Character Discussion Thread

[Dark Phazon]

Ignoring the Ridley topic, did anyone else notice Issac was not revealed with all the other Brawl assists in the direct?

Sakurai said AT & Pokeballs are not all the same on both versions.

Its very possible Issac can be a exclusive 3DS AT.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

Considering the fact that Stage Bosses are a completely new thing that acts differently than the regular boss fights in Brawl, I would have to say we can't compare those old boss fights to what we have now. We also need to think that each Stage Boss will most likely behave differently when compared to each other or else they would be redundant. It's very possible that one of the ways Ridley attacks as a boss is to lock onto the closest character and grab them, which is what we see him do to Pikachu.

Also, the fact that Sakurai got rid of Pit's flying ability (Up B) makes me seriously doubt that we would have a character that can fly AND grab other characters at the same time. As far as I know, the only character remotely close to that is Peach with her hovering ability, but I'm sure she couldn't grab anyone when she did that.

Honestly, I don't believe Ridley is grabbing Pikachu in that clip. The zig-zagging tail-shape is more likely due to the floor decor zig-zagging Ridley's tail.

 

[Will]

Sakurai said AT & Pokeballs are not all the same on both versions.

Its very possible Issac can be a exclusive 3DS AT.

"Roughly."

Something I remember from one of the PoTD's after the direct.

 

[jweb22]

Well, considering the fact that Pit wasn't supposed to be an avid flyer in the first place (unless I have no idea about what I'm talking about.) And Sakurai has already broken some unspoken rules already about characters (projectiles for a jab? MOST UNORTHODOX!) I don't really see how that concept is so hard to believe. It's different, but that should be a good thing =P

Or a very BROKEN thing.

 

[Louie G.]

It wouldn't be broken if you don't gain any height.
Jump to a certain height and activate your fly. It would wear away in a short while.
You wouldn't gain height, it would simply make you more mobile in the air by being able to move back and forth quicker, making Ridley the fastest aerial fighter but the slowest ground fighter.
Such a mechanic would let you use smash attacks and grabs in midair. It wouldn't be broken at all since it's not meant for recovery purposes, and Ridley would be created specifically to fight in the air, making him much weaker on the ground.
Again, the polar opposite of Little Mac.

 

[MargnetMan23]

Or a very BROKEN thing.

You do have a point, but then there are plenty of other factors to consider, for example is their anything brokenly advantageous to an aerial grab if it could still only grab grounded opponents?

 

[ultimatekoopa]

Or a very BROKEN thing.

Little Mac has a one hit K.O, Rosalina has a living puppet, Megaman normal attacks are projectiles and Wii Fit Trainer can power up herself, flying isn't that broken when you think about it

 

[N3ON]

Sakurai said AT & Pokeballs are not all the same on both versions.

Its very possible Issac can be a exclusive 3DS AT.

If anything I see the 3DS as having a more limited amount of ATs and Pokeballs than the Wii U. If the Wii U can have ATs like Dillon, I wouldn't exactly put much stock into exclusivity being based on which system the character is more prevalent on, it's probably just that it's harder for the 3DS to handle as many summon-able characters and their effects than the Wii U.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Shulk would be a great character to use for E3. I feel like Palutena could get revealed two, along with Pac-Man and the Mii's (*shudders). But I agree. Shulk would be a great character to reveal.

I'm banking on Shulk and Pac-Man. Meanwhile I'm expecting Palutena and Mii to hidden away until the release date of Super Smash Bros. for 3DS.

The main reasons is because Shulk is sort of going through a "planets aligning" type situation, where it seems like everything is falling into place suspiciously well. While for Pac-Man it's a type of situation where revealing another guest character would be ideal, due to E3 being widely reported and publicized. Plus it's a way of trying to cater to different sides, which from a advertisement standpoint would be ideal. Hence why I'm doubtful towards Mii and Palutena due to there being nothing that exactly pushes either, but at the same time it wouldn't be impossible.

 

[jweb22]

I not simply talking about the flying part, but the aerial grabs. If a character has special aerial grabs then would it be simply restricted to being used against grounded characters or would it be possible to grab airborne opponents as well? If grabbing airborne opponents is the case then it would be very broken.

 

[OblivionWolf]

Little Mac has a one hit K.O, Rosalina has a living puppet, Megaman normal attacks are projectiles and Wii Fit Trainer can power up herself, flying isn't that broken when you think about it

I was just about to say this lol. Rosalina can hit me from 20 feet away with a puppet but to balance her out she is floaty and a big target and Mac is a monster on the ground and can KO you in 1 hit when his bar is filled but sucks in the air.

And again Ridley flied only in a straight line in the direct just like Peach so what he does pales in comparison to what these other newcomers can do.

I not simply talking about the flying part, but the aerial grabs. If a character has special aerial grabs then would it be simply restricted to being used against grounded characters or would it be possible to grab airborne opponents as well? If grabbing airborne opponents is the case then it would be very broken.

You mean like Captain Falcons up B, Bowsers side B in the air, and Ganon's side B in the air???

 

[FlareHabanero]

I not simply talking about the flying part, but the aerial grabs. If a character has special aerial grabs then would it be simply restricted to being used against grounded characters or would it be possible to grab airborne opponents as well? If grabbing airborne opponents is the case then it would be very broken.

Ganondorf and Bowser confirmed for broken.

 

[Louie G.]

I not simply talking about the flying part, but the aerial grabs. If a character has special aerial grabs then would it be simply restricted to being used against grounded characters or would it be possible to grab airborne opponents as well? If grabbing airborne opponents is the case then it would be very broken.

Define "broken".
Little Mac is borderline "broken" on the ground, but he sucks in the air.
Ridley's like that, only the opposite.
Thus, balance.

 

[Dark Phazon]

I dont think Mac's gonna be as bad in the air as everyone thinks/we have been told tbh.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[OblivionWolf]

Define "broken".
Little Mac is borderline "broken" on the ground, but he sucks in the air.
Ridley's like that, only the opposite.
Thus, balance.

He will most likely be a big target too and when he is hit while hovering he'll drop like a rock and be grounded/vulnerable.

 

[jweb22]

Define "broken".
Little Mac is borderline "broken" on the ground, but he sucks in the air.
Ridley's like that, only the opposite.
Thus, balance.

Little Mac is not even "broken" on the ground. All he gets are invincibility frames when he uses his specials, he's fast and he hits harder than the other characters while on the ground. Not to mention it takes forever for his power meter to fill up.

Saying Ridley could have "aerial grabs" suggest that he could grab falling characters and have the option of directional throwing which could mean throwing them up in the air and then chain grab the falling opponent again and again and again until they have enough damage to allow throwing them far enough for a KO. That would be something considered "broken."

 

[ultimatekoopa]

Little Mac is not even "broken" on the ground. All he gets are invincibility frames when he uses his specials, he's fast and he hits harder than the other characters while on the ground. Not to mention it takes forever for his power meter to fill up.

Saying Ridley could have "aerial grabs" suggest that he could grab falling characters and have the option of directional throwing which could mean throwing them up in the air and then chain grab the falling opponent again and again and again until they have enough damage to allowing them far enough for a KO. That would be something considered "broken."

Little Mac is able to **** on projectiles and 1 shot other people, Rosalina can K.O two characters at different places at the same time and WFT powers herself up, Ridley would obviously have a time limit and sending his opponent to far would also left him vulnerable to get owned by a projectile or Pikachu anti aerial move

 

[BluePikmin11]

Sakurai said AT & Pokeballs are not all the same on both versions.

Its very possible Issac can be a exclusive 3DS AT.

He said almost the amount of ATs will be the same as the WIi U version.

 

[jweb22]

Little Mac is able to **** on projectiles and 1 shot other people, Rosalina can K.O two characters at different places at the same time and WFT powers herself up, Ridley would obviously have a time limit and sending his opponent to far would also left him vulnerable to get owned by a projectile or Pikachu anti aerial move

You act as if Little Mac's KO move can be used all the time. Luma can be destroyed, it's not some invincible puppet for Rosalina to use. You need to have precise timing to get the buff from Wii Fit Trainer's power up special which clearly takes quite a bit of time which allows for counter attacks.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

The Ridley for Super Smash Brothers for Wii U / 3DS Thread

Ok part 2 has ben repaired a little bit i give a big thanks to Dalek_Kolt for helping me with that

 

[OblivionWolf]

You act as if Little Mac's KO move can be used all the time. Luma can be destroyed, it's not some invincible puppet for Rosalina to use. You need to have precise timing to get the buff from Wii Fit Trainer's power up special which clearly takes quite a bit of time which allows for counter attacks.

And Ridley's abilities would have limits too....C'mon dude.

 

[ultimatekoopa]

You act as if Little Mac's KO move can be used all the time. Luma can be destroyed, it's not some invincible puppet for Rosalina to use. You need to have precise timing to get the buff from Wii Fit Trainer's power up special which clearly takes quite a bit of time which allows for counter attacks.

Just like Ridley would have have a time limit of his "aerial move" you are talking as if ridley would be able to always fly without any limit, something that wouldn't happen, ridley ability to fly would make him more unique and it isn't so broken compared to the rest of the cast

 

[Louie G.]

Little Mac is not even "broken" on the ground. All he gets are invincibility frames when he uses his specials, he's fast and he hits harder than the other characters while on the ground. Not to mention it takes forever for his power meter to fill up.

Saying Ridley could have "aerial grabs" suggest that he could grab falling characters and have the option of directional throwing which could mean throwing them up in the air and then chain grab the falling opponent again and again and again until they have enough damage to allow throwing them far enough for a KO. That would be something considered "broken."

Oh, Mac only gets invincibility frames, incredibly hard hitting moves, superhuman speed, and a one hit KO move, no biggie.

Ridley getting aerial grabs wouldn't be such a problem if his grab range, speed, and possibly strength is terrible on the ground. So in the end there's no reason to fight on the ground as Ridley and all of your combat will be in the air. In this case people can stay on the ground and attack using recovery moves and aimed projectiles to stay out of your range. Not to mention his gargantuan size. Ridley fights in the air and almost solely in the air. The best strategy is to stay in the air as that's where you exceed in. JUST LIKE MAC and Jigglypuff.

 

[jweb22]

And Ridley's abilities would have limits too....C'mon dude.

I don't even know why I started debating a hypothetical Ridley moveset in the first place. If you want to cling onto the slim hopes of Ridley being playable...that's fine. I'm done with all things Ridley as nothing anyone says will make anyone change their opinions. For all you Ridley supporters, I hope he's playable so you guys are happy but I serious sense your disappointment.

 

[Morbi]

I don't even know why I started debating a hypothetical Ridley moveset in the first place. If you want to cling onto the slim hopes of Ridley being playable...that's fine. I'm done with all things Ridley as nothing anyone says will make anyone change their opinions. For all you Ridley supporters, I hope he's playable so you guys are happy but I serious sense your disappointment.

That is the best part about Ridley; I already know that he is playable, but if I am wrong, I am not even mad. Stage-hazard Ridley is more than enough for me, I don't even want him. I just find him incredibly likely.

 

[Louie G.]

Why can't we talk about a possible moveset for Ridley? Are you completely dry of arguments to the point that you're taking the "slim hopes" route? Come on, we're talking about his moveset right now, not if he'll be in the game or not. If he does get aerial based combat, I can assure that he wouldn't be overpowered.

But thanks for wishing us the best.

 

[Morbi]

Why can't we talk about a possible moveset for Ridley? Are you completely dry of arguments to the point that you're taking the "slim hopes" route? Come on, we're talking about his moveset right now, not if he'll be in the game or not. If he does get aerial based combat, I can assure that he wouldn't be overpowered.

But thanks for wishing us the best.

Jigglypuff was fairly over-powered with her aerial based move-set, but then again, Brawl. So I see your point!

 

[Louie G.]

Jigglypuff was fairly over-powered with her aerial based move-set, but then again, Brawl. So I see your point!

Jigglypuff was overpowered because of Rest, and you know it.

 

[Morbi]

Jigglypuff was overpowered because of Rest, and you know it.

Yeah; I was just joking around. It has been awhile since I have needlessly mentioned Jigglypuff, I felt obligated to put her in a post. I mean, a character is over-powered based on their frame-date, utility, meta-game, options, and kill potential. So Ridley isn't going to be OP just because he has an aerial move-set. That is just a baseless claim. I was going to say that, but you know, Jigglypuff.

 

[jweb22]

Why can't we talk about a possible moveset for Ridley? Are you completely dry of arguments to the point that you're taking the "slim hopes" route? Come on, we're talking about his moveset right now, not if he'll be in the game or not. If he does get aerial based combat, I can assure that he wouldn't be overpowered.

But thanks for wishing us the best.

You can talk all the possible movesets for Ridley all you want and no I'm not using the "slim hopes route" as you call it. It's just that the movesets you all are coming up with don't seem very likely. Ridley has tremendous power so him being weak on the ground make little to no sense especially considering the fact that in Other M he fights you while crawling on the ground and that was still very effective. Also, the notion of Ridley being able to fly while other characters who also have wings no longer have flying in their movesets as shown by Pits change seems HIGHLY unlikely.

 

[Louie G.]

I actually mentioned Jigglypuff before. Ridley's playstyle would be so unique that the character it can best be compared to has a completely different playstyle overall. It's just the whole aerial combat thing that makes them comparable.
Ridley's like Bowser meets Jigglypuff, I guess.

You can talk all the possible movesets for Ridley all you want and no I'm not using the "slim hopes route" as you call it. It's just that the movesets you all are coming up with don't seem very likely. Ridley has tremendous power so him being weak on the ground make little to no sense especially considering the fact that in Other M he fights you while crawling on the ground and that was still very effective. Also, the notion of Ridley being able to fly while other characters who also have wings no longer have flying in their movesets as shown by Pits change seems HIGHLY unlikely.

That's just Pit. And if you've played Uprising, Pit can't fly anyway.

And sometimes Sakurai needs to change canon to make things work. For Ridley, this would mean resizing him and merging him in the ground (Ridley will be aerial based, even if he cannot fly). Even though he can fight on the ground in Other M I don't think it's absolutely necessary to make him powerful on the ground in game either.
It's not that he's weak in the ground though, he's just really really slow.

 

[False Sense]

You can talk all the possible movesets for Ridley all you want and no I'm not using the "slim hopes route" as you call it. It's just that the movesets you all are coming up with don't seem very likely. Ridley has tremendous power so him being weak on the ground make little to no sense especially considering the fact that in Other M he fights you while crawling on the ground and that was still very effective. Also, the notion of Ridley being able to fly while other characters who also have wings no longer have flying in their movesets as shown by Pits change seems HIGHLY unlikely.

Ridley is pretty sluggish while fighting on the ground. His attacks are much more effective while he's airborne. And having tremendous power doesn't mean he can't be weak on the ground. He could still hit hard, but just be slow and rather inefficient while stuck to the ground. It would be in the air where he would fight at his best. Much like in the Metroid series.

 

[Morbi]

I actually mentioned Jigglypuff before. Ridley's playstyle would be so unique that the character it can best be compared to has a completely different playstyle overall. It's just the whole aerial combat thing that makes them comparable.
Ridley's like Bowser meets Jigglypuff, I guess.

That's just Pit. And if you've played Uprising, Pit can't fly anyway.

And sometimes Sakurai needs to change canon to make things work. For Ridley, this would mean resizing him and merging him in the ground (Ridley will be aerial based, even if he cannot fly). Even though he can fight on the ground in Other M I don't think it's absolutely necessary to make him powerful on the ground in game either.
It's not that he's weak in the ground though, he's just really really slow.

Agreed; I just feel as though Jigglypuff already uses what makes Ridley unique. I have a feeling Sakurai is going to do something much less obvious for Ridley.

 

[Kalimdori]

You can talk all the possible movesets for Ridley all you want and no I'm not using the "slim hopes route" as you call it. It's just that the movesets you all are coming up with don't seem very likely. Ridley has tremendous power so him being weak on the ground make little to no sense especially considering the fact that in Other M he fights you while crawling on the ground and that was still very effective. Also, the notion of Ridley being able to fly while other characters who also have wings no longer have flying in their movesets as shown by Pits change seems HIGHLY unlikely.

Ridley wouldn't necessarily need to be weak on the ground, just slow.

That last part isn't necessarily true. Pit is the only one who has had the gliding mechanic cut so far, as Sakurai did not say the gliding mechanic had been cut, only that it had been cut from Pit. (Which makes sense, he can't fly on his own)

 

[OblivionWolf]

Ridley wouldn't necessarily need to be weak on the ground, just slow.

That last part isn't necessarily true. Pit is the only one who has had the gliding mechanic cut so far, as Sakurai did not say the gliding mechanic had been cut, only that it had been cut from Pit. (Which makes sense, he can't fly on his own)

Nah we got proof thats the gliding is back here. Charizards glide landing animation.

 

[Morbi]

Nah we got proof thats the gliding is back here. Charizards glide landing animation.

That is pretty much what he was asserting.

 

[OblivionWolf]

That is pretty much what he was asserting.

Oh sorry I was trying to say we don't need a confirmation cuz it is differently back. Thats what my "Nah" meant.

 

[Louie G.]

Nah we got proof thats the gliding is back here. Charizards glide landing animation.

Aw man, I kinda wanted it cut altogether.
Mainly as a significant nerf to Meta Knight and more moveset possibilities.
Are you sure this isn't just a new crouch animation?

 

[False Sense]

Aw man, I kinda wanted it cut altogether.
Mainly as a significant nerf to Meta Knight and more moveset possibilities.
Are you sure this isn't just a new crouch animation?

I'm pretty sure that we've already seen Charizard's crouch animation. I believe there's a picture of it on his character page, actually.

On another note, Charizard looks kind of adorable in that picture.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Aw man, I kinda wanted it cut altogether.
Mainly as a significant nerf to Meta Knight and more moveset possibilities.
Are you sure this isn't just a new crouch animation?

Yeah, who needs a fun option like gliding!

...Does anyone think an option to turn off/on things like gliding and waljumping would make competitive people happy? I'd like it.

On another note, Charizard looks kind of adorable in that picture.

Not as cute as this:

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