Character Discussion Thread

[Spinosaurus]

Another reason why I think the Toon Link comparison isn't exactly the best is that Sakurai never, ever commented on it (AFAIK) prior to Toon Link's reveal. It wasn't until the Alfonzo picture that he said anything about that, did he?

In Ridley's case, his comment made it less ambiguous. Moreover, wouldn't it be a better "troll" to show people Boss Ridley and then reveal playable Ridley saying nothing? Granted it's a newcomer vs veteran, and there's also the chance that the Ridley we saw wasn't a boss. (Though I really doubt that.)


Gah, there's just so many possibilities to consider that it's best to just wait for E3. Ridley's case will hopefully be known in just a little over a week.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

So I wanted to get away from the Ridley thread and have a non-Ridley Smash 4 discussion. So naturally, I come here.
What do I get? Ridley discussion.

*sigh*

Any new topics that haven't been beaten to death?
Toon Ganondorf maybe?

 

[Niala]

Went out for a bit, (posting from my phone) will respond as necessary when I get home. Thanks for all the responses though, I very much enjoy reading various opinions.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Drifting away from the shadow discussion, I'm wondering what Ridley's playstyle could be like.

I saw suggestions about him being an aerial grappler, which sounds neat, but Smash needs its own proper grappler first imo. Any suggestions? I'm honestly drawing blank.

 

[allison]

Drifting away from the shadow discussion, I'm wondering what Ridley's playstyle could be like.

I saw suggestions about him being an aerial grappler, which sounds neat, but Smash needs its own proper grappler first imo. Any suggestions? I'm honestly drawing blank.

Shameless plug

 

[Bowserlick]

Aerial heavyweight. A big target on the ground with mid-range tail and biting attacks that have to be spaced, but a more fluid aerial game. Perhaps he should have only one jump, but Up B can be a Fly mode which propels him upwards and gives him three jumps. Cannot be reused until he hits the ground.

He is best at attacking grounded opponents from the air, so as a fireball that travels down at an angle and explodes when it contacts a floor or wall.

 

[Narwalgod]

And here it is. My officially unofficial dream wish prediction roster of playable characters for SSB4, with a 50 slot version, and a 55 slot version. Enjoy with caution, overanalyzation may induce severe rage.

50 SLOT ROOSTER
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Rosalina
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
King K. Rool
Yoshi
Wario
Link
Zelda
Ganondorf
Toon Link
Sheik
Samus
Zero Suit Sammy
Ridley
Pit
Palutena
Pikachu
Lucario
Charizard
Greninja
Mewtwo
Jigglypuff
Little Mac
Villager
Wii Fit Trainer
Marth
Ike
Chrom
Ness
Lucas
Fox
Falco
Wolf
C. Falcon
Olimar & Pikmin
Kirby
Dedede
Meta Knight
Ice Climbers
R.O.B
Game & Watch
Shulk
Sonic
Mega Man
Snake
Pac-Man or Lloyd Irving

55 SLOT ROSTER
All characters in roster above plus:
Geno
Vaati
Iassac
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Slime or Black Mage

Wait,wait,wait....

Slime gets in before Robin?!

 

[NickerBocker]

Drifting away from the shadow discussion, I'm wondering what Ridley's playstyle could be like.

I saw suggestions about him being an aerial grappler, which sounds neat, but Smash needs its own proper grappler first imo. Any suggestions? I'm honestly drawing blank.

There are grappling moves, such as Bowsers and Diddys side b, but they arent exactly "grapples" as there is a set animation once it lands. It would be cool to see these moves give different options than a traditional grapple. For example, Bowsers side-b could allow a different type of pummeling, as well as different throws or effects.

Now for Ridley, he would obviously be a heavily aerial character. I could see some aerial grappling moves work, but they would most likely function like the ones we have now (initiate, land, animation, auto throw.) I dont think it would take up a big part of his move set, but I could see him having an aerial and a ground grapple.

I personally think a Ridley moveset would be focusing on long range melee attacks, and the main focus would be spacing and keeping the opponent in the air. Take some of the moves from both his boss battle fights and thats a recipe for success. I would be most excited for the taildrag move, which could rack up damage and launch opponents slightly to begin a combo.

 

[Spinosaurus]

I think for the most part "heavy aerial fighter" or "anti-Little Mac" sounds a bit too close to Jigglypuff to me, except she isn't a heavyweight with better range.

Shameless plug

This is very good though. I like it.

 

[Glyphoscythe]

Ganondorf is getting revamped...as a Zangief style grappler!

 

[allison]

This is very good though. I like it.

Thanks! I had the idea of him being an aerial grappler, but I disliked the idea of just having generic single-throw grabs and calling it a day. So, I completely altered the mechanics of his normal Z grab to be more optimized for aerial grappling.


...AND gave him generic single-throw grabs!

 

[Spinosaurus]

Ganondorf is getting revamped...as a Zangief style grappler!

If VGCW Ganondorf happens in Smash then I'll be a happy man.

"Pathetic little jobber! Do you realize who you are dealing with!? I am Ganondorf! And soon, I will rule the world!"

 

[Rockaphin]

So... How about that Wolf vs Falco debate?
Because, obviously, we just can't have both. No way!

 

[Louie G.]

I have a topic.

What is the minimum that you would need to make you happy with the roster?

Personally I'd be held over with Little Mac, Mewtwo, and Palutena.

D'oh, I meant newcomer wise if you didn't get that already.

 

[Deleted member]

A character I enjoy playing, or makes me hype. Literally just one character can sell me. The rest of the roster can be awfully bland Chroms, but if there is one character I enjoy playing, all is forgiven. In this case, I'm quite excited for Greninja. He was the character that I never knew I wanted until he was revealed, and then made more sense the more I thought about it. I guess I'm sold already then .

 

[Spinosaurus]

Newcomers? Just Little Mac, so I'm happy already.

I said that the one other rep that would make me extremely happy would be a "Rhythm Heaven rep". This is was before we even knew we're gonna get something for E3 2013. I didn't think there was a chance though so imagine my excitement seeing the Gematsu list lol.

 

[Morbi]

I have a topic.

What is the minimum that you would need to make you happy with the roster?

Personally I'd be held over with Little Mac, Mewtwo, and Palutena.

The minimum would have to be the Original 12. That was what got me interested in the game over a decade ago, and though my standards have changed, I cannot reasonably alter the minimum because of that.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Newcomers? Just Little Mac, so I'm happy already.

I said that the one other rep that would make me extremely happy would be a "Rhythm Heaven rep". This is was before we even knew we're gonna get something for E3 2013. I didn't think there was a chance though so imagine my excitement seeing the Gematsu list lol.

Interesting. You were one of the supporters long before the leak, huh.

 

[False Sense]

I have a topic.

What is the minimum that you would need to make you happy with the roster?

Personally I'd be held over with Little Mac, Mewtwo, and Palutena.

The absolute minimum for me would be Mewtwo; I want him in more than any other character. Although for me to be truly happy with the overall roster, I suppose it would also have to include Ridley, King K. Rool, and Robin. Perhaps that's too much to ask, though...

 

[BluePikmin11]

Ganon or Kawashima or Sable would make me very happy about the Smash roster, I like to see the "unlikely" make it.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Interesting. You were one of the supporters long before the leak, huh.

Yeah. I would have been happy enough with a stage truthfully, but I still always thought about how cool it would have been if if it was a character. lol

Whenever someone asked me who I wanted before, I always said "Lil Mac cuz I box and I love Punch Out, but I'd really love a Rhythm Heaven character too!". It's one of my favorite gaming series, so yeah.

 

[Louie G.]

Ganon or Kawashima or Sable would make me very happy about the Smash roster, I like to see the "unlikely" make it.

I don't mean to be "that guy"...

But you've already seen a bunch of "unlikely characters".

When Chorus Men are revealed it'll be 5 unexpected additions.

 

[Morbi]

Ganon or Kawashima or Sable would make me very happy about the Smash roster, I like to see the "unlikely" make it.

If those characters are your "minimum," you are just a little screwed... kind of.

 

[BluePikmin11]

There can be more of them if that's what Sakurai is planning to do.

 

[Morbi]

There can be more of them if that's what Sakurai is planning to do.

I agree, we are bound to get a few more "unexpected/unlikely" characters. I can only hope that they are characters like Robin or King K. Rool. That being said, I would not mind Sable or Kawashima. It saddens me that Ganon is considered unlikely. If I told myself, prior to Melee's release, that Ganondorf was in the game over Ganon... I would have laughed... and laughed... and laughed... and then I would have cried.

 

[Louie G.]

There can be more of them if that's what Sakurai is planning to do.

Well he did plan to do it.

And he showed us a whole bunch of them.

If someone showed off our current roster before E3 2013, everyone would think they're insane. Wii Fit Trainer? Greninja? Rosalina over Bowser Jr? Nope.
But now we are all used to these choices and have grown to accept them. I've loved all of them from the moment I saw them, but that's a different story. We are used to their addition already, and it no longer strikes us as strange.

Our roster is filled with surprises.
There may be one or two more down the line, and if we get Chorus Men I will bet that it is the last major surprise we get.

Believe it or not people want the expected. Sakurai knows what we want, he's just holding back on it.
The major choices are coming very very soon, you'll see.

And I got a little sidetracked, but eh.

 

[NickerBocker]

I have a topic.

What is the minimum that you would need to make you happy with the roster?

Personally I'd be held over with Little Mac, Mewtwo, and Palutena.

D'oh, I meant newcomer wise if you didn't get that already.

I would be satisfied with Little Mac (yay,) Mewtwo, Megaman (yay) and King K Rool. Im happy with what we have so far, but K Rool will be the only thing that will jump me up a hype level. Mewtwo could do it too.

Of course, I have pipe dreams, like many of you, that would literally break me, such as Ganbare Goemon, but I know he wont happen.

 

[Morbi]

Well he did plan to do it.

And he showed us a whole bunch of them.

If someone showed off our current roster before E3 2013, everyone would think they're insane. Wii Fit Trainer? Greninja? Rosalina over Bowser Jr? Nope.
But now we are all used to these choices and have grown to accept them. I've loved all of them from the moment I saw them, but that's a different story. We are used to their addition already, and it no longer strikes us as strange.

Our roster is filled with surprises.
There may be one or two more down the line, and if we get Chorus Men I will bet that it is the last major surprise we get.

Believe it or not people want the expected. Sakurai knows what we want, he's just holding back on it.
The major choices are coming very very soon, you'll see.

And I got a little sidetracked, but eh.

Rosalina was always the more ideal choice, or at least that was how I felt. It should have been "Rosalina over Toad, no way!" But that would insinuate that prominence, prevalence, playable status, and iconic status actually meant something. However, I agree. The expected are the e3 reveals as the expected are the ones that incite the hype.

 

[BluePikmin11]

There's also Layton that would make me fully satisfied in the roster..

I agree, we are bound to get a few more "unexpected/unlikely" characters. I can only hope that they are characters like Robin or King K. Rool. That being said, I would not mind Sable or Kawashima. It saddens me that Ganon is considered unlikely. If I told myself, prior to Melee's release, that Ganondorf was in the game over Ganon... I would have laughed... and laughed... and laughed... and then I would have cried.

At least the situation of bringing in clones last minute was understandable at the very least.

Well he did plan to do it.

And he showed us a whole bunch of them.

If someone showed off our current roster before E3 2013, everyone would think they're insane. Wii Fit Trainer? Greninja? Rosalina over Bowser Jr? Nope.
But now we are all used to these choices and have grown to accept them. I've loved all of them from the moment I saw them, but that's a different story. We are used to their addition already, and it no longer strikes us as strange.

Our roster is filled with surprises.
There may be one or two more down the line, and if we get Chorus Men I will bet that it is the last major surprise we get.

Believe it or not people want the expected. Sakurai knows what we want, he's just holding back on it.
The major choices are coming very very soon, you'll see.

And I got a little sidetracked, but eh.

We'll get some of the right "expected" newcomers for sure, Pac-Man for sure is coming real soon I feel.

 

[AncientTobacco]

When Chorus Men are revealed it'll be 5 unexpected additions.

Well someone's awfully confident.

I'm just gonna state this clearly right now since there's only about a week left 'til E3: I think the Gematsu leak is fake.

 

[Louie G.]

Rosalina was always the more ideal choice, or at least that was how I felt. It should have been "Rosalina over Toad, no way!" But that would insinuate that prominence, prevalence, playable status, and iconic status actually meant something. However, I agree. The expected are the e3 reveals as the expected are the ones that incite the hype.

I've never liked Bowser Jr. anyway, he just seemed like the popular choice before Rosalina's reveal.

And I'm expecting a big hype newcomer (or veteran, hint hint) at E3 this year, or two.
If we had to have one major hype inducer it would be Mewtwo.

Well someone's awfully confident.

I'm just gonna state this clearly right now since there's only about a week left 'til E3: I think the Gematsu leak is fake.

I knew someone was gonna comment on that.
I'm not 100% on Gematsu but I think there's too much going for it and not enough going against it.
Ergo, I believe it.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Do you have something against people thinking the leak is real? Just wondering, because I always see you getting annoyed about that and I don't know why lol.

 

[Morbi]

Well someone's awfully confident.

I'm just gonna state this clearly right now since there's only about a week left 'til E3: I think the Gematsu leak is fake.

I am going to join you in your cause good sir, put this on the record; the Gematsu leak if fake.

 

[False Sense]

I am going to join you in your cause good sir, put this on the record; the Gematsu leak if fake.

I believe you meant to say "is," but I agree with the previous statements. Is there going to be an official Gematsu Leak Sceptic Club soon?

 

[Morbi]

I believe you meant to say "is," but I agree with the previous statements. Is there going to be an official Gematsu Leak Sceptic Club soon?

Yes; of course, a glorious typo. But I also believe the Gematsu leak if fake too! To prove this notion, I am going to play it off with an emoticon.

 

[NickerBocker]

I have a feeling Sakurai has dropped a lot of the surprise characters earlier so that its not as "disappointing" for people closer to release (disappointing is not the word I would like to use, but I think it is more hype inducing to show off the popular characters closer to release.)

Imagine if we got K Rool, Ridley and Mewtwo at E3 2013 and then the E3 2013 lineup next week. People would not be happy with seeing WTF characters this late in the game. There will probably still be another 1 or 2, but if yhe rest of the roster is nothing but surprises, I can honestly say I would be disappointed.

 

[Pega-pony Princess]

I have a topic.

What is the minimum that you would need to make you happy with the roster?

Personally I'd be held over with Little Mac, Mewtwo, and Palutena.

D'oh, I meant newcomer wise if you didn't get that already.

Besides the guys we have right now, I'd have to say Shulk.

 

[Morbi]

I have a feeling Sakurai has dropped a lot of the surprise characters earlier so that its not as "disappointing" for people closer to release (disappointing is not the word I would like to use, but I think it is more hype inducing to show off the popular characters closer to release.)

Imagine if we got K Rool, Ridley and Mewtwo at E3 2013 and then the E3 2013 lineup next week. People would not be happy with seeing WTF characters this late in the game. There will probably still be another 1 or 2, but if yhe rest of the roster is nothing but surprises, I can honestly say I would be disappointed.

I agree with this sentiment, but at the same time, I do not believe that we are done with surprise characters either. Obviously the good ones are coming, and obviously Wii Fit (and the like) were revealed earlier to mitigate some of the disappointment. But I doubt all of our dreams will come true just because some characters are out of the way.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

I have a topic.

What is the minimum that you would need to make you happy with the roster?

Personally I'd be held over with Little Mac, Mewtwo, and Palutena.

D'oh, I meant newcomer wise if you didn't get that already.

Ness, Lucas, Mr. Game & Watch, Mewtwo, Ridley, Pac-Man, Mii.

 

[NickerBocker]

I agree with this sentiment, but at the same time, I do not believe that we are done with surprise characters either. Obviously the good ones are coming, and obviously Wii Fit (and the like) were revealed earlier to mitigate some of the disappointment. But I doubt all of our dreams will come true just because some characters are out of the way.

Ya there will most likely be a few more surprises, but im thinking some of our wishes will be fulfilled. This game is nothing but fan service, and to deny fans the service of including the general populations most wanted characters would be a little foolish if you ask me.

Dont get me wrong, I loved the surprises we have gotten so far. I have never gotten so disappointed and then excited about a character when he showed WFT. Initially, she was pretty blah. After seeing some moves, I was pretty happy.

When you think about how excited people got over characters like Little Mac and Megaman, it is hard to reach that level hype with a WTF character, or at least for me. Again, this game is all about fanservice, so there needs to be some additions that actually reflect the wants of Nintendo fans.