Character Discussion Thread

[Rockaphin]

I don't know why so many people thought he'd get the boot. He was unique and extremely popular. . . What went against him?

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I don't know why so many people thought he'd get the boot. He was unique and extremely popular. . . What went against him?

Recency.

 

[Kenith]

Evidently being DLC in Awakening counts as recency though, as he promotes it.

Then again, so does Marth.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Me too. I also correctly predicted that he would use his Radiant Dawn look to fit his character archetype more.

Speculation points for us! :D

Not to take anything away from your Speculation Points, but I think most people guessed he would have an updated look.

Is anybody else just loving how he looks though? I'm actually interested in seeing if he has goofy facial expressions when he gets hit with stuff or if he's just going to be a badass the whole time.

 

[Rockaphin]

Recency.

Wasn't Radient Dawn only one game ahead of Awakening? Also, when was the last time Marth was playable outside DLC?

 

[EddyBearr]

Recency.

I feel like recency is really over-valued on Smashboards.


Glad to have successfully predicted Ike's return. I've also predicted that Chrom will not be in on account of niches conflicting with Ike (or Marth,) so he's out of the picture.

If we get another Fire Emblem character, it will be a female, and she will be fast/combo/rushdown oriented.

 

[Kenith]

Not to take anything away from your Speculation Points, but I think most people guessed he would have an updated look.

I know. But that doesn't invalidate my point, because I still guessed it.

edit: Also, I believe Radiant Dawn was out before Brawl, but he still used his Ranger design, so there was a chance the same would happen.

 

[Spinosaurus]

I don't know why so many people thought he'd get the boot. He was unique and extremely popular. . . What went against him?

Same reason people thought Lucario would be cut.

Flavor of the month or some crap. (Even though Lucario is flavor of the month every month lol)

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I feel like recency is really over-valued on Smashboards.


Glad to have successfully predicted Ike's return. I've also predicted that Chrom will not be in on account of niches conflicting with Ike (or Marth,) so he's out of the picture.

If we get another Fire Emblem character, it will be a female, and she will be fast/combo/rushdown oriented.

Uh...no. Chrom is not out of the picture. Ike and Marth have nothing to do with him or his chances.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I don't know why so many people thought he'd get the boot. He was unique and extremely popular. . . What went against him?

People are probably the dumbest creatures alive.

 

[*The Sensus Crustulum*]

I saw the last few pages and I kind of find it p*** taking that people think that Chrom is not getting in because of Ike represents Awakening on the page. C'mon guys, even thought we don't Ike him doesn't mean we have to shrug of other Awakening characters.

Methinks we are over-analyzing a little.

 

[Spinosaurus]

I hate Chrom and I think he's obviously in.

If anything, I think this solidifies his inclusion even more.

 

[GunGunW]

I wonder if we'll get another character reveal before E3, or is this it?

 

[EddyBearr]

Uh...no. Chrom is not out of the picture. Ike and Marth have nothing to do with him or his chances.

Sakurai has made it clear that he dislikes characters doing the same thing as other characters, both in the sense that he talks over-and-over about characters "bringing something others haven't brought" and by directly saying that if a character does the same thing as a character already in the game, then it's almost useless. Plus, Smash Bros is an extremely dynamic game, so niches and high variability become much more important.

The way I see it, there are three potential niches for Fire Emblem characters:
-1. Slow/heavy-Hitter (Ike)
-2. Fast/Moderate/Spacing (Marth)
-3. Fast/Combo/Rushdown (potential rep, would be female.)
Chrom would have either replaced Ike, or not been in, as he can only really fill the first two niches.

I know Smashboards tends to dislike my insight, though, so I was expecting the reply.

 

[Shagadelic_Baby]

I saw the last few pages and I kind of find it p*** taking that people think that Chrom is not getting in because of Ike represents Awakening on the page. C'mon guys, even thought we don't Ike him doesn't mean we have to shrug of other Awakening characters.

Methinks we are over-analyzing a little.

"even though we don't Ike him"

I wonder if we'll get another character reveal before E3, or is this it?

I think we'll see Wario on the release of Mario Kart 8.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

I wonder if we'll get another character reveal before E3, or is this it?

Unless you think we'll get another veteran in the next 18 days, this could very well be it.

 

[Gune]

Sakurai has made it clear that he dislikes characters doing the same thing as other characters, both in the sense that he talks over-and-over about characters "bringing something others haven't brought" and by directly saying that if a character does the same thing as a character already in the game, then it's almost useless. Plus, Smash Bros is an extremely dynamic game, so niches and high variability become much more important.

The way I see it, there are three potential niches for Fire Emblem characters:
-1. Slow/heavy-Hitter (Ike)
-2. Fast/Moderate/Spacing (Marth)
-3. Fast/Combo/Rushdown (potential rep, would be female.)
Chrom would have either replaced Ike, or not been in, as he can only really fill the first two niches.

I know Smashboards tends to dislike my insight, though, so I was expecting the reply.

Why can't the fast comboer/rush down charecter be male?

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

I wonder if we'll get another character reveal before E3, or is this it?

This is probably it, but if I had to predict someone, I'd say Wario

 

[Spinosaurus]

Sakurai has made it clear that he dislikes characters doing the same thing as other characters, both in the sense that he talks over-and-over about characters "bringing something others haven't brought" and by directly saying that if a character does the same thing as a character already in the game, then it's almost useless. Plus, Smash Bros is an extremely dynamic game, so niches and high variability become much more important.

The way I see it, there are three potential niches for Fire Emblem characters:
-1. Slow/heavy-Hitter (Ike)
-2. Fast/Moderate/Spacing (Marth)
-3. Fast/Combo/Rushdown (potential rep, would be female.)
Chrom would have either replaced Ike, or not been in, as he can only really fill the first two niches.

I know Smashboards tends to dislike my insight, though, so I was expecting the reply.

And why couldn't Chrom be rushdown and fast?

Speed, defense and strength are his highest base stats in Awakening.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Sakurai has made it clear that he dislikes characters doing the same thing as other characters, both in the sense that he talks over-and-over about characters "bringing something others haven't brought" and by directly saying that if a character does the same thing as a character already in the game, then it's almost useless. Plus, Smash Bros is an extremely dynamic game, so niches and high variability become much more important.

The way I see it, there are three potential niches for Fire Emblem characters:
-1. Slow/heavy-Hitter (Ike)
-2. Fast/Moderate/Spacing (Marth)
-3. Fast/Combo/Rushdown (potential rep, would be female.)
Chrom would have either replaced Ike, or not been in, as he can only really fill the first two niches.

I know Smashboards tends to dislike my insight, though, so I was expecting the reply.

Except Chrom has other possibilities. He has a shield at his disposal, and as seen in various Awakening cutscenes does things that Marth doesn't. He does lots of spinning and what have you.

Just because a character has a sword doesn't mean he's automatically going to be the same as another character. That's a bit foolish thinking at this point. We've seen character after character get in with a unique moveset. If Chrom gets in, which I'm almost certain he is, he's going to have something unique to him.

Not to mention, Sakurai made Little Mac unique. Yet all he does is punch. This can easily be done to Chrom. It's not like it's impossible for him to be unique. Thinking it IS impossible is getting ahead of ourselves.

As others have said, Chrom could just as easily be the rush down character anyway, so there's absolutely no reason to think he's out of the picture.

 

[Rockaphin]

I think Chrom will get in but I'm personally rooting for Robin or Anna. However, a fast rushdown character that doesn't use a long sword would be a unique addition.

 

[Kenith]

And why couldn't Chrom be rushdown and fast?

Speed, defense and strength are his highest base stats in Awakening.

Didn't that apply to Ike as well? I seem to recall that he was an all-around melee character rather than a strength guy.

 

[FinalStarmen]

In order to improve on some of Ike's impediments, it would be imperative to remove, or even reduce, the starting/ending lag to several of his attacks - the punishable Ike is is prone to the infliction of severe penalties. Otherwise, I would also increase his overall speed, among other much-needed advancements.

Hopefully, we shall bear witness to whatever buffs Ike will receive in the upcoming weeks.

Glad to have successfully predicted Ike's return. I've also predicted that Chrom will not be in on account of niches conflicting with Ike (or Marth,) so he's out of the picture. If we get another Fire Emblem character, it will be a female, and she will be fast/combo/rushdown oriented.

Several characters already share similar niches (Fox and Falco, Ness and Lucas), so this should not affect Chrom in the slightest.

I also severely doubt the likelihood of a female Fire Emblem newcomer, unless it is the gender-interchangeable Avatar (which I would favorably prefer instead of Chrom, although I do not expect inclusion). All that is leftover is Anna (another character I would prefer), a brazen wildcard whose importance lies only within the role of a representational mascot, which cannot nearly compare to Chrom, a main protagonist of a considerably successful title.

Sakurai has made it clear that he dislikes characters doing the same thing as other characters, both in the sense that he talks over-and-over about characters "bringing something others haven't brought" and by directly saying that if a character does the same thing as a character already in the game, then it's almost useless. Plus, Smash Bros is an extremely dynamic game, so niches and high variability become much more important.

The way I see it, there are three potential niches for Fire Emblem characters:
-1. Slow/heavy-Hitter (Ike)
-2. Fast/Moderate/Spacing (Marth)
-3. Fast/Combo/Rushdown (potential rep, would be female.)
Chrom would have either replaced Ike, or not been in, as he can only really fill the first two niches.

I know Smashboards tends to dislike my insight, though, so I was expecting the reply.

First of all, why does this "fast/combo/rush-down" character have to be female? Secondly, why can't Chrom?

 

[Shagadelic_Baby]

And why couldn't Chrom be rushdown and fast?

Speed, defense and strength are his highest base stats in Awakening.

It'd be cool is Chrom focused on Defensive moves and not as many offensive moves. That's what I think, anyway.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Not to mention, Sakurai made Little Mac unique. Yet all he does is punch. This can easily be done to Chrom. It's not like it's impossible for him to be unique. Thinking it IS impossible is getting ahead of ourselves.

You can easily make three boxers unique from each other without any of them having to kick or use weapons, because the fighting style is SO diverse and allows for many options. Though this really proves your point than anything, because it applies to swordplay as well.

Didn't that apply to Ike as well? I seem to recall that he was an all-around melee character rather than a strength guy.

You're exactly right, but this is good because now Chrom can fill what Ike could have filled, or he can be completely unique. (HE can uses axes and lances, after all.)

 

[Kenith]

Not to mention, Sakurai made Little Mac unique. Yet all he does is punch. This can easily be done to Chrom. It's not like it's impossible for him to be unique. Thinking it IS impossible is getting ahead of ourselves.

I think this is a bad example. This difference is that Chrom is known for things that are very similar to other characters (Marth, Ike) while Little Mac is only known for different punches, and a moveset based entirely around boxing would've been inherent unique because nobody else does just that, whether or not punching is unique in and of itself being irrelevant because no one else on the roster does it.

Not saying Chrom can't do his "own thing", but Little Mac isn't the best example.

Also, anything Chrom can do, Lucina can do.

 

[Spinosaurus]

It'd be cool is Chrom focused on Defensive moves and not as many offensive moves. That's what I think, anyway.

This is actually a good idea. This way we can have the three lords represent the main stats (if you will) of Fire Emblem.

Marth - Speed
Ike - Strength
Chrom - Defense

I like this a lot actually. Also fitting for me because my Chrom is a defensive monster lol.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Chrom at E3.

Tables being flipped.

Hilariously heated debates.

Make it happen, Sakurai!

 

[Bladeviper]

I hope they give him a Tomahawk for a side-special. Never really liked his playstyle, a projectile would be nice.

im just gonna bring this up since i didnt see it anywhere else he does not need a tomahawk or anything like that for a projectile his sword is magic and can used ranged attacks

 

[Kenith]

It'd be cool is Chrom focused on Defensive moves and not as many offensive moves. That's what I think, anyway.

No, no, guys, if we have a defensive Fire Emblem Awakening character, he needs to be wearing a big suit of armor. He needs to use lances, too, that would make him very unique. Someone who has an incredibly high defensive capability. And he

Unfortunately, I know of no such Fire Emblem Awakening character. If you know, be sure to tell me.

I can't see it happening.

 

[Gune]

Also, anything Chrom can do, Lucina can do.

She can't use them toilet while standing up.

Chrom 1

Lucina 0

This is actually a good idea. This way we can have the three lords represent the main stats (if you will) of Fire Emblem.

Marth - Speed
Ike - Strength
Chrom - Defense

I like this a lot actually. Also fitting for me because my Chrom is a defensive monster lol.

By defensive is he going to be a counter based charecter or just have a lot of damage reducing moves?

 

[GunGunW]

"even though we don't Ike him"
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I think we'll see Wario on the release of Mario Kart 8.

That's a possibility. Who knows, maybe he'll show Captain Falcon because it's a racing game that took inspiration for F-Zero.

 

[Plain Yogurt]

Man, every time I see people say Chrom can't be unique I just keep thinking "Awakening has second seals! He could be a weapon swapper with a bow and lance!" and then I remember that Sakurai deconfirmed changing movesets and I get sad again. I can only assume they'll have to implement his shield somehow to make him interesting.

 

[Bladeviper]

No, no, guys, if we have a defensive Fire Emblem Awakening character, he needs to be wearing a big suit of armor. He needs to use lances, too, that would make him very unique. Someone who has an incredibly high defensive capability. And he

Unfortunately, I know of no such Fire Emblem Awakening character. If you know, be sure to tell me.

I can't see it happening.

Ephraim kinda fits that model for lords characters the best

 

[FinalStarmen]

Man, every time I see people say Chrom can't be unique...

...I wish the topic would change immediately. Of all the characters I despise within general discourse, it is Chrom.


Anyways, should Ike be given a projectile?

 

[EbonyRubberWolf]

Well that shook things up. Huh. I had a particular image I thought looked fairly good but yeah it's dead now. So with Ike's return, a new FE rep's probably coming soon on his heels(both current FE representatives were revealed in fairly lackluster 'fanfare') with a trailer to boot. I figure they'll be the last newcomer though, the rest'll likely be brawl vets of some familiar stripe(I imagine Wolf, ROB, PT, Lucas, and Snake are gone). Makes the roster 40 characters, which is a nice round number. Not thrilled with that outcome, but it's realistic. Also, I don't think there will be unlockable characters this time around, given not only Sakurai's thoughts on SSE being spoiled and thus abandoning such a mode, but Namco's history with Tekken and Soulcalibur generally having all characters immediately available at the start to allow tourney play and the like.

 

[BluePikmin11]

...I wish the topic would change immediately. Of all the characters I despise within general discourse, it is Chrom.

Anyways, should Ike be given a projectile?

Ragnell throwing projectile please, yes!

 

[MAGMIS]

IF Ike and Chrom is in, then Mewtwo and Lucario is in. lol

 

[Bladeviper]

...I wish the topic would change immediately. Of all the characters I despise within general discourse, it is Chrom.

Anyways, should Ike be given a projectile?

it would be easy to do i think since he has one in his games. also i think chrom could be the most unique of all the lords from the fe games as i think he is the only one who has more then two class options. They should make him a dread fighter so he can use magic with his sword lol

 

[Deleted member]

Ephraim kinda fits that model for lords characters the best

True, Ephraim has the lance part down, but in terms of being defensive his body type nor his armor seem sufficient enough to be a defensive machine, if anything I would imagine he would be a middleweight fighter with exceptional reach thanks to his lance.

Spoiler

EDIT: I take back partially what I said about his armor, it seems okay in this picture.