Character Discussion Thread

[Alfonzo Bagpipez]

Quick question guys: Robin vs. Chrom for 3rd FE rep? Pros and cons. Guys on IGN won't talk about it.

I think Robin's a better choice, more variety, magic, more unique, could call units to battle for him/her instead of just being combat-only, could have male and female costumes, etc.

Thoughts?

You must not come to this thread much, huh?

 

[Jerry Applesauce]

Everyone knows in their hearts that Robin is the more viable choice, they're just attached to Chrom, that's all.

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[Phaazoid]

Everyone knows in their hearts that Robin is the more viable choice, they're just attached to Chrom, that's all.

. . .

Correction - Chrom is the more likely choice. He is the face of the game, he has a name people who have only played the game know, he is the lord.

I personally think Robin would be a more interesting choice, but... I don't really expect him/her.

 

[Jerry Applesauce]

Hmmmm. I agree he's more likely...in comparison to Robin. They're both pretty unlikely from the way I see it.

 

[Leafeon523]

More Fire Emblem discussion?
Why not discuss trophies for a bit? This is who I expect to see a trophy of from Awakening (at least in the 3ds version)
-Chrom
-Tactician
-Frederick
-Lissa
-Marth (masked)
-Marth (unmasked)
-Anna
-Enemeryn
-Gangrel
-Tiki
-Thajra
-Gregor
Any thoughts?

 

[Phaazoid]

Hmmmm. I agree he's more likely...in comparison to Robin. They're both pretty unlikely from the way I see it.

You don't think Fire Emblem is going to get a third rep? After the huge success of Awakening?

It seems natural to me, and I hate all these leaks.

What are your thoughts?

 

[Leafeon523]

You don't think Fire Emblem is going to get a third rep? After the huge success of Awakening?

It seems natural to me, and I hate all these leaks.

What are your thoughts?

I'm guessing we will see a FEA rep, but my money's on Chrom.

 

[Hot Uncle Sparky]

I don't play FE, so I don't know who the best choice would be other than someone who brings something other than a sword to the battlefield. I'm not banking on a FE newcomer anyway.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Quick question guys: Robin vs. Chrom for 3rd FE rep? Pros and cons. Guys on IGN won't talk about it.

I think Robin's a better choice, more variety, magic, more unique, could call units to battle for him/her instead of just being combat-only, could have male and female costumes, etc.

Thoughts?

Pretty much everyone wants Robin and thinks that he/she could bring a ton of new things to the table.

But most everyone is betting on Chrom for various reasons. Mainly marketing ones.

 

[Jerry Applesauce]

You don't think Fire Emblem is going to get a third rep? After the huge success of Awakening?

It seems natural to me, and I hate all these leaks.

What are your thoughts?

You're not the only who hates leaks.

I find it hard to believe that Fire Emblem is going to get another blue-haired sword-wielding rep. Beyond that overused reason...what we have is a heavy sword user and a lighter sword user, both being blue-haired lords in their respective games. Sure, Chrom could definitely be a playable character, there's zero doubt about that. But what is going to differentiate him from them? Chrom uses Aether too, that fact alone does wonders in further pushing his potential near-synonymy with Ike/Marth. Will he just be a moderately powerful blue-haired Fire Emblem lord? Sure, that could work, but that's a waste of a character slot in my mind. If not, how is he going to be different from them? The only thing that comes to my mind that can separate him from the rest is his Shield of Seals (i.e. the Fire Emblem). Even with that, I could only see it being implemented in the way that Link/Toon Link's shields are used, i.e. protecting from some projectiles from the front while in idle position. Or, it could be used like Pit's Mirror Shield, and with it being the Fire Emblem, it probably could merit acting exactly the same as that.

But with all this, I just feel as if putting in Chrom would seriously be a waste of character. They're not limited to sword-wielding Lords and they don't have to be. They could put in Anna and have her use the Levin Sword, which is a sword with ranged lightning magic. She has appeared in all but one Fire Emblem title, not to mention she is playable in Awakening. Plus her identical sisters (all named Anna) pop up all over the place - in merchant shops, in levels, in the Outrealm, in DLC chapters - so they're very recognizable to at least those who have played Awakening. They could put in Robin, who uses both swords and magic and obviously plays a very prominent role in the story. Not to mention his/her connection with you-know-who. So...sure, Chrom is from the best-selling game in the series. The best-selling game that also saved the series from its demise. I get that. But barring that, what else does Chrom have to offer that Marth and Ike haven't. Essentially, nothing.

Overall, a third Fire Emblem rep is likely. I'll retract me saying Robin is unlikely. But Chrom especially, is unlikely from the way I see it. I think that a Fire Emblem rep who is soley a basic sword user won't make it in.

 

[Deleted member]

Unless you think we'll get another veteran in the next 18 days, this could very well be it.

We might get Wario around Mario Kart 8's release (May 29th in Japan). I'm fine if Ike is our last veteran before E3, though, his inclusion means a lot more to me than an obvious veteran and was one of the last characters I was fighting for that wasn't either confirmed (Mega Man and Lucario), obvious (Mewtwo), or relatively unlikely (Roy and Ridley). King K. Rool is the only character left I care about that doesn't fall into these category.

Lucas was HIGH priority!? NICE! Anyway, I'm not all that worried, but I worry about him the most, with Snake close behind. But, if I could see a source for that high priority thing, that definitely changes things.

It's not proof, but it is worth looking at:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u/60675374

When it come to unique victory files, Lucas was above the likes of Diddy Kong and King Dedede as well (who were always going to make it) and Lucario and Ike; two Brawl veterans that could have faced the axe. I really doubt Lucas was a low priority character for Brawl and I don't think he'll be low priority to return either. If anyone is in danger, it's Wolf and Jigglypuff, but they still have a great shot of returning (especially the latter).

Sakurai said in an interview with a Japanese magazine called Nintendo Dream.

The Japanese Wikipedia page for Brawl states:

リュカは前作『大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズDX』において参戦する予定であったが、NINTENDO64版『MOTHER3』の開発中止を受けて参戦しなかった経緯があり、2006年にゲームボーイアドバンス用ソフトで開発が再開された事で、今作参戦となった[11]。その煽りでネスは削除される予定だったが、『MOTHER3』が海外で発売されていないという理由で再度参戦している[12]。

Here's a translation I found somewhere "Lucas was supposed to be in the previous game ''Super Smash Bros. Melee'', but due to how that worked out with Mother 3's eventual cancellation on the N64, he was cut. With his game coming back and being released on the GBA in 2006, he is in the game this time around -Brawl-. With that in mind, we had planned to scrap Ness, but because Mother 3 never got a release outside of Japan, Ness is back once more". But you can put it in Google translate if you want.

And the source is there, the April 2008 issue of Nintendo Dream.

Okay, if this actually happened and it isn't just some BS made-up, then pretty much any argument made for cutting Lucas goes down the drain. Still think Ness is a shoe-in, though.

We better not get Marth Ike Marth/Ike and Red Marth. Especially if we don't get Dixie or K Rool. Maximum yucky.

I don't think you'll have to worry about that. Roy will likely be DLC if he ever makes it back as playable. But I'd much rather see four FE characters than Chrom replace Ike (which thankfully didn't happen). That said, I would prefer a third DK rep over a fourth Fire Emblem character any day of the week.

 

[Phaazoid]

You're not the only who hates leaks.

I find it hard to believe that Fire Emblem is going to get another blue-haired sword-wielding rep. Beyond that overused reason...what we have is a heavy sword user and a lighter sword user, both being blue-haired lords in their respective games. Sure, Chrom could definitely be a playable character, there's zero doubt about that. But what is going to differentiate him from them? Chrom uses Aether too, that fact alone does wonders in further pushing his synonymy to Ike/Marth. Will he just be a moderately powerful blue-haired Fire Emblem lord? Sure, that could work, but that's a waste of a character slot in my mind. If not, how is he going to be different from them? The only thing that comes to my mind that can separate him from the rest is his Shield of Seals (i.e. the Fire Emblem). Even with that, I could only see it being implemented in the way that Link/Toon Link's shields are used, i.e. protecting from some projectiles from the front while in idle position. Or, it could be used like Pit's Mirror Shield, and with it being the Fire Emblem, it probably could merit acting exactly the same as that.

With all this, I just feel as if putting in Chrom would seriously be a waste of character. They're not limited to sword-wielding Lords and they don't have to be. They could put in Anna and have her use the Levin Sword, which is a sword with ranged lightning magic. She has appeared in all but one Fire Emblem title, not to mention she is playable in Awakening. Plus her identical sisters (all named Anna) pop up all over the place - in merchant shops, in levels, in the Outrealm, in DLC chapters - so they're very recognizable to at least those who have played Awakening. They could put in Robin, who uses both swords and magic and obviously plays a very prominent role in the story. Not to mention his/her connection with you-know-who. So...sure, Chrom is from the best-selling game in the series. The best-selling game that also saved the series from its demise. I get that. But barring that, what else does Chrom have to offer that Marth and Ike haven't. Essentially, nothing.

Overall, a third Fire Emblem rep is likely. I'll retract me saying Robin is unlikely. But Chrom especially, is unlikely from the way I see it.

I agree with your first paragraph pretty much entirely. I don't like the idea of 3 blue haired FE sword lords. However, I doubt the dev team sees this as a problem. They will always put the main character of a game in before side characters. And Chrom is the main character of the newest, un-ignorable, well selling fire emblem game. Sure, there is the ambiguous tactition, but I didn't even know the tactition had an official name before coming to these boards - I doubt his/her inclusion.

As much as I hate the idea of the only FE reps being marth, ike, and chrom, I really have trouble seeing it going any other way. I hope you end up being right, or that Sakurai surprises us both. The most frustrating part is, we might not even find out at E3, we may have to wait until the release or an actual leak.

 

[Dillo64]

Pretty much everyone wants Robin and thinks that he/she could bring a ton of new things to the table.

But most everyone is betting on Chrom for various reasons. Mainly marketing ones.

That would be highly disappointing. Story and personality aside, he's basically just another Marth (doesn't he have the same sword?). I remember Sakurai saying in an interview that they don't just choose who is popular, but also choose because of aspects of the character and what they would bring to the table, so they don't have too many characters who are too similar. Can't remember what article this was from but I remember reading it.

If any of that is true then it seems more like Robin would be the obvious pick. But to be honest, there are too many potential characters for SSB at this point to even think about who would be "likely" or not. I just like to determine which would be the best picks, for the sake of variety, popularity, and importance.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

That would be highly disappointing. Story and personality aside, he's basically just another Marth (doesn't he have the same sword?). I remember Sakurai saying in an interview that they don't just choose who is popular, but also choose because of aspects of the character and what they would bring to the table, so they don't have too many characters who are too similar. Can't remember what article this was from but I remember reading it.

If any of that is true then it seems more like Robin would be the obvious pick. But to be honest, there are too many potential characters for SSB at this point to even think about who would be "likely" or not. I just like to determine which would be the best picks, for the sake of variety, popularity, and importance.

Problem is, that Chrom is in the Gematsu leak.

And it's looking to be an accurate leak.

 

[Deleted member]

@ Dillo64 Wait a minute, don't I know you from IGN? I was SuperSmashBros.Fan on it.

 

[Hot Uncle Sparky]

Problem is, that Chrom is in the Gematsu leak.

And it's looking to be an accurate leak.

Did Gematsu "leak" the entire roster? From what I've been told, Ike wasn't included in it.

 

[Morbi]

Did Gematsu "leak" the entire roster? From what I've been told, Ike wasn't included in it.

No, the Gematsu leak was the one with Wii Fit Trainer, Mega Man, Villager, Little Mac, Mii, and Pac-Man. After that, he added Chrom, Palutena, Chorus Men, Shulk and Pokemon from X and Y.

It certainly doesn't entail the entire roster as he was missing Rosalina. He doesn't specify on any veterans if I recall correctly.

 

[Dillo64]

@ Dillo64 Wait a minute, don't I know you from IGN? I was SuperSmashBros.Fan on it.

Yes, I am DIllo from IGN. I am a relic of forgotten times. Times of war. Times of anguish. Times of debates about why Ridley is too big and how there are too many Pokemon characters. Times kind of like right now. Oh how history repeats.

And yes, I remember you.

I REMEMBER ALL.

 

[Jerry Applesauce]

I agree with your first paragraph pretty much entirely. I don't like the idea of 3 blue haired FE sword lords. However, I doubt the dev team sees this as a problem. They will always put the main character of a game in before side characters. And Chrom is the main character of the newest, un-ignorable, well selling fire emblem game. Sure, there is the ambiguous tactition, but I didn't even know the tactition had an official name before coming to these boards - I doubt his/her inclusion.

As much as I hate the idea of the only FE reps being marth, ike, and chrom, I really have trouble seeing it going any other way. I hope you end up being right, or that Sakurai surprises us both. The most frustrating part is, we might not even find out at E3, we may have to wait until the release or an actual leak.

You're absolutely right about them putting in the main characters before any side characters. But, you could argue that Robin and Chrom are both the main characters, seeing as how they both have equally large roles in the story. But I see where you're getting at. When I think of the main protagonist for Awakening I automatically think of Chrom, not Robin. It's just that, with what Sakurai has said in regards to what he looks for in characters, I doubt he will ever get in, and I think the dev team is smart enough to realize that the popularity/recognizability he received thanks to Awakening's sales is the only thing Chrom has going for him, and in the present situation, that's not enough to warrant his playability. Like Dillo64 said, he really is just another Marth, heck, they both wield the legendary sword Falchion (albeit with different designs).

That would be highly disappointing. Story and personality aside, he's basically just another Marth (doesn't he have the same sword?). I remember Sakurai saying in an interview that they don't just choose who is popular, but also choose because of aspects of the character and what they would bring to the table, so they don't have too many characters who are too similar. Can't remember what article this was from but I remember reading it.

If any of that is true then it seems more like Robin would be the obvious pick. But to be honest, there are too many potential characters for SSB at this point to even think about who would be "likely" or not. I just like to determine which would be the best picks, for the sake of variety, popularity, and importance.

Here's the article you're looking for: http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/17/44...director-masahiro-sakurai-character-selection

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

Problem is, that Chrom is in the Gematsu leak.

And it's looking to be an accurate leak.

Looks can be deceiving. Whether or not this one in particular is, however, is unclear. The leak certainly shouldn't be taken for granted, especially when it hurts the fun of speculation (or at least, it would for me).

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Looks can be deceiving. Whether or not this one in particular is, however, is unclear. The leak certainly shouldn't be taken for granted, especially when it hurts the fun of speculation (or at least, it would for me).

I dunno. I'm kinda done with speculation.

I'm ready for it to be over.

 

[AEMehr]

Quick question guys: Robin vs. Chrom for 3rd FE rep? Pros and cons. Guys on IGN won't talk about it.

I think Robin's a better choice, more variety, magic, more unique, could call units to battle for him/her instead of just being combat-only, could have male and female costumes, etc.

Thoughts?

In my opinion Robin is just the better choice, even when not considering moveset potential.
Tacticians are present in every Fire Emblem game (from what I've gathered) and the avatar system will probably return in the next game as well (It's been in the two most recent games so far). Chrom may be the better choice right now, considering he's a "hot" character at the moment. But in the long run, the avatar / tactician will be in future titles and Chrom will more than likely not be in those same titles. I mean, it just seems like the smarter thing to do if they wanted to have a character that can remain relevant in the years to come.

Robin would be the only Fire Emblem character I'd want after Marth and Ike, although I would find Anna to be a great choice too. But I'm not big on FE so if it's not Robin or Anna I wouldn't really be that disappointed. If Chrom is different enough from the other swordsman I'll live. Just a shame that Fire Emblem is cursed to be represented by the sword wielding lords.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

I dunno. I'm kinda done with speculation.

I'm ready for it to be over.

That's a shame, though I definitely understand why. Speculation can either be fun, or absolutely frustrating at times. With E3 just around the corner, I'm getting really anxious and am making silly "expectations" (For example, I "think" we'll see Captain Falcon at E3, who will be used to lead into a revamped Ganondorf). My hype is through the roof!

 

[Deleted member]

I dunno. I'm kinda done with speculation.

I'm ready for it to be over.

Theres still speculation for Smash Bros 6...its like Mr. Bones' Wild Ride: It never ends!!!

 

[Leafeon523]

Problem is, that Chrom is in the Gematsu leak.

And it's looking to be an accurate leak.

You... you have merged the two banes of smashboards, Fire Emblem and Gematsu discussions, into one...
What have you done?

Lets discuss Rosalina instead. How satisfied are you with her being playable?

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

Lets discuss Rosalina instead. How satisfied are you with her being playable?

Honestly, I'm very satisfied with how she turned out. Before seeing her, I hated the idea, but she looks really fun. I doubt I'll use her much, though.

 

[BADGRAPHICS]

You're not the only who hates leaks.

I find it hard to believe that Fire Emblem is going to get another blue-haired sword-wielding rep. Beyond that overused reason...what we have is a heavy sword user and a lighter sword user, both being blue-haired lords in their respective games. Sure, Chrom could definitely be a playable character, there's zero doubt about that. But what is going to differentiate him from them? Chrom uses Aether too, that fact alone does wonders in further pushing his potential near-synonymy with Ike/Marth. Will he just be a moderately powerful blue-haired Fire Emblem lord? Sure, that could work, but that's a waste of a character slot in my mind. If not, how is he going to be different from them? The only thing that comes to my mind that can separate him from the rest is his Shield of Seals (i.e. the Fire Emblem). Even with that, I could only see it being implemented in the way that Link/Toon Link's shields are used, i.e. protecting from some projectiles from the front while in idle position. Or, it could be used like Pit's Mirror Shield, and with it being the Fire Emblem, it probably could merit acting exactly the same as that.

But with all this, I just feel as if putting in Chrom would seriously be a waste of character. They're not limited to sword-wielding Lords and they don't have to be. They could put in Anna and have her use the Levin Sword, which is a sword with ranged lightning magic. She has appeared in all but one Fire Emblem title, not to mention she is playable in Awakening. Plus her identical sisters (all named Anna) pop up all over the place - in merchant shops, in levels, in the Outrealm, in DLC chapters - so they're very recognizable to at least those who have played Awakening. They could put in Robin, who uses both swords and magic and obviously plays a very prominent role in the story. Not to mention his/her connection with you-know-who. So...sure, Chrom is from the best-selling game in the series. The best-selling game that also saved the series from its demise. I get that. But barring that, what else does Chrom have to offer that Marth and Ike haven't. Essentially, nothing.

Overall, a third Fire Emblem rep is likely. I'll retract me saying Robin is unlikely. But Chrom especially, is unlikely from the way I see it. I think that a Fire Emblem rep who is soley a basic sword user won't make it in.

Starfox has three reps that are all really similar. I see no reason why Fire Emblem can't.
There's more difference between Marth and Ike than there is between Fox and Wolf. If Chrom is in, he might be a semi-clone of Marth, for instance.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Robin definitely has tons of reasons for being chosen and should be considered as an equal to Chrom in Awakening as they are both the main characters. Chrom has the advantage of being what's currently "hot" and being the poster boy of Awakening whereas Robin has diversity on his/her side.

 

[Spinosaurus]

If the only things going against Chrom are him having blue hair and a sword then it's pretty obvious he's in lol.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

If the only things going against Chrom are him having blue hair and a sword then it's pretty obvious he's in lol.

But blue hair is actually awesome, why would anyone complain about Chrom having it? Would you rather he had pink hair or something? Huh?

 

[Spinosaurus]

But blue hair is actually awesome, why would anyone complain about Chrom having it? Would you rather he had pink hair or something? Huh?

Hey man lay off, LTTP Link was godlike.

Alt color please.

 

[BADGRAPHICS]

I do think Robin/Avatar would be a better choice though, for a whole load of reasons:

• Is just as central as Chrom in FE:A (it's your own guy!).
• More visually distinguishable from Marth.
• Can be male or female, like Wii Fit Trainer.
• Moves can be drawn from a wider range of class sets. Could even be a Wyvern Rider!
• Avatar characters have featured in several Fire Emblem games; Chrom, only one.

To me, the choice is obvious.

 

[False Sense]

Wait, people here are actually... supporting Robin?

I never thought I'd see the day.

Looks can be deceiving. Whether or not this one in particular is, however, is unclear. The leak certainly shouldn't be taken for granted, especially when it hurts the fun of speculation (or at least, it would for me).

Absolutely. For one, we don't have definite proof that the leak is actually real, so we can't guarantee that it is. At best, it's only extremely likely to be real, and at worst, it could have been a lucky guess. Besides, if we just assume that the leak is real, what's the point of all this speculation? Why do we bother continuing discussing characters despite what the leak claims will happen? For the sake of speculation, we really shouldn't assume the leak is real. That kind of kills all the fun of it.

 

[loganhogan]

One thing that confuses me about Fire Emblem is that it's got so much in common with Pokémon as in generations and different main characters, but Pokémon seems more flexible with their representation in smash bros than Fire Emblem. Generally speaking Fire Emblem so far only had lords/main characters but Pokémon seems to have all kinds of roles added legendaries, mascots, starters, final evos, regular pokemon, and even the main character although he's gone now.

 

[Spinosaurus]

If personality really is a factor in a character's inclusion then we wouldn't have so many people asking for K.Rool.

 

[AncientTobacco]

If personality really is a factor in a character's inclusion then we wouldn't have so many people asking for K.Rool.

What? K. Rool has plenty of personality.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

If personality really is a factor in a character's inclusion then we wouldn't have so many people asking for K.Rool.

Are you saying that because his personality is...

...Too big?

 

[Spinosaurus]

What? K. Rool has plenty of personality.

I'd like you to describe K.Rool for me without giving away his physical appearance or job.

 

[Autumn ♫]

I'd like you to describe K.Rool for me without giving away his physical appearance or job.

Insane is a nice word for K.Rool, although it may be a bit underwhelming for him.

 

[False Sense]

One thing that confuses me about Fire Emblem is that it's got so much in common with Pokémon as in generations and different main characters, but Pokémon seems more flexible with their representation in smash bros than Fire Emblem. Generally speaking Fire Emblem so far only had lords/main characters but Pokémon seems to have all kinds of roles added legendaries, mascots, starters, final evos, regular pokemon, and even the main character although he's gone now.

Well, in Pokemon, the only real main character in the game is the actual trainer. All the other Pokemon, including Pikachu, don't usually play significant roles in the story, so which ones get added to the roster kind of depends on their prominence as a Pokemon and just how popular they are. Fire Emblem definitely has some specific main characters that should get in before side characters, I think.

I'd like you to describe K.Rool for me without giving away his physical appearance or job.

I think you could say he's a mentally disturbed psychopath with a fondness for playing dress up.