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I just listed a good reason right there! The same point I've brought up multiple times, yet no one listens to me because reasons.
Correction: Popularity helped sonic.
Sonic wasn't wanted ONLY because Sega was co-developing the game (Sega didn't ever co-develop the game). He was highly requested (before Brawl was even conceived) and grossly prominent. The examples are not comparable by any stretch of the imagination.
Well, they are getting paid. It's not like this is charity work.
Character+Galaga Aliens > Characters > Galaga Aliens
why? Think about what happened with Tekken. it used nintendo costumes (and items..?), and they didn't get Captain Falcon or someone else as a character.
Huh? Pac Man is definitely popular. He's pretty much the face of video games to those who aren't particularly dedicated to the medium.
I was half-serious. Sonic being an icon DID help him out, though.
You know what? I get it. You win this argument. It makes sense now. This is the same logic that I believe got us Mega Man.Alright, let''a go through why Pac-Man deserves it, then.
Ever since the arcade days, Pac-Man has been alongside Nintendo machines. Ever see Class of 81 arcade machines? Donkey Kong is prominently featured among Ms. Pac-Man and Galaga, two games directly tied to Pac-Man (Galaga and Pac-Man go hand in hand).
Namco was also a supporter of the NES. Many Namco games were included on the NES, among them an arcade port of Pac-Man. Cut to many years later, when a Pac-Man game had appeared in nearly every Nintendo console created and still continues to do so (don't complain about quality or else I'll bring up Sonic).
Pac-Man appeared in a Mario Kart arcade game, and Pac-Man Vs for the GameCube was developed by none other than Shigeru Miyamoto.
And now Smash is being co-developed by Namco, which is essentially icing on the cake.
But he could very well get in anyway because he's freaking Pac-Man.
Of course it was a contributing factor, but the circumstances were entirely different.
Touche. However, adding a Nintendo character would've caused backlash since it would've been console-exclusive to a console that Tekken's fanbase wouldn't like as much. I do think that's something of note.
Pac-Man is known most for doing pretty much one thing. However, that doesn't mean he's not also known for doing other things. Is Mario known for using FLUDD? No. Does he use it in Smash anyways? Yes.
It was a contributing factor, that's all I meant.
It's not always about the high amount of requests you know.
In the context of Smash Bros. Pacman is more iconic than every character in this game. But Mega Man was/is far more requested for Smash Bros.
What else is he known for doing? As a Pac-Man fan, would you care to elaborate?
The sooner we start differentiating "popular" from "popularly requested", the better. You're right.
It's pretty important when it's a third-party in question.
I agree with this sentiment, requests are MUCH more important in regards to third-party characters. The criteria is vastly different.
Exploring, punching baddies (those punching gloves he had weren't just for show), his signature butt-bounce and rev-roll, using other Namco items and interacting with other Namco universes (x), turning into a ball, throwing pellets, riding karts, etc.. He's done about as much stuff as Mario has, even if a lot of that stuff never became iconic to him.
Note: I said popular for smash
Still. my point was more like that they used Nintendo IPs in Tekken for no MAJOR reason. that point still stands strong.
That's actually a really good counterpoint, considering it is the same companies. I guess the main difference is that getting a character in Tekken isn't as big a deal about getting a character in Smash Bros..
But, at the same time, getting a character in Smash Bros. in general, especially a third-party, is extremely difficult for everyone involved.
And, at the same time, it's far less difficult when the two companies are already in contact with one another for the making of the game.
I think Pacman should get sued by sonic for his rev roll. (also he's not "well known" for doing this at all. I didn't even know he did a lot of these things before coming to smashboards a year and a half ago.)
WHY IS THIS HERE?
Back to square one. Tekken didn't get a Nintendo character.
I honestly feel as though some people feel obligated to support Pac-Man solely based on his prominence. It is hard to determine who actually WANTS him as opposed to who finds him likely.
Again, take the FLUDD example. That's what I'm trying to get at. He may not be well known for doing those things (I'm just saying those are his more common abilities), they can still be used very easily to make a moveset.
Because it happens so frequently. Those are all non-crossover games.
I'm not a huge Pac-Man fan or supporter, but I would very much like to see him in.
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Same; I do not enjoy his character, I do not think he offers anything unique, but I would love to see him. It would just be amazing to play as such an iconic character. It is so easy to be discontent when he is merely a possibility, but looking forward, it would be a privilege for Smash 4 to contain Pac-Man. I mean, I felt as though Sonic was a rushed character that didn't offer much, so this would be nothing different (aside from the notion that he wouldn't be rushed).
so what you are saying that, it's about the equivalent of... mario cameos in zelda?
Every character from the Sal Romano leak, but yet no Chorus Men? I didn't realize that people actually wanted Pac-Man, Mii, and Chrom (in addition to Villager and Wii Fit Trainer already on the roster) in the same roster. That is just begging for some of the most generic characters of all time.My new prediction roster. 52 characters.
Kinda, but not really. Most of the time these things are very interactable. Pooka is one of the characters you need to save in Pac-Man World, King Galaxian is a boss, Galaxians are a major collectable item in the Pac-Man World series that transports you to a maze, Pookas are enemies in the Volcano level of Pac-Man World 2, and so on and so forth.
I must ask; is this a prediction or wishlist roster?I don't think I posted this here yet.
Added Snake this time, eat your heart out.
Nothing to say. Looks standard to me, sans Professor Layton and Grovyle (both are good choices in my book)I don't think I posted this here yet.
Added Snake this time, eat your heart out.
Was the Double Random intentional? If it was, you should put one on the left to make it symmetrical.I don't think I posted this here yet.
Added Snake this time, eat your heart out.
That's what I'm saying,
