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On the other side of the coin, Ridley could be performing a new sort of flying mechanic that we have not yet seen, allowing him to fly for a little while and perform smash attacks and grabs midair as many Ridley supporters have speculated. The fact that Ridley just stops there without attacking or anything is cryptic in itself.
This is based on an idea we've come up with here at Smashboards, and I find it plausible that Ridley would be that sort of aerial fighter.
Ignoring the Ridley topic, did anyone else notice Issac was not revealed with all the other Brawl assists in the direct?
Tingle and Mr. Resetti confirmed.
 
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If a Nintendo character had to be a main boss (much like Bowser in Melee who then turned into GigaBowser), which character should it be?
 

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Ignoring the Ridley topic, did anyone else notice Issac was not revealed with all the other Brawl assists in the direct?
Yeah, people have been theorizing about that for a while now. Doesn't seem to mean anything, as some other ATs in Brawl weren't shown as well.

If a Nintendo character had to be a main boss (much like Bowser in Melee who then turned into GigaBowser), which character should it be?
Master Hand. :troll:

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I can't believe people are not looking at the big picture of ridley's case
1) If ridley is aboss, Why is he way smaller than he was in other m, brawl or whatever game he is big as ****? By comparing shadow you can tell he is not that much bigger than bowser or rosalina
2)A "boss hazard" is just a stage hazard, we have ones like that since melee
3) The pyrosphere is obviously hiding something
-There are some purple things in the stage, those things weren't in other m
-The lava dissapears for some reason in the FD, why does the lava dissapears if it is only part of the background?
I'm 99% that the lava is the actual hazard just like I'm 99% that ridley is playable, I would be very surprised to see a hazard ridley and I would blame Sakurai for reading too many miiverse comments
 

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Ignoring the Ridley topic, did anyone else notice Issac was not revealed with all the other Brawl assists in the direct?
Well, I WAS going to point out that he was a secret AT in Brawl, and was only revealed as such on the Dojo site, but I guess everybody else has already done that, haven't they?

But yeah, I don't think that states much either way. He just won a battle, not necessarily the war.
 

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Ignoring the Ridley topic, did anyone else notice Issac was not revealed with all the other Brawl assists in the direct?
I noticed as well. Looks like either he's back as an unlockable AT or he might finally be playable

If a Nintendo character had to be a main boss (much like Bowser in Melee who then turned into GigaBowser), which character should it be?
GigaRidley :troll:
 

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Out of curiosity, what is your explanation for the way Ridley moves?
The game is almost complete, so he's likely not in early development. He moves much like a playable character, rather than a boss (man I've said that so many times lately).

And also the fact that lava seems to be treated as a stage hazard in Pyrosphere in a Final Destination (no lava, that is) makes me skeptical of a boss appearance (two stage hazards?). Plus the gaping hole that many expected Ridley's head to pop out of is still there.

So there's a lot going in his favor, believe it or not. I become more confident each day because it's looking like a classic Sakurai move more and more.

I really didn't expect you to say that, since you have been pretty negative in the past about Ridley, but I'm glad you've changed sides Shorti- uh, Shorts.
There's no way to prove it's the Final Destination version. There is simply no way. The angle of the camera in the footage is not at an angle that would be able to show the platforms. That argument is tough to argue with little to no evidence supporting it. (Not to mention, Yellow Devil appears on Wily's Castle without platforms in the Direct anyway. So the FD argument is moot)

The way he moves? We're basing this off of his shadow. There is no way to tell how he should move as a playable. Really, I don't get what you mean if we don't have a video of a playable character's shadow to compare.

The lava has not been confirmed to even be a hazard on this stage. While Lava has been on the rest of the Metroid stages in Smash, for all we know it's not the hazard.

The fact still stands that he was referenced as a boss fight character in the boss fight section of the Direct.
 

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Throwing out my two sense that Sakurai is well aware of the Ridley fanbase's desires for him to not be a boss and is consciously jerking them around despite not listening, as well as that this sort of malevolence is not past him...he's not "above" it by any stretch of the imagination.
 

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OR he just wanted to tease a boss character. Seriously, when has Sakurai ever teased an actual character, other than the two seconds he said Zero Suit Samus wasn't playable? He's not that cruel. I'm pretty certain he meant the shadow as a deconfirmation and people here took it the exact opposite way.
Technically he teased Sheik. I don't know if you remember, but after Phantom was blatantly a move, everyone went crazy thinking it was an assist trophy to avoid any implications of Sheik being removed.

Ignoring the Ridley topic, did anyone else notice Issac was not revealed with all the other Brawl assists in the direct?
All other Brawl assists were revealed in the Direct? I don't recall.
 
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I'm pretty sure you can figure this out. No need to tease Ridley when one can just slam the deconfirmation card on a character.
Except...
This isn't a case like Assist Trophies where it's nothing new and a reveal would be casual at best.

If you had read what I had said earlier in the thread, you would notice that this concept is new. Never before in Smash have stages featured boss fights in mid-match.
It took quite a while for Sakurai to even mention that this was a thing, showing off Yellow Devil in a mini-clip at the end of Mega Man's trailer and through some pictures with little context that implied YD was just the typical stage hazard.
Yellow Devil is also the only known Stage Boss. He's said that there will be more, but he's being very slow about showing them off, with only hints that Ridley's one of them. In a video that outright shows off a number of Assists and Pokemon.
Clearly, this is a big deal to Sakurai, one that will get very little detail until later on (possibly not even until release if SSE's bosses are anything to go by).
 

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He never leaked Rosalina either. There's more to the roster than what he's revealed.

Also now that we have two release dates. I'm thinkin we're gonna have 3DS DLC and Wii U come with characters already on the disc because of the time gap.

I really didn't expect you to say that, since you have been pretty negative in the past about Ridley, but I'm glad you've changed sides Shorti- uh, Shorts.
There's no side change. I still don't care for him as a character. As a potential moveset maybe, he's just looking more likely.
 
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2)A "boss hazard" is just a stage hazard, we have ones like that since melee
Please name a stage from Melee or Brawl that had bosses appear which you could team up against with the other people playing that would also reward the player who delivered the final blow.
 

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Please name a stage from Melee or Brawl that had bosses appear which you could team up against with the other people playing that would also reward the player who delivered the final blow.
Kraid was my favorite stage-hazard reminiscent of a boss character (obviously you can't team up to take him out, but that is all the more reason to bring the stage back for Smash 4 :denzel:).
 
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While there are many things to take into consideration, a lot of people seem to be forgetting one particular factor.

Ridley's shadow was shown immediately after Sakurai finished talking about the Yellow Devil, saying "Boss characters appear in other stages, not just this one."

Even when taking all other things into consideration, how does this one factor not hurt Ridley's chances?
 
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The version of the stage used in the Ridley clip is the hazardous version.

The lava on the stage is missing in the Final Destination version, however in the Direct you can clearly see lava particles flying by the stage, as well as the faint glow of the lava beneath it.

What intrigues me is that there are multiple bosses in the Pyrosphere, most of which associated with lava, and the lava being removed from the FD version of the stage seems to confirm it will interact with the gameplay somehow.

Perhaps there actually is a boss character on the Pyrosphere - it just isn't Ridley?
 

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Also the argument that Sakurai wouldn't overlook Ridley on account of his popularity...Ridley is not THAT important to Smash Bros. I'm telling you right now it can survive without him playable.
 

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While the are many things to take into consideration, a lot of people seem to be forgetting one particular thing.

Ridley's shadow as shown immediately after Sakurai finished talking about the Yellow Devil, saying "Boss characters appear in other stages as well, not just this one."

Even when taking all other things into consideration, how does this one factor not hurt Ridley's chances?
It does, it just doesn't hurt them enough for me to consider that he isn't playable.
 

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While the are many things to take into consideration, a lot of people seem to be forgetting one particular thing.

Ridley's shadow as shown immediately after Sakurai finished talking about the Yellow Devil, saying "Boss characters appear in other stages as well, not just this one."

Even when taking all other things into consideration, how does this one factor not hurt Ridley's chances?
It does hurt his chances. It's not insurmountable if Sakurai decides to screw around and use that as a play on words...as in, Bowser, Ganondorf, etc. can be "boss characters" on the Pyrosphere as well, or playable Ridley can be a "boss character" on any stage. But this is obviously grasping for straws, so yeah.
 

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While the are many things to take into consideration, a lot of people seem to be forgetting one particular thing.

Ridley's shadow as shown immediately after Sakurai finished talking about the Yellow Devil, saying "Boss characters appear in other stages as well, not just this one."

Even when taking all other things into consideration, how does this one factor not hurt Ridley's chances?
That's the thing yes it affects his chance but it's... kinda weird. Because he either wanted to tell by showing ridley's shadow while saying this that it is indeed a boss character but this raise the question of why not showing him. Or, if you take these words literally, it means that "other boss character (which might not be ridley) makes appearance on other stages (which might not be pyrosphere)." So, technically, by having the find mii boss on the find mii stage, that would make this statement already true.

It's just one of those evidences that bring, if you consider facts only, his chance to 50/50 because it's impossible to tell like all the evidences.
 

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This week in honor of Godzilla's premiere, I think we need a Bowser picture. (fighting Ridley)
 
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That reminds me.
Predicting Giga Bowser reveal (if he's Bowser's Final Smash again) for Friday's pic. :troll:
 
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Guys.

I got this gif from a leaked trailer for Godzilla being in Smash.
He's being revealed Friday to celebrate the movie's release. :awesome:



It's the last few frames of his Up Taunt.
 

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Guys.

I got this gif from a leaked trailer for Godzilla being in Smash.
He's being revealed Friday to celebrate the movie's release. :awesome:



It's the last few frames of his Up Taunt.
**** YEAH FOURSIDE'S BACK (also, I want that to happen, easily the best earthbound/mother series stage so far in my book :3)
 

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It seems like they're going for a more cartoony approach for this game. I think if they're gonna add Ridley, they need to make him less intimidating to fit in with the atmosphere of it.
 

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It seems like they're going for a more cartoony approach for this game. I think if they're gonna add Ridley, they need to make him less intimidating to fit in with the atmosphere of it.
Well, if he's playable, he'll probably have a pretty exaggerated purple hue. And if Snake makes it back, I'll just love to see how well he fits in now xD
 

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It seems like they're going for a more cartoony approach for this game. I think if they're gonna add Ridley, they need to make him less intimidating to fit in with the atmosphere of it.
I think regardless he needs a redesign if he's to be playable.

Something similar to the body shape of Other M Ridley to transition more easily as a fighter.
 

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Kraid was my favorite stage-hazard reminiscent of a boss character (obviously you can't team up to take him out, but that is all the more reason to bring the stage back for Smash 4 :denzel:).
Kraid lost his novelty once you realize he comes back 5 seconds after he descends to the lava.

Jesus christ dude decide where you wanna be.
 

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People are saying things that I never said. I'm not sure if it's targeted at me or simply Ridley supporters in general, but I will say this.
I am not at all positive about Ridley's chances. I'm pretty much 50/50 and could very well see it going either way. I never stated him as inevitable, and I would be absolutely fine if he wasn't in the game considering I'm likely getting Little Mac, Palutena, Mewtwo, and possibly K. Rool. And I know that the Direct was a massive blow to his chances.

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I don't mean the way the shadow looks. I simply mean the way it acts. It literally flies in, does nothing for 2 seconds, and flies forward again. There's no argument about that, and it just seems like a weird thing for a boss to do, as they are usually always attacking. Take the Ridley battle in Brawl for example. Going back to it I realize that Ridley would often fly in place, but he would immediately transition into another attacks, rather than simply flying forward like his shadow seems to do in the Direct footage. And yes he grabs Pikachu afterwards, but it doesn't look like he transitions into this attack, rather he flies a little first and attacks offscreen. Ridley is well known for grabbing people in his boss battles, but many Smashboarders had speculated Ridley to have aerial grabs, which could very well be the case in what we saw. So we'll have to wait and see I would say, Sakurai really went out of his way to make the footage shown as generic and unhelpful as possible.

Also this is what I was referring to, not the footage in the Ridley scene.
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The lava is no longer coming out of the walls like it does in normal Pyrosphere, which leads me to believe that it acts as a hazard. Nothing is confirmed pertaining to the lava, but I feel like the main reason for this is due to the vagueness surrounding Ridley. I see no reason why Sakurai would take out the lava if it weren't a hazard, since then it would simply be an aesthetic detail with no need to be removed. Also the holes are still there, and most have speculated that Ridley crashes through the walls and creates these holes. Clearly that is not the case.

Edit: I guess I should note that in Brawl's Ridley battle he idles at the ends of the stage rather than the middle like in the Direct. This doesn't mean much but I meant to say it before.
 
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People are saying things that I never said. I'm not sure if it's targeted at me or simply Ridley supporters in general, but I will say this.
I am not at all positive about Ridley's chances. I'm pretty much 50/50 and could very well see it going either way. I never stated him as inevitable, and I would be absolutely fine if he wasn't in the game considering I'm likely getting Little Mac, Palutena, Mewtwo, and possibly K. Rool. And I know that the Direct was a massive blow to his chances.

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I don't mean the way the shadow looks. I simply mean the way it acts. It literally flies in, does nothing for 2 seconds, and flies forward again. There's no argument about that, and it just seems like a weird thing for a boss to do, as they are usually always attacking. Take the Ridley battle in Brawl for example. Going back to it I realize that Ridley would often fly in place, but he would immediately transition into another attacks, rather than simply flying forward like his shadow seems to do in the Direct footage. And yes he grabs Pikachu afterwards, but it doesn't look like he transitions into this attack, rather he flies a little first and attacks offscreen. Ridley is well known for grabbing people in his boss battles, but many Smashboarders had speculated Ridley to have aerial grabs, which could very well be the case in what we saw. So we'll have to wait and see I would say, Sakurai really went out of his way to make the footage shown as generic and unhelpful as possible.

Also this is what I was referring to, not the footage in the Ridley scene.
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The lava is no longer coming out of the walls like it does in normal Pyrosphere, which leads me to believe that it acts as a hazard. Nothing is confirmed pertaining to the lava, but I feel like the main reason for this is due to the vagueness surrounding Ridley. I see no reason why Sakurai would take out the lava if it weren't a hazard, since then it would simply be an aesthetic detail with no need to be removed. Also the holes are still there, and most have speculated that Ridley crashes through the walls and creates these holes. Clearly that is not the case.

Edit: I guess I should note that in Brawl's Ridley battle he idles at the ends of the stage rather than the middle like in the Direct. This doesn't mean much but I meant to say it before.
Does anyone have any ideas what those purple cylinders are? I cannot for the life of me figure out what they do, and why they're different-looking between normal and FD versions.
 

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Does anyone have any ideas what those purple cylinders are? I cannot for the life of me figure out what they do, and why they're different-looking between normal and FD versions.
Most likely an actual stage hazard. There not in the Other M Pyrosphere at all either I checked.
 

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I don't mean the way the shadow looks. I simply mean the way it acts. It literally flies in, does nothing for 2 seconds, and flies forward again. There's no argument about that, and it just seems like a weird thing for a boss to do, as they are usually always attacking. Take the Ridley battle in Brawl for example. Going back to it I realize that Ridley would often fly in place, but he would immediately transition into another attacks, rather than simply flying forward like his shadow seems to do in the Direct footage. And yes he grabs Pikachu afterwards, but it doesn't look like he transitions into this attack, rather he flies a little first and attacks offscreen. Ridley is well known for grabbing people in his boss battles, but many Smashboarders had speculated Ridley to have aerial grabs, which could very well be the case in what we saw. So we'll have to wait and see I would say, Sakurai really went out of his way to make the footage shown as generic and unhelpful as possible.
Considering the fact that Stage Bosses are a completely new thing that acts differently than the regular boss fights in Brawl, I would have to say we can't compare those old boss fights to what we have now. We also need to think that each Stage Boss will most likely behave differently when compared to each other or else they would be redundant. It's very possible that one of the ways Ridley attacks as a boss is to lock onto the closest character and grab them, which is what we see him do to Pikachu.

Also, the fact that Sakurai got rid of Pit's flying ability (Up B) makes me seriously doubt that we would have a character that can fly AND grab other characters at the same time. As far as I know, the only character remotely close to that is Peach with her hovering ability, but I'm sure she couldn't grab anyone when she did that.
 

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Considering the fact that Stage Bosses are a completely new thing that acts differently than the regular boss fights in Brawl, I would have to say we can't compare those old boss fights to what we have now. We also need to think that each Stage Boss will most likely behave differently when compared to each other or else they would be redundant. It's very possible that one of the ways Ridley attacks as a boss is to lock onto the closest character and grab them, which is what we see him do to Pikachu.

Also, the fact that Sakurai got rid of Pit's flying ability (Up B) makes me seriously doubt that we would have a character that can fly AND grab other characters at the same time. As far as I know, the only character remotely close to that is Peach with her hovering ability, but I'm sure she couldn't grab anyone when she did that.
Well, considering the fact that Pit wasn't supposed to be an avid flyer in the first place (unless I have no idea about what I'm talking about.) And Sakurai has already broken some unspoken rules already about characters (projectiles for a jab? MOST UNORTHODOX!) I don't really see how that concept is so hard to believe. It's different, but that should be a good thing =P
 

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Considering the fact that Stage Bosses are a completely new thing that acts differently than the regular boss fights in Brawl, I would have to say we can't compare those old boss fights to what we have now. We also need to think that each Stage Boss will most likely behave differently when compared to each other or else they would be redundant. It's very possible that one of the ways Ridley attacks as a boss is to lock onto the closest character and grab them, which is what we see him do to Pikachu.

Also, the fact that Sakurai got rid of Pit's flying ability (Up B) makes me seriously doubt that we would have a character that can fly AND grab other characters at the same time. As far as I know, the only character remotely close to that is Peach with her hovering ability, but I'm sure she couldn't grab anyone when she did that.
So because Ridley can do something unique that nobody else does he can't be playable? Also Ridley in the direct only hovered just like Peach. He went in a complete straight line without gaining height.
 
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