Character Discussion Thread

[Gune]

I dunno why they'd show the AT off like they did. I could ask the same of the dreaded Shadow. And even if Falcon is safe, there's a lot of sadly cuttable material up there in one-shot Brawl vets just waiting for the blade to fall. 40's it I think. The time constraints WRT the Invitational, graphic layout, character saturation, and overall look just make sense, at least to me.

EDIT: Well, I can make this good. If my 40-character prediction is wrong, I will accept a lifetime ban from the forums.

I think it was shown because it was a brawl AT we all knew and the ban thing isn't necessary well just tease you about it forever

 

[Alfonzo Bagpipez]

Aside from the Puff(who's in due to veterancy), I doubt any of the other 'possible veterans' are coming back, and aside from Chrom, I really don't see those newcomers happening. Fan-favorites, well, when has Sakurai paid much attention to that aside from maybe giving them a larger space on the dartboard he uses to decide on characters?

At this point, I wouldn't even count on Puff and the O12 veterancy to be relevant. Little Mac's neutral-B easily replaces Falcon Punch in both utility and power, and he moves at about the same speed. I could see Puff, Falcon, Ness and G&W at-risk, if not gone already.

idiot/10

 

[TumblrFamous]

If I can just say, no one can speak in absolutes when it comes to roster size and cuts. While there are "obvious veterans": Wario, Falcon, Meta Knight... it's just too hard to come up with something truly reasonable and agreeable. No one knows how big the roster will be for this game yet, and no one knows who's been cut unless Sakurai explicitly says: "Pic of the day. [These characters] have been cut. By the way, the roster size will be __ characters!"

 

[Spinosaurus]

OK the hostility definitely needs to stop here.

 

[AncientTobacco]

Eh, Lucas...that's debatable.

The most recent protagonist of the Mother series.

He's no less important to his series than Ness is. They've both been the main character of one game. The only thing Ness has over Lucas is his senior status in Smash Bros.

 

[Spazzy_D]

The most recent protagonist of the Mother series.

He's no less important to his series than Ness is. They've both been the main character of one game. The only thing Ness has over Lucas is his senior status in Smash Bros.

and the international release (and rerelease) of his game. Still all for Lucas, though.

 

[Deleted member]

I dunno why they'd show the AT off like they did. I could ask the same of the dreaded Shadow. And even if Falcon is safe, there's a lot of sadly cuttable material up there in one-shot Brawl vets just waiting for the blade to fall. 40's it I think. The time constraints WRT the Invitational, graphic layout, character saturation, and overall look just make sense, at least to me.

EDIT: Well, I can make this good. If my 40-character prediction is wrong, I will accept a lifetime ban from the forums.

Being wrong in a prediction isn't exactly a good reason to ask for a lifetime ban on the forums. I fail to see why ultra-pessimistic behavior being exceeded warrants it.

 

[EbonyRubberWolf]

Being wrong in a prediction isn't exactly a good reason to ask for a lifetime ban on the forums. I fail to see why ultra-pessimistic behavior being exceeded warrants it.

Because I believe pretty strongly in the number, I'm willing to stake a fair amount on it. So if I'm wrong, I pay the price.

 

[Deleted member]

Because I believe pretty strongly in the number, I'm willing to stake a fair amount on it. So if I'm wrong, I pay the price.

It's not worth giving up your account just on this number. Beside, there are other parts to the game than just characters and who's to say you won't want to talk about other aspects of the game or talking about the technical aspects behind a character?

 

[Rockaphin]

The most recent protagonist of the Mother series.

He's no less important to his series than Ness is. They've both been the main character of one game. The only thing Ness has over Lucas is his senior status in Smash Bros.

Wasn't Ness also the only one ported over here? I'm not too sure though. Even so, Ninten, Ness, and Lucas are equally important story-wise.(I've only played Earthbound for like a couple of hours)

 

[GunGunW]

The most recent protagonist of the Mother series.

He's no less important to his series than Ness is. They've both been the main character of one game. The only thing Ness has over Lucas is his senior status in Smash Bros.

Ness also had his game re-released recently.

 

[Kenith]

Ness is also pretty much designed to be Ninten, just left ambiguous. So he's a lot more iconic regardless.

 

[AncientTobacco]

and the international release (and rerelease) of his game. Still all for Lucas, though.

Wasn't Ness also the only one ported over here? I'm not too sure though. Even so, Ninten, Ness, and Lucas are equally important.(I've only played Earthbound for like a couple of hours)

Yeah.

That's actually what saved him from getting cut from Brawl in favour of Lucas.

 

[Kenith]

Yeah.

That's actually what saved him from getting cut from Brawl in favour of Lucas.

No. That's not true. Ness was supposed to be cut for Lucas in Melee but Mother 3 was delayed.

 

[Invisible Shiny Bulbasaur]

Yeah.

That's actually what saved him from getting cut from Brawl in favour of Lucas.

I thought it was the cancellation of EarthBound 64 that saved Ness from being replaced in Melee. I don't remember Sakurai ever saying Ness was almost cut from Brawl.

 

[wafflini]

Just give me a Guts color scheme for Ike and I will play no other character in the game.

YEEEES

i know that it will never happen but Guts and Griffith are my two dream characters for ssb

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

\Unlike Ike, Lucas can't get replaced by anyone else and he was a high-priority characters in Brawl. If Ike can come back despite risk of replacement, Lucas is definitely returning. There's no reason to cut him. I don't think you have to worry here.

Lucas was HIGH priority!? NICE! Anyway, I'm not all that worried, but I worry about him the most, with Snake close behind. But, if I could see a source for that high priority thing, that definitely changes things.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

At this point, I wouldn't even count on Puff and the O12 veterancy to be relevant. Little Mac's neutral-B easily replaces Falcon Punch in both utility and power, and he moves at about the same speed. I could see Puff, Falcon, Ness and G&W at-risk, if not gone already.

What the hell are you smoking? Falcon is already in based on seeing Samurai Goroh being an AT again

 

[Will]

What the hell are you smoking? Falcon is already in based on seeing Samurai Goroh being an AT again

Same thing with Wario.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

It turns the recency argument into pieces of **** now.
So I plan to not remove anybody besides Snake, Ivysaur, Squirtle, subject to change.

The recency argument has always been ****. It's nothing but a terrible reason to include characters (hence why I fought with you frequently over Zoroark and Lucario)

There aren't any "one-shots" on the Brawl roster that are obvious cuts. Every character they picked deserved it. That's why it's so hard to predict who will get cut.

That being said, the only ones that have a chance of being cut are Wolf, Lucas, and Snake. I already think Ivysaur and Squirtle are out, but them too.

WHY? WHY is everyone thinking those two are gonna get cut?!? If Tink, Lucario, and Ike all got in despite that they were the most wanted cuts, I can see Wolf and Lucas safe.

 

[AncientTobacco]

No. That's not true. Ness was supposed to be cut for Lucas in Melee but Mother 3 was delayed.

Yes, in Melee. But Ness was also going to get cut for Lucas in Brawl. In that instance he was saved by the fact that M3 wasn't released outside Japan.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Ness was also going to get cut for Lucas in Brawl.

May I inquire your source?

 

[Kenith]

Yes, in Melee. But Ness was also going to get cut for Lucas in Brawl. In that instance he was saved by the fact that M3 wasn't released outside Japan.

Source please.

 

[Gunla]

Yes, in Melee. But Ness was also going to get cut for Lucas in Brawl. In that instance he was saved by the fact that M3 wasn't released outside Japan.

...You must mean Melee, correct? Or if you mean Brawl, source?
There's been no official record of source of any cuts being intentional for Brawl that I've seen and confirmed.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

Why isn't Ike removed from the Unconfirmed Veterans list?

 

[ShichibukaiJimbe]

Yes, in Melee. But Ness was also going to get cut for Lucas in Brawl. In that instance he was saved by the fact that M3 wasn't released outside Japan.

No, that was never said.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Yes, in Melee. But Ness was also going to get cut for Lucas in Brawl. In that instance he was saved by the fact that M3 wasn't released outside Japan.

I'm gonna need a source on that.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Why isn't Ike removed from the Unconfirmed Veterans list?

According to FalKoopa, the moderators were experiencing technical difficulties about that this morning

 

[Starcutter]

Ness was going to be cut in Brawl?

Source? I'm actually interested.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

I'm gonna need a source on that.

Edit: Reread the post and noticed it said Brawl, not Melee. Silly me.

 

[AncientTobacco]

Source please.

...You must mean Melee, correct? Or if you mean Brawl, source?
There's been no official record of source of any cuts being intentional for Brawl that I've seen and confirmed.

Sakurai said in an interview with a Japanese magazine called Nintendo Dream.

The Japanese Wikipedia page for Brawl states:

リュカは前作『大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズDX』において参戦する予定であったが、NINTENDO64版『MOTHER3』の開発中止を受けて参戦しなかった経緯があり、2006年にゲームボーイアドバンス用ソフトで開発が再開された事で、今作参戦となった[11]。その煽りでネスは削除される予定だったが、『MOTHER3』が海外で発売されていないという理由で再度参戦している[12]。

Here's a translation I found somewhere "Lucas was supposed to be in the previous game ''Super Smash Bros. Melee'', but due to how that worked out with Mother 3's eventual cancellation on the N64, he was cut. With his game coming back and being released on the GBA in 2006, he is in the game this time around -Brawl-. With that in mind, we had planned to scrap Ness, but because Mother 3 never got a release outside of Japan, Ness is back once more". But you can put it in Google translate if you want.

And the source is there, the April 2008 issue of Nintendo Dream.

 

[Kenith]

Sakurai said in an interview with a Japanese magazine called Nintendo Dream.

The Japanese Wikipedia page for Brawl states:Here's a translation I found somewhere "Lucas was supposed to be in the previous game ''Super Smash Bros. Melee'', but due to how that worked out with Mother 3's eventual cancellation on the N64, he was cut. With his game coming back and being released on the GBA in 2006, he is in the game this time around -Brawl-. With that in mind, we had planned to scrap Ness, but because Mother 3 never got a release outside of Japan, Ness is back once more". But you can put it in Google translate if you want.

And the source is there, the April 2008 issue of Nintendo Dream.

That is a very strange source. Also, it's not very clear when Ness was supposed to be cut. Is it still referring to Melee? The sequence of events in that article is strange.

 

[AncientTobacco]

That is a very strange source. Also, it's not very clear when Ness was supposed to be cut. Is it still referring to Melee? The sequence of events in that article is strange.

The Melee statement is from a different source. And I don't really see how a magazine is a "strange source".

 

[praline]

I understand it's insanity to say, but I can't discount it now. Samurai Goroh AT proves nothing, and Mac's nB is like the Falcon Kick and Falcon Punch combined. After all, wasn't everyone saying the same thing when Mewtwo didn't show up for Brawl?

Man I didn't know you own a copy of the game already. Could you give us other info that only you seem to have a hold of?

 

[Kenith]

Well, that explains why Lucas is such a blatant clone (and why he's so prominently featured in the story).

However, it's clear that the decision to cut Ness was reversed pretty much immediately. So it doesn't mean much.

edit: Also, I applaud you for having a source.

 

[Shagadelic_Baby]

I still find it weird that we haven't seen a Mother/Earthbound rep yet. Maybe during E3? But then again, if he only shows one of the 2, people will ask "Is _____ still in the game?" and if that's the case, we'll have to wait till that game's release. (1 is still better than none, tho')

 

[Kenith]

I hope that they revamp Lucas to make him a total wuss.

Like, his moveset is PK Love and Hypnosis, among other things (they already have the stick, that's a start)

 

[AncientTobacco]

Well, that explains why Lucas is such a blatant clone (and why he's so prominently featured in the story).

However, it's clear that the decision to cut Ness was reversed pretty much immediately. So it doesn't mean much.

True. But it does suggest that if it weren't for Ness's internationality, he might not have been in Brawl. It's another example of Sakurai taking the western fanbase into consideration.

edit: Also, I applaud you for having a source.

Well, I always make sure I have a source when it comes to Sakurai's statements.

 

[Shorts]

Weird. If anything, I actually think this helps Roy, if only because I do think there's an off-chance we might get four reps and that if we get a fourth character, it'd be him.

But yeah, Marth, Ike, and Chrom is the most likely scenario.

We better not get Marth Ike Marth/Ike and Red Marth. Especially if we don't get Dixie or K Rool. Maximum yucky.

 

[Shagadelic_Baby]

I hope that they revamp Lucas to make him a total wuss.

Like, his moveset is PK Love and Hypnosis, among other things (they already have the stick, that's a start)

Hehehe, PK Love heals your opponents. "Ah-Preas Undastahnd..."