigans

Actually, I think he has a point on that one.

It basically means that if the staff at Namco want one of their characters on the roster in Super Smash Bros., they'll have to work for it. It's basically on the same level as companies like staff at Capcom and SEGA asking for characters.

That's kinda it, actually. At the end of the day, Pac-Man's fate will be determined by what the dev team thinks he can do on the battlefield.

 

[Nu~]

I scoff at your shenanigans.


Really? deep down I think you know but you probably don't want to think that way.

I find that fair considering that they co-developed the game. They have no special representation for playable characters, but not necessarily items.

 

[CyberWolfBia]

Well everyone's selfish in the sense that they want a certain character, so even if i don't want pac-man in i definetly understand the love his fans have for him and his status in videogame history, so if he's in then good, if not then good as well.

no, I'm serious... I'm not that selfish (I have my percentage of selfishness, of course, I'm human =P).. I'd like to have a character that I don't want (just like Palutena.. or I dunno... Bandana Dee, I guess?) for see other people happy.. but I think very unfair see people being anti-character just cause a design or some mediocre games (which doesn't affect the legacy of the character structured in the past, like Sonic or Metroid).. btw, any "anti-character" noise, is very bad to hear.

in a perfect world, Smash would be like a MUGEN engine in HD with a perfect ONline and balance =P... but, it's all on Sakurai's and NAMCO's hands.. probably they're in the most hard point of view now.

 

[Spinosaurus]

It's not that what I'm talking about, yes I know that exists but you cannot deny that the Pacman most recognizable by the masses is 8 bit Pacman. 3D Pacman is relatively obscure if you compare them to the masses that know of his existence.

You could replace Pac-Man with Mario here and you wouldn't be wrong. :x

Point is, while 8-bit Pac Man is more iconic, how does that go against his design that has limbs? Because he's STILL iconic, limbs or not. I really doubt people will go "WHEN DID PAC MAN HAVE HANDS", because they're not THAT out of touch.

 

[Pacack]

...uh, I think you are starting to grasp here but whatever. go ahead and think that way if you really want to.

If Pac-Man's in, then it wasn't because of special treatment for Namco. Therefore, Sakurai didn't give Namco anything by getting Pac-Man in the game. Therefore, he would need to add something else if he wanted to give them a thank you gift.

 

[Starcutter]

well whatever, I do agree he has a chance, but mostly not due to the special flag. I gotta go now anyways.




I still don't know how anyone can like that abomination

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Arguing 8-Bit Pac-Man v. 3D Pac-Man in regards to their iconic status is like arguing 8-Bit Mario and 3D Mario.

Different forms of the same character. They're the same character. It doesn't even matter what form is more iconic. No matter how you slice it, Pac-Man is a legendary character. Maybe it mainly came from the Arcade games, but it's still Pac-Man.

 

[Morbi]

You could replace Pac-Man with Mario here and you wouldn't be wrong. :x

Point is, while 8-bit Pac Man is more iconic, how does that go against his design that has limbs? Because he's STILL iconic, limbs or not. I really doubt people will go "WHEN DID PAC MAN HAVE HANDS", because they're not THAT out of touch.

I do not believe that Pac-Man and Mario are nearly as comparable.

 

[Starcutter]

If Pac-Man's in, then it wasn't because of special treatment for Namco. Therefore, Sakurai didn't give Namco anything by getting Pac-Man in the game. Therefore, he would need to add something else if he wanted to give them a thank you gift.

heard you the first time.


how would them getting pacman in the game NOT be a gift? that's just crazy!


anyways, I got to go now, maybe I'll be back in an hour or two