Character Discussion Thread

[Pizzanigs]

I have a topic.

What is the minimum that you would need to make you happy with the roster?

Personally I'd be held over with Little Mac, Mewtwo, and Palutena.

D'oh, I meant newcomer wise if you didn't get that already.

Little Mac, Mewtwo, King K. Rool. 1/3 of the way there!

 

[False Sense]

I agree with this sentiment, but at the same time, I do not believe that we are done with surprise characters either. Obviously the good ones are coming, and obviously Wii Fit (and the like) were revealed earlier to mitigate some of the disappointment. But I doubt all of our dreams will come true just because some characters are out of the way.

I suppose that all this talk of "surprise" characters depends on what you consider a surprise. For example, I'm sure most people would consider a character like Chorus Men or Dr. Kawashima to be surprises, but at the same time, there are many who would consider characters like King K. Rool, Ridley, and Mewtwo surprises for various reasons.

Personally, I think it's quite possible, and perhaps rather likely, that we'll see a few characters that were not expected by the majority of people. However, I think it's possible we may be done with complete surprise characters.

 

[AustarusIV]

I have a topic.

What is the minimum that you would need to make you happy with the roster?

Personally I'd be held over with Little Mac, Mewtwo, and Palutena.

D'oh, I meant newcomer wise if you didn't get that already.

Ridley and King K. Rool. I'm feeling pessimistic about their chances unfortunately, so I'll probably have to stick with Little Mac.

 

[Louie G.]

We'll probably get everyone from the Sal Leak.
Even if the leak is fake, with the exception of Chorus Kids.

K. Rool and Ridley look pretty promising too. Moreso K. Rool.

And Mewtwo if he counts. ESPECIALLY Mewtwo.

So I wouldn't worry about hype characters. There's a lot more to be revealed.

On another note, check out my Chorus Kids moveset!

Keep this in mind as you read: each attack triggers a 4/4 time signature metronome, to assist in keeping the beat.

B: Glee Club
The first Chorus Kid starts to sing, and pressing B in rhythm allows the other two to join in, sending blue shock waves in three directions. B can be held after the last kid joins in, which forms a sort of barrier around them. Letting go sends the sound waves shooting in their respective directions.

Side B: Love Lab
The Chorus Kids sway to a quick rhythm, passing a chemical-filled test tube down the line. Pressing Side-B in rhythm keeps the beaker moving, but losing the beat makes the kids drop the beaker. The last kid in line tosses the chemical to his side, hopefully hitting an opponent, and granting an effect. The chemical's effects are in a set order: Burn, Freeze, Pitfall (ground)/Meteor Smash (air).

Up B: Micro Row
Holding down Up-B causes the kids to be squashes down, and letting go causes them to shoot upward. Pressing Up-B in rhythm allows them to do this three times.

Down B: Tap Troupe
This attack's function is similar to DK's Down B. The Chorus Kids tap dance by stomping on the ground, causing a quake in the area surrounding them. To continue tapping, Down-B must be tapped in a syncopated pattern. Each round of tapping is completed by a powerful stomp. The tapping causes a quake with low knockback, while the stomp can send your opponents flying.

Final Smash: Rhythm Paradise
Much of the Rhythm Heaven cast comes in and tramples the opponents. Get creative with this one, imagine it yourself.
I personally imagine the Wrestler being among the cast on the ground, and the Blue Birds hitting the opponents from above.

And check out their support thread when you have the time.
I hear the guy who owns it is real cool.

 

[False Sense]

We'll probably get everyone from the Sal Leak.
Even if the leak is fake, with the exception of Chorus Kids.

Eh, I sort of agree with that. Kind of.

While I do think that the majority of remaining characters on the leak are likely regardless of the leak's legitimacy, I find it doubtful that we'd actually get all of them if the leak is fake.

 

[Shagadelic_Baby]

We'll probably get everyone from the Sal Leak.
Even if the leak is fake, with the exception of Chorus Kids.

K. Rool and Ridley look pretty promising too. Moreso K. Rool.

And Mewtwo if he counts. ESPECIALLY Mewtwo.

So I wouldn't worry about hype characters. There's a lot more to be revealed.

So far all I've seen as evidence for K.Rool in Smash 4 is the Kremlings in Smash Run, I believe there's more evidence towards Ridley being playable than K. Rool.
no bias here btw

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

We'll probably get everyone from the Sal Leak.
Even if the leak is fake, with the exception of Chorus Kids.

Shulk's chances are actually somewhat low, without the leak to back him up.

 

[Second Power]

What is the minimum that you would need to make you happy with the roster?

One of Palutena, Shulk, and Ganon. Little Mac would be on this list, but he's already revealed. Saki and Dillon would be on this list but... disconfirmed, yeah.

 

[Louie G.]

Eh, I sort of agree with that. Kind of.

While I do think that the majority of remaining characters on the leak are likely regardless of the leak's legitimacy, I find it doubtful that we'd actually get all of them if the leak is fake.

I don't know, I had everyone (sans some of the revealed newcomers) on my roster before Leak 2 came out.
They have their merits outside of being from a seemingly legit leak.

So far all I've seen as evidence for K.Rool in Smash 4 is the Kremlings in Smash Run, I believe there's more evidence towards Ridley being playable than K. Rool.
no bias here btw

Ridley was outright teased as a boss.
K. Rool wasn't.
In terms of Rool it's more a matter of having nothing going against him at all.

@ TeenGirlSquad
Eh, I disagree.
Sure he could get the Isaac treatment, but it looks like Xenoblade could be something big.
And if it doesn't get big then Shulk could be the next Ness, which is very possible in my eyes.

 

[allison]

I really wanted Mega Man, Little Mac, Ridley, and K. Rool. We're halfway there, but I'm no longer optimistic about Ridley's chances.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Shulk is more unlikely than Chorus Kids.

Very obscure and expensive JRPG that didn't break a million vs a series that has a game that broken nearly 2 millions in Japan alone and has an arcade game port

He's a surprise in my book. Who the hell knows him?

 

[Morbi]

We'll probably get everyone from the Sal Leak.
Even if the leak is fake, with the exception of Chorus Kids.

K. Rool and Ridley look pretty promising too. Moreso K. Rool.

And Mewtwo if he counts. ESPECIALLY Mewtwo.

So I wouldn't worry about hype characters. There's a lot more to be revealed.

On another note, check out my Chorus Kids moveset!

Keep this in mind as you read: each attack triggers a 4/4 time signature metronome, to assist in keeping the beat.

B: Glee Club
The first Chorus Kid starts to sing, and pressing B in rhythm allows the other two to join in, sending blue shock waves in three directions. B can be held after the last kid joins in, which forms a sort of barrier around them. Letting go sends the sound waves shooting in their respective directions.

Side B: Love Lab
The Chorus Kids sway to a quick rhythm, passing a chemical-filled test tube down the line. Pressing Side-B in rhythm keeps the beaker moving, but losing the beat makes the kids drop the beaker. The last kid in line tosses the chemical to his side, hopefully hitting an opponent, and granting an effect. The chemical's effects are in a set order: Burn, Freeze, Pitfall (ground)/Meteor Smash (air).

Up B: Micro Row
Holding down Up-B causes the kids to be squashes down, and letting go causes them to shoot upward. Pressing Up-B in rhythm allows them to do this three times.

Down B: Tap Troupe
This attack's function is similar to DK's Down B. The Chorus Kids tap dance by stomping on the ground, causing a quake in the area surrounding them. To continue tapping, Down-B must be tapped in a syncopated pattern. Each round of tapping is completed by a powerful stomp. The tapping causes a quake with low knockback, while the stomp can send your opponents flying.

Final Smash: Rhythm Paradise
Much of the Rhythm Heaven cast comes in and tramples the opponents. Get creative with this one, imagine it yourself.
I personally imagine the Wrestler being among the cast on the ground, and the Blue Birds hitting the opponents from above.

And check out their support thread when you have the time.
I hear the guy who owns it is real cool.

If the leak is not real, I cannot imagine getting Pac-Man and Mii if we already have Wii Fit Trainer and Villager. After that, despite loving Little Mac and Chrom... it would become glaring overt that the roster is "bland." I mean, I reminisce about about the newcomers in Melee and Brawl. There were some great choices, I am not seeing those choices this time around if the Sal leak is true. No doubt the roster would be fine, the play-styles are the most relevant aspects of the newcomers, but the choices would just be collectively... repugnant.

 

[False Sense]

I don't know, I had everyone (sans some of the revealed newcomers) on my roster before Leak 2 came out.
They have their merits outside of being from a seemingly legit leak.

Oh, I certainly wasn't implying they didn't have their merits. I'm just saying that they aren't all shoo-ins even if the leak is fake. I think there's reason to doubt the inclusion of some of those characters.

 

[NickerBocker]

So far all I've seen as evidence for K.Rool in Smash 4 is the Kremlings in Smash Run, I believe there's more evidence towards Ridley being playable than K. Rool.
no bias here btw

He had a trophy in Melee and Brawl, both stating how extremly popular he is. Sakurai is very clearly aware of the popularity, and may add him as one of the requested characters. Thats probably one of the best reasons IMO.

How about DKC being one of Nintendos biggest franchises? (4th I believe?) Considering smaller franchises like Starfox, Metroid, Fire Emblem, Mother, etc. All have more or the same amount of characters, I find it to be pretty criminal.

I mean there is the chance that Dixie is put in, but I see a 3rd DK character as very, very likely.

 

[Louie G.]

If the leak is not real, I cannot imagine getting Pac-Man and Mii if we already have Wii Fit Trainer and Villager. After that, despite loving Little Mac and Chrom... it would become glaring overt that the roster is "bland." I mean, I reminisce about about the newcomers in Melee and Brawl. There were some great choices, I am not seeing those choices this time around if the Sal leak is true. No doubt the roster would be fine, the play-styles are the most relevant aspects of the newcomers, but the choices would just be collectively... repugnant.

I would argue that most of the choices so far bring more to the table than the a Melee newcomers.

Come at me.

For me it's not so much who gets in anymore, just how cool they look. And so far, the newcomers look great.

But when it comes to Mac, Palutena, Mewtwo, K. Rool, Ridley, and Chorus Men...
Then I do care about who gets in.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

I'm actually pretty hyped for Miis, I wanted them in Brawl TBH.

 

[Spinosaurus]

I honestly don't think K.Rool has anything going for him except for popularity in internet polls, and you know how well that went for Geno.

 

[Shagadelic_Baby]

Well, looks like I was wrong. I'm not a huge fan of the DK series, so, I wouldn't know.
But, about that thing about Ridley being a boss...

 

[Louie G.]

I honestly don't think K.Rool has anything going for him except for popularity in internet polls, and you know how well that went for Geno.

Sonic the freaking Hedgehog says hi.

Popularity can be quite important, to the point of delaying the game.
And Geno had crap going in his favor. He isn't even a Nintendo character or even important to Ninty.

@ Shagadelic_Baby
I'm a big Ridley supporter.
Trust me, I know everything in is favor and everything against him.

 

[False Sense]

I honestly don't think K.Rool has anything going for him except for popularity in internet polls, and you know how well that went for Geno.

...Did you just compare the main antagonist of the Donkey Kong series to Geno?

 

[Spinosaurus]

Sonic the freaking Hedgehog says hi.

But Sonic is an icon.

...Did you just compare the main antagonist of the Donkey Kong series to Geno?

He hasn't been the main antagonist since 1999. (Unless you wanna count the Paon games.)

Plus he's a weird case. He was never in a first party Nintendo game, although they own him.

 

[Morbi]

I would argue that most of the choices so far bring more to the table than the a Melee newcomers.

Come at me.

For me it's not so much who gets in anymore, just how cool they look. And so far, the newcomers look great.

But when it comes to Mac, Palutena, Mewtwo, K. Rool, Ridley, and Chorus Men...
Then I do care about who gets in.

I would come at you if you were not hiding behind a computer screen!
(Obligatory disclaimer: I am not really mad)

...Did you just compare the main antagonist of the Donkey Kong series to Geno?

He did not. He compared their internet polls results and empirical popularity.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

K. Rool is infinitely more likely than Geno, but that's not saying much.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Basically what I'm trying to say is that K.Rool really isn't as likely as many make him out to be.

I'll be more surprised if he got in than not, but eh.

 

[AncientTobacco]

I honestly don't think K.Rool has anything going for him except for popularity in internet polls, and you know how well that went for Geno.

Yes, yes; We're all aware of your bias against K. Rool.

 

[Morbi]

Basically what I'm trying to say is that K.Rool really isn't as likely as many make him out to be.

I'll be more surprised if he got in than not, but eh.

I agree with this sentiment wholeheartedly. I remember back when I first joined, he was apparently shoe-in. Of course, as we approach e3, their (King K. Rool supporters) confidence has dissipated.

 

[NickerBocker]

I find a 3rd DK character to be very very likely. For me, its gonna be Dixie or K Rool added to the roster for sure.

I would be shocked to see no DK addition.

 

[Pizzanigs]

If I remember correctly, wasn't Mario Super Sluggers developed by Namco...? Do you guys consider that a point in favor of K. Rool?

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

But Sonic is an icon.


He hasn't been the main antagonist since 1999. (Unless you wanna count the Paon games.)

Plus he's a weird case. He was never in a first party Nintendo game, although they own him.

I know Super Sluggers was developed by Namco, but does being published by Nintendo still make it first-party?

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[Spinosaurus]

Yes, yes; We're all aware of your bias against K. Rool.

I'm such a weird DKC fan.

I even forgot the guy existed until I joined this forum. The character is pretty much associated with this boards to me. When I think about him I think of this place, not DKC. Speaking on a personal level of course, but I never cared for him. Diddy brought the DKC love, so I don't need another one.

I know Super Sluggers was developed by Namco, but does being published by Nintendo still make it first-party?

Nah, it's still considered outsourced.

 

[Sonic Poke]

Sonic the freaking Hedgehog says hi.

And Mega Man says hello!

 

[Morbi]

I find a 3rd DK character to be very very likely. For me, its gonna be Dixie or K Rool added to the roster for sure.

I would be shocked to see no DK addition.

Dixie would have been WAY WAY WAY more ideal during their advertisement campaign for Tropical Freeze (or after, as the sales were pitiful). If she were to be revealed, it would have been then (in my professional opinion). I am no longer fearful of her inclusion.

King K. Rool is another story, of course.

 

[NickerBocker]

Dixie would have been WAY WAY WAY more ideal during their advertisement campaign for Tropical Freeze (or after, as the sales were pitiful). If she were to be revealed, it would have been then (in my professional opinion). I am no longer fearful of her inclusion.

King K. Rool is another story, of course.

My personal want would be K Rool in this game, and later we find out a 3rd DKC returns game comes out K Rool as the villain.

It would have been ideal to show Dixie sooner, but keep in mind that Greninja was shown way after the Pokemon X/Y release. Granted, that was most likely to figure out which pokemon became "hot."

 

[Bauske]

I have a topic.

What is the minimum that you would need to make you happy with the roster?

Personally I'd be held over with Little Mac, Mewtwo, and Palutena.

D'oh, I meant newcomer wise if you didn't get that already.

I'm pretty happy with the roster as it is. We got Little Mac, Rosalina, and the heavy hitter Mega Man. So long as we'd get most of the veterans back, and Mewtwo, I'd love the roster as is. The only other addition that would make it absolutely perfect for me would be the inclusion of Pac-Man.

 

[Spinosaurus]

My ideal 3rd DK rep is an arcade rep. (DK Jr maybe?)

Gymnastics, hammers, barrels, etc. I just feel like the arcade game deserves a rep since it's such an important part of Nintendo's history, like Game&Watch and ROB. Plus DK94 is a rad game that I'll never get tired of.

 

[Morbi]

My personal want would be K Rool in this game, and later we find out a 3rd DKC returns game comes out K Rool as the villain.

It would have been ideal to show Dixie sooner, but keep in mind that Greninja was shown way after the Pokemon X/Y release. Granted, that was most likely to figure out which pokemon became "hot."

Pokemon X and Y did not perform horrendously; did it not meet (exceed) expectations? Lucario was revealed before Greninja as well (as there are far more potential representatives). The two instances are not really comparable. I mean, Dixie Kong would have been the most ideal choice during Valentine's day, but we got Little Mac. To me, that indicates that she is not high on the priority list; sure, she could still be in the game. However, I do not see a logical reason to support that conclusion.

 

[ultimatekoopa]

Why does people consider ganon unlikely if I may ask?

 

[andimidna]

Shulk is more unlikely than Chorus Kids.

Very obscure and expensive JRPG that didn't break a million vs a series that has a game that broken nearly 2 millions in Japan alone and has an arcade game port

He's a surprise in my book. Who the hell knows him?

Shulk. Who the hell knows him?

I honestly don't think K.Rool has anything going for him except for popularity in internet polls, and you know how well that went for Geno.

and you know how well that went for Geno.

Shulk. Who the hell knows him?

Geno.

Shulk.

K.Rool

Geno.

I... I...
Well
Um...

There's already an unpopular opinions thread. Let's just change the subject to something more agreeable..
Let's talk about Palutena!

 

[Morbi]

Why does people consider ganon unlikely if I may ask?

Ganondorf was selected over Ganon when he had only made his initial appearance in OoT. Most assume that they are the same being, which they are, therefore it is redundant (unlike Toon Link, Sheik, or Toon Zelda, I presume). Ganon is also an aspect of Ganondorf's Final Smash, many do not believe that they will change the Final Smash; however, they have deluded themselves into believing that he is going to recieve an overhaul. An overhaul to everything but his Final Smash, apparently.

 

[ultimatekoopa]

I... I...
Well
Um...

There's already an unpopular opinions thread. Let's just change the subject to something more agreeable..
Let's talk about Palutena!

Why bother talking about her, we all know she is in at this point
@ Morbi It should be worthy to note that Ganondorf was a last minute clone, it would have been very hard for Sakurai to give Ganon the moveset of Falcon or any other guy, that could be a reason of why we got ganondorf over ganon, a lot of final smashed had been changed, Ganondorf could easily have a new one, I'd say Ganon is easily the most likely zelda newcomer at this point