Character Discussion Thread

[Invisible Shiny Bulbasaur]

I meant that he's like Zant in that they were both a puppet to the real main villain and won't be in another game. I also can not stand him. He's hella ugly and annoyed the hell out of me the moment i first saw him.

I tend to agree. I couldn't take him seriously as a villain. I think it was the white lipstick. And the hair. And the outfit. And the silly dialogue.
But I haven't liked most of the recent Zelda villains. Zant, Ghirahim, Yuga... Tingle.
Someone on the Zelda character design team must have some deep seeded fixation with clowns/mimes/circus folk.
It is not a fixation I share.

 

[Morbi]

Wario, Meta Knight, Ness, Lucas, Jigglypuff, ROB, Falco, Wolf, Game&Watch and Captain Falcon are guaranteed.

Confident Mewtwo is back as well.

Ganondorf isn't guaranteed? By the gods, I hope you support Ganon.

 

[Kenith]

I tend to agree. I couldn't take him seriously as a villain. I think it was the white lipstick.
But I haven't liked most of the recent Zelda villains. Zant, Ghirahim, Yuga... Tingle.
Someone on the Zelda character design team must have some deep seeded fixation with clowns/mimes/circus folk.
It is not a fixation I share.

That is true. But to be fair, I have no idea what this has to do with their chances.

 

[praline]

Is one of the others Tharja?

Nah. I'd be cool with Tharja in the game in any form. I could see her being an AT. Her being playable is a pipe dream at most.

 

[Kenith]

Nah. I'd be cool with Tharja in the game in any form. I could see her being an AT. Her being playable is a pipe dream at most.

I was trolling you

 

[praline]

I was trolling you

Nice attempt.

I tend to agree. I couldn't take him seriously as a villain. I think it was the white lipstick.
But I haven't liked most of the recent Zelda villains. Zant, Ghirahim, Yuga... Tingle.
Someone on the Zelda character design team must have some deep seeded fixation with clowns/mimes/circus folk.
It is not a fixation I share.

Clowns terrify me.

 

[Headcrab Jackalope]

PREDICTION (with a dash of WANT) ROSTER
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My roster is TOO BIG!
lawl i no
I mean, that's 55 characters!
But I'm too indecisive and too attached too the less likely of the bunch that I can't get myself to make it smaller.
Newcomers-
I have removed the Gematsu Leak's presence from my roster. I... no thanks. It's only worth it for Shulk. Palutena is already in. The rest of them are neutral to bad.
Rosalina- yay
Dixie Kong and K Rool- I want a dual reveal of this. Just imagine, both sides, oh... the hype... DK is (I believe) the 4th most iconic and best-selling Nintendo franchise. And while it's representation in Smash 64 was good enough (still at it's minimum though) ... Melee and Brawl needed more. Let's make up for that time we lost, the time we could have been playing as Diddy in Melee, and K Rool in Brawl. I just need both, Sakurai, pls!
Ghirahim- He's the current popular character of the series with a lot of great moveset potential. He's no guarantee, but he's the one being requested, at least, more so than the others. I've pretty much lost hope in every other Zelda character (But I'd say Impa, Tetra, Ganon, and Tingle have only just below a 10% chance, so they're not too off). His biggest competition IMO is without a doubt, no Zelda newcomer. Which would piss me off. Toon Link was an upgraded Young Link, who was a shorter OoT Link. I refuse to call him a newcomer. And since Sheik was part of Zelda, and has only become her own character in her 3rd appearance as a veteran, and Falcondorf was Falcondorf, in my eyes, the most recent NEWcomer to the Zelda cast was Princess Zelda herself. And that was a long time ago. I'm still waiting, Sakurai, still... waiting....
Ridley- he's Ridley, in case you've forgotten.
Shulk and Isaac- I don't feel like anybody is going to look at my roster and yell at me for having these 2, so... no reasons.
Villager, WFT, Little Mac- yay
Mach Rider- Alright. I really don't know about this one. I'm not super attached, so if I get complaints, I'll change. But for now, this is really just my retro slot. It can also be Takamaru or a Historical Retro, just pretend whoever you want to be here is in this slot. I'm not going to argue him, I just always saw him as the 3rd choice after Takamaru and Lip pre-direct, and I lost hope in Takamaru because somebody as new as Greninja would have probably been close to the last newcomer added. And if they gave all of those moves to Greninja w/o a 2nd thought, then they probably didn't already exist on the roster. I like the theory that he already has a new game in development, that gives him a bunch of new moves, therefore, those aren't him anymore, or something along those lines, but I don't know how likely that is. And Lip because of Lip's Stick of course. So Mach Rider now seems like either the top pick or tied with Takamaru for the popular retro slot, but I'm starting to think that a historical newcomer is more likely, but... I thought Daitoryo was the frontrunner in that category, and he's technically done now... so I just don't know. Pls help meehhh.
Greninja and Palutena- yay
Chrom and Anna- I think Chrom's in, and there's not much I can do about that, I don't really care, honestly, i mean, if they decided to make him unique by pairing him up with Lucina, I'd be actually very hyped by his reveal. That would pretty difficult to accomplish, I'd have much more respect for Sakurai if he took that turn instead of giving us a Luigi-fied Mark... I mean Irthe. And as for Anna, I think Robin is more likely, but she's been added mostly out of personal bias, I love her. But I have been seeing a few things that have been keeping me thinking this isn't too crazy. Well, I do have to admit that she is probably the least likely character on my roster.
Mega Man and Pac-Man- yay

Considering (some as replacements, some as additions): Bowser Jr, Andy, Chibi Robo, Krystal, Takamaru, Diskun, Sheriff, Robin, Sceptile, and Bayonetta
*Note that- the chances of the characters above fluctuate quite a bit... they aren't grouped by being in the same 10% range of likelihood, but are who I consider the 10 most likely characters not on my roster, not in that order.

Wow... 16 newcomers... I'm a bit hopeful, aren't I?
Oh well...
Veterans not returning on roster:
Red
Squirtle
Ivysaur
Roy
Dr. Mario
Pichu
technically OoT Young Link too

Considering: Snake...
I don't want to cut him but I'm not counting it out as a possibility...

So I guess I'd ask for a couple of responses to this...
1. Would you be happy with this roster, as in, not looking at likelihood and instead at satisfaction?
2. Ehh... Overall suggestions I guess... I'd rather not remove Ghirahim and Anna btw
3. A RETRO CHARACTER DISCUSSION - I don't know who to pick!

And I'll be updating this with certain icons I like more soon...

Iz gud roster.

No seriously.

Not even my irrational hate of Mewtwo can make me not like this roster. I mean you have Ridley, K. Rool, Anna, Shulk, and Ghirahim. How can I not like it?

11/10 would play

MY ROSTER IS STILL BIGGER THO

 

[Kenith]

Well, it's very clear that there are some Ghirahim here, so it's time to discuss my second most wanted character.

Lucina

 

[Spinosaurus]

Ganondorf isn't guaranteed? By the gods, I hope you support Ganon.

...I forgot he's still not confirmed.

 

[Morbi]

Nice attempt.


Clowns terrify me.

So we found the root of your problem! You are repulsed by clowns; therefore, that someone from the Zelda character design team that is fixated with clowns created a clown based character that also disturbs you. You believe that he is repugnant even though he is sexy, his "grotesque" design is opposed by you as it frightens you. You will not accept objective fact (that he is fabulous) so you decided to speculate against him in regards to Smash Brothers.

 

[praline]

Hotel Mario Mario?

So we found the root of your problem! You are repulsed by clowns; therefore, that someone from the Zelda character design team that is fixated with clowns created a clown based character that also disturbs you. You believe that he is repugnant even though he is sexy, his "grotesque" design is opposed by you as it frightens you. You will not accept objective fact (that he is fabulous) so you decided to speculate against him in regards to Smash Brothers.

Nah man I like Rudy the Clown and he's well.. a clown

 

[Invisible Shiny Bulbasaur]

That is true. But to be fair, I have no idea what this has to do with their chances.

Oh, nothing whatever. Just because I don't like a character doesn't make them less likely or worthy of being in the game.
I was just agreeing that I don't like him and would rather see others.
If he got in though I wouldn't freak out. I can appreciate that others like him.

 

[Kenith]

Oh, nothing whatever. Just because I don't like a character doesn't make them less likely or worthy of being in the game.
I was just agreeing that I don't like him and would rather see others.
If he got in though I wouldn't freak out. I can appreciate that others like him.

There are lot less haters than there are propagandists.

 

[Dark Phazon]

No guys..seriously...when was it announced that they will be a 90 min Smash direct at E3?

 

[Invisible Shiny Bulbasaur]

Nice attempt.


Clowns terrify me.

I'm sorry.

It's the spider enemies that gross me out.

 

[Morbi]

No guys..seriously...when was it announced that they will be a 90 min Smash direct at E3?

The Smash Round Table Q&A (which is at e3) is and hour and a half. The Digital Events duration has not been announced at this time (if I am not mistaken).

 

[False Sense]

Pls. Please maik this. Vets interest me more than a Zelda newcomer or a FE newcomer at the moment.

Certainly. So, here are the veterans I believe are virtually guaranteed to return:

Meta Knight: This picture. I'm going to be referring to that one a lot, mind you. This is a bit of concept art Sakurai posted on twitter. Here, we can see a number of veterans who were previously in Smash, including ones that have yet to be confirmed. With the confirmation of Zero Suit Samus, probably the least likely to return out of all the characters on the concept art (that's not to say she was unlikely at all; just that she was the least likely in that group of very likely characters), I think the picture is solid evidence in the favor of the remaining characters. Now, in regards to Meta Knight, not only is he part of this concept art, but the Halberd stage, a stage that is very closely tied to him, is returning. Add all that to a character who literally has no reason to be cut, and I think we have a character who's return is practically assured at this point.

Wario: Wario is another character who appeared in that concept art, which gives him a very strong case to return right off the bat. Couple that with the presence of the Ashley and Waluigi Assist Trophies, both of which have the Wario symbol, and Wario is a near guarantee.

Mr. Game&Watch: Again, another character who appeared in that concept art. There isn't exactly much else in terms of evidence, but I think this is enough to say he's safe.

Captain Falcon: Samurai Goroh returns as an Assist Trophy. I don't think there's any reason to doubt Captain Falcon now (not that there ever was).

Ice Climbers: The Polar Bears from Ice Climbers appear as enemies in Smash Run. Despite the Ice Climbers presenting some technical difficulties, I'm quite confident that those issues have been fixed and that they will return once again.

Ganondorf: Link and Zelda retain their Twilight Princess designs, despite Skyward Sword being the more recent game that is clearly being heavily referenced in Smash. This would indicate that Ganondorf, a character who did not appear in Skyward Sword, is returning, as otherwise there wouldn't be much reason to not update Link and Zelda to match their more recent appearance. (Thanks to @ Morbi for pointing this out)

Jigglypuff: A rather interesting observation regarding the sleep mechanic in the game strongly suggests that Jigglypuff is returning. This observation is explained here, in better detail than I could provide. (Thanks to @ True Blue Warrior for bringing this to my attention, and @LancerStaff for making the original post.)

At least one of either Ness or Lucas: There are Mother themed items present in the game. Unfortunately, this doesn't really tell us which one of Ness or Lucas is returning, but I do think it's evidence enough to show that at least one of them is. If it is only one, I would say it'd be Ness. However, I'm thinking both will be back regardless.

Well, I think that's about everyone I think, based on actual evidence, is virtually a guarantee. I see no reason to doubt any of these characters I listed. So, would you all say my list is accurate? Anything you disagree on?

 

[Dark Phazon]

The Smash Round Table Q&A (which is at e3) is and hour and a half. The Digital Events duration has not been announced at this time (if I am not mistaken).

That a crappy Q&A with media jerks not a direct that guy lied to me/US!!! Even!
...
.
.

 

[Kenith]

I think Wolf has a stronger case than Lucas.

 

[andimidna]

I meant that he's like Zant in that they were both a puppet to the real main villain

Slightly accurate. Zant was a bit more of what you'd call a "puppet"
He was insane and alone and Ganondorf just used him for his own benefit.
Ghirahim was loyal to his master and wanted to revive him based off of his own thoughts- he actually thought for himself and had his own actions.
Whereas Zant might have actually been controlled by Ganondorf once his "power was housed within him", this is what I think of when I hear "puppet"... he was basically attached to Ganondorf's strings as Ganondorf made all of the decisions.
It's more accurate to just say neither were the final boss, but I don't think that hurts Ghirahim , that was just the story of the game, nobody really cares about Demise. I think Ghirahim would be added if Sakurai sees his requests, as he is the most requested Zelda character from what I've seen, I don't think he'll be added because he's a villain in the recent 3d Zelda, and only if I did, would I consider Demise and Zant to be legitimate competition to Ghirahim.
And I definitely don't have a bias against Zant, I own is thread, even if I still haven't updated it, I own it.

and won't be in another game.

This is purely an assumption. There is nothing pointing either way. We don't even have a trailer for Zelda U yet. We just can't make this assumption after years of reincarnations and revivals... we've seen it happen too many times in the past to count it out. Especially when were talking about a game where not only magic is involved, but the powerful triforce too. He has not been given the proper chance to return yet. He debuted in 2011 and wouldn't have made any sense in the only Zelda since then, ALBW. ALBW was originally planned as an ALttP remake, so the "majority" of the game is recycled content remade to fit the 3ds's look... and I put majority in quotes as it is a different story, and there are some areas moved around, but the dungeon bosses are all pretty much familiar, and then there's Yuga. So I guess it can be argued that Ghirahim could have been in Yuga's place, but that really doesn't mean much. He is pretty similar to Yuga, some of the same looks, character-type, part of their story and objective is similar... but that's far from enough to make a full judgement call on Ghirahim's recurrence for years and years of Zelda games in the future.
May I remind you that Aonuma once said some thing like... "Given the way Twilight Princess ended, I don't think Midna will make a return, but if enough fans are requesting it, how could we not?"
That's enough to prove, if they make a character and that character sells, and is successful, and is very popular amongst the Zelda fanbase, they can re-write the story and put them in. Somebody dies? Somebody is sealed away "forever"? Write 'em back.
Remember when the Master Sword was sealed away forever in ALttP? All it took was, to be as basic and vague as possible, anything magical more powerful than the seal. Which ended up just being the same sort of thing as ALttP and OoT... in a series like Zelda, you really can't count anything out as a possibility.

I also can not stand him.

Well, that's subjective, but I can't argue about this. He wasn't really a "safe" character. A male villain with a fabulous feminine, eccentric personality isn't going to appeal to everybody. I'd say a more "safe" character would be Ganon or Vaati, an all-powerful villain that wants to destroy, take over, that sort of thing. I just wanted to say, I get why he's not everybody's favorite.

He's hella ugly and annoyed the hell out of me the moment i first saw him.

Another subjective opinion. So this doesn't hurt his chances, but like I said before, if he's not your cup of tea then he's not your cup of tea...
And that's perfectly fine. But I do like him, and I think his chances are a bit higher than the majority gives him credit for.

I wrote too much to want to re-read it, hopefully it's not a mess

 

[praline]

Slightly accurate. Zant was a bit more of what you'd call a "puppet"
He was insane and alone and Ganondorf just used him for his own benefit.
Ghirahim was loyal to his master and wanted to revive him based off of his own thoughts- he actually thought for himself and had his own actions.
Whereas Zant might have actually been controlled by Ganondorf once his "power was housed within him", this is what I think of when I hear "puppet"... he was basically attached to Ganondorf's strings as Ganondorf made all of the decisions.
It's more accurate to just say neither were the final boss, but I don't think that hurts Ghirahim , that was just the story of the game, nobody really cares about Demise. I think Ghirahim would be added if Sakurai sees his requests, as he is the most requested Zelda character from what I've seen, I don't think he'll be added because he's a villain in the recent 3d Zelda, and only if I did, would I consider Demise and Zant to be legitimate competition to Ghirahim.
And I definitely don't have a bias against Zant, I own is thread, even if I still haven't updated it, I own it.

This is purely an assumption. There is nothing pointing either way. We don't even have a trailer for Zelda U yet. We just can't make this assumption after years of reincarnations and revivals... we've seen it happen too many times in the past to count it out. Especially when were talking about a game where not only magic is involved, but the powerful triforce too. He has not been given the proper chance to return yet. He debuted in 2011 and wouldn't have made any sense in the only Zelda since then, ALBW. ALBW was originally planned as an ALttP remake, so the "majority" of the game is recycled content remade to fit the 3ds's look... and I put majority in quotes as it is a different story, and there are some areas moved around, but the dungeon bosses are all pretty much familiar, and then there's Yuga. So I guess it can be argued that Ghirahim could have been in Yuga's place, but that really doesn't mean much. He is pretty similar to Yuga, some of the same looks, character-type, part of their story and objective is similar... but that's far from enough to make a full judgement call on Ghirahim's recurrence for years and years of Zelda games in the future.
May I remind you that Aonuma once said some thing like... "Given the way Twilight Princess ended, I don't think Midna will make a return, but if enough fans are requesting it, how could we not?"
That's enough to prove, if they make a character and that character sells, and is successful, and is very popular amongst the Zelda fanbase, they can re-write the story and put them in. Somebody dies? Somebody is sealed away "forever"? Write 'em back.
Remember when the Master Sword was sealed away forever in ALttP? All it took was, to be as basic and vague as possible, anything magical more powerful than the seal. Which ended up just being the same sort of thing as ALttP and OoT... in a series like Zelda, you really can't count anything out as a possibility.

Well, that's subjective, but I can't argue about this. He wasn't really a "safe" character. A male villain with a fabulous feminine, eccentric personality isn't going to appeal to everybody. I'd say a more "safe" character would be Ganon or Vaati, an all-powerful villain that wants to destroy, take over, that sort of thing. I just wanted to say, I get why he's not everybody's favorite.

Another subjective opinion. So this doesn't hurt his chances, but like I said before, if he's not your cup of tea then he's not your cup of tea...
And that's perfectly fine. But I do like him, and I think his chances are a bit higher than the majority gives him credit for.

I wrote too much to want to re-read it, hopefully it's not a mess

That's too much to read... but I will say that I never meant "He's not getting in cause I don't want him"... I just don't want him...

 

[Morbi]

Certainly. So, here are the veterans I believe are virtually guaranteed to return:

Meta Knight: This picture. I'm going to be referring to that one a lot, mind you. This is a bit of concept art Sakurai posted on twitter. Here, we can see a number of veterans who were previously in Smash, including ones that have yet to be confirmed. With the confirmation of Zero Suit Samus, probably the least likely to return out of all the characters on the concept art (that's not to say she was unlikely at all; just that she was the least likely in that group of very likely characters), I think the picture is solid evidence in the favor of the remaining characters. Now, in regards to Meta Knight, not only is he part of this concept art, but the Halberd stage, a stage that is very closely tied to him, is returning. Add all that to a character who literally has no reason to be cut, and I think we have a character who's return is practically assured at this point.

Wario: Wario is another character who appeared in that concept art, which gives him a very strong case to return right off the bat. Couple that with the presence of the Ashley and Waluigi Assist Trophies, both of which have the Wario symbol, and Wario is a near guarantee.

Mr. Game&Watch: Again, another character who appeared in that concept art. There isn't exactly much else in terms of evidence, but I think this is enough to say he's safe.

Captain Falcon: Samurai Goroh returns as an Assist Trophy. I don't think there's any reason to doubt Captain Falcon now (not that there ever was).

Ice Climbers: The Polar Bears from Ice Climbers appear as enemies in Smash Run. Despite the Ice Climbers presenting some technical difficulties, I'm quite confident that those issues have been fixed and that they will return once again.

At least one of either Ness or Lucas: There are Mother themed items present in the game. Unfortunately, this doesn't really tell us which one of Ness or Lucas is returning, but I do think it's evidence enough to show that at least one of them is. If it is only one, I would say it'd be Ness. However, I'm thinking both will be back regardless.

Well, I think that's about everyone I think, based on actual evidence, is virtually a guarantee. I see no reason to doubt any of these characters I listed. So, would you all say my list is accurate? Anything you disagree on?

Ganondorf does have some circumstantial evidence in his favor. Link and Zelda retain their Twilight Princess variations to promote consistency. Ganondorf was not in Skyward Sword; therefore, a redesign would have been adopted without a base. I would also assert that all of the in-game attention going to Legend of Zelda, especially in regards to items (returning heart container, returning deku nut, fairy in a bottle, bombchu, cucco, gust bellows, and beetle). We also have vast representation based on the assist trophies (Skull-Kid, Majora's Mask and Midna, Twilight Princess) in addition to stages (Gerudo Desert, OoT 3DS and Skyloft, Skyward Sword). Toon Link and Sheik represent their own respective games. So Ganondorf (universal representation and two-time veteran) doesn't seem that outlandish.

 

[Kenith]

That's too much to read... but I will say that I never meant "He's not getting in cause I don't want him"... I just don't want him...

But you also said he wasn't getting in.

 

[praline]

But you also said he wasn't getting in.

Did I? lol whoops.

 

[andimidna]

That's too much to read... but I will say that I never meant "He's not getting in cause I don't want him"...

Well that wasn't really part of my post

I just don't want him...

But this was, and that's fine. (the response to the 2nd to last quote covers that)
(and somewhat also the last)

 

[False Sense]

Ganondorf does have some circumstantial evidence in his favor. Link and Zelda retain their Twilight Princess variations to promote consistency. Ganondorf was not in Skyward Sword; therefore, a redesign would have been adopted without a base. I would also assert that all of the in-game attention going to Legend of Zelda, especially in regards to items (returning heart container, returning deku nut, fairy in a bottle, bombchu, cucco, gust bellows, and beetle). We also have vast representation based on the assist trophies (Skull-Kid, Majora's Mask and Midna, Twilight Princess) in addition to stages (Gerudo Desert, OoT 3DS and Skyloft, Skyward Sword). Toon Link and Sheik represent their own respective games. So Ganondorf (universal representation and two-time veteran) doesn't seem that outlandish.

I did consider putting Ganondorf on the list, as I have absolutely no doubt that he is returning. However, I just didn't think that there was anything in the game that would heavily indicate his return; I don't find all the attention the Zelda series is getting in terms of items and stages to mean much for Ganondorf himself, it just shows how big the Zelda series is. However, I'll admit that I forgot about the Twilight Princess design detail. That is what I would consider evidence in Ganondorf's favor, as the use of the Twilight Princess designs allows for consistency between the designs of the three main characters, and wouldn't have been needed if Ganondorf wasn't returning. I think I'll edit that into the list.

 

[praline]

Well that wasn't really part of my post

But this was, and that's fine. (the response to the 2nd to last quote covers that)
(and somewhat also the last)

If he does get in i'll be happy for those that wanted him in, I won't be particularly thrilled but I'd get over it.

 

[Morbi]

I did consider putting Ganondorf on the list, as I have absolutely no doubt that he is returning. However, I just didn't think that there was anything in the game that would heavily indicate his return; I don't find all the attention the Zelda series is getting in terms of items and stages to mean much for Ganondorf himself, it just shows how big the Zelda series is. However, I'll admit that I forgot about the Twilight Princess design detail. That is what I would consider evidence in Ganondorf's favor, as the use of the Twilight Princess designs allows for consistency between the designs of the three main characters, and wouldn't have been needed if Ganondorf wasn't returning. I think I'll edit that into the list.

The design argument is much better; I just added the extra **** to make myself sound more credible.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Certainly. So, here are the veterans I believe are virtually guaranteed to return:

Meta Knight: This picture. I'm going to be referring to that one a lot, mind you. This is a bit of concept art Sakurai posted on twitter. Here, we can see a number of veterans who were previously in Smash, including ones that have yet to be confirmed. With the confirmation of Zero Suit Samus, probably the least likely to return out of all the characters on the concept art (that's not to say she was unlikely at all; just that she was the least likely in that group of very likely characters), I think the picture is solid evidence in the favor of the remaining characters. Now, in regards to Meta Knight, not only is he part of this concept art, but the Halberd stage, a stage that is very closely tied to him, is returning. Add all that to a character who literally has no reason to be cut, and I think we have a character who's return is practically assured at this point.

Wario: Wario is another character who appeared in that concept art, which gives him a very strong case to return right off the bat. Couple that with the presence of the Ashley and Waluigi Assist Trophies, both of which have the Wario symbol, and Wario is a near guarantee.

Mr. Game&Watch: Again, another character who appeared in that concept art. There isn't exactly much else in terms of evidence, but I think this is enough to say he's safe.

Captain Falcon: Samurai Goroh returns as an Assist Trophy. I don't think there's any reason to doubt Captain Falcon now (not that there ever was).

Ice Climbers: The Polar Bears from Ice Climbers appear as enemies in Smash Run. Despite the Ice Climbers presenting some technical difficulties, I'm quite confident that those issues have been fixed and that they will return once again.

At least one of either Ness or Lucas: There are Mother themed items present in the game. Unfortunately, this doesn't really tell us which one of Ness or Lucas is returning, but I do think it's evidence enough to show that at least one of them is. If it is only one, I would say it'd be Ness. However, I'm thinking both will be back regardless.

Well, I think that's about everyone I think, based on actual evidence, is virtually a guarantee. I see no reason to doubt any of these characters I listed. So, would you all say my list is accurate? Anything you disagree on?

What about Jigglypuff, based on that argument made in the Jigglypuff thread that I linked to on Thursday?

 

[FalKoopa]

So, Squirtle and Ivysaur seem to be the only guarenteed cuts, I suppose. Snake is the iffy one.

Ike's return bodes well for Lucas and Wolf.

The rest of the veterans are shoo-ins anyway.

 

[False Sense]

What about Jigglypuff, based on that argument made in the Jigglypuff thread that I linked to on Thursday?

Oh yeah, I forgot about that find. Yes, I do think that is rather interesting evidence in Jigglypuff's favor. That's probably worth mentioning.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

So, Squirtle and Ivysaur seem to be the only guarenteed cuts, I suppose. Snake is the iffy one.

Ike's return bodes well for Lucas and Wolf.

The rest of the veterans are shoo-ins anyway.

Party time? for E3! OG Hype!

 

[Deleted member]

Well, it's very clear that there are some Ghirahim here, so it's time to discuss my second most wanted character.

Lucina

Pfft, these are the best Mario newcomers around, who else can "Do the Mario"? Thats what I thought

 

[False Sense]

Party time? for E3! OG Hype!

Actually, despite the fact that I'm sure those characters are in the game, I feel like they may be kept as secret characters while other starter characters, such as perhaps Lucas or Wario, would be revealed at E3. Just my thoughts on the matter.

 

[FalKoopa]

While we're on the topic, should be expect Wario for May 30?

I can't say it's impossible since Toon Link and Sonic were revealed only 5 days apart.

 

[Morbi]

While we're on the topic, should be expect Wario for May 30?

I can't say it's impossible since Toon Link and Sonic were revealed only 5 days apart.

I am (still) expecting him. But I cannot deny that his chance to be revealed during Mario Kart 8's launch was severely attenuated.

 

[False Sense]

While we're on the topic, should be expect Wario for May 30?

I can't say it's impossible since Toon Link and Sonic were revealed only 5 days apart.

It's possible.

I can't really say much more than that, except that Wario is obviously in the game, regardless of when he's revealed.

 

[Will]

Pfft, these are the best Mario newcomers around, who else can "Do the Mario"? Thats what I thought

The irony was that Ron Jeremy came from being an entertainer of a kid's show to an icon for the the pornographic industry.

 

[TheUnsullied]

Can we talk about which characters we think won't be revealed prior to the release of the 3ds version?
I feel like G&W, ROB, Lucas, and the space animals won't be revealed until after the launch of the game.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Actually, despite the fact that I'm sure those characters are in the game, I feel like they may be kept as secret characters while other starter characters, such as perhaps Lucas or Wario, would be revealed at E3. Just my thoughts on the matter.

*shrugs* In the likely event that they were to be kept secret pre-release, I guess there is nothing I can do but wait. I suppose (revamped) Ganondorf, Lucas, Ice Climbers, Wario and Meta Knight. I feel Ganondorf and Wolf (assuming he comes back) would be justified promotions to the starter roster.