Character Discussion Thread

[God Robert's Cousin]

That's a joke if I've heard one.

I've got a better one.

"What's the best part about Fire Emblem Discussion?"





















"Nothing, it sucks and I despise all of you for it."

 

[Vez]

What would your opinions be if we got, say, two or three really good and requested newcomers from this direct but some sort of adventure mode was shown off and Ridley was confirmed as a boss again.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I would obviously feel bad for the Ridley fans.

 

[UltimateWario]

What would your opinions be if we got, say, two or three really good and requested newcomers from this direct but some sort of adventure mode was shown off and Ridley was confirmed as a boss again.

My opinion? It would be that Sakurai is a mouth-breather and should probably be put in Assisted Living before he kills himself trying to reach the canned peas or something. Anything less than playable is unacceptable, no matter how many "consolation prizes" we get, and Sakurai, as a fully-functioning human being, should know that.

There's literally no reason Ridley can't or shouldn't be playable. If Sakurai makes the same "mistake" again, I'd question his skills as a developer even more than I do now. And let me tell you, I'm running out of questions.

 

[Deleted member]

Two or three "really good and requested newcomers?" Depends on who they are exactly. Three newcomers would be superb, and a boss, even if it deconfirms Ridley, would be really sweet. Although it'd be mostly surprising that Sakurai would use Ridley as a boss, again, after he was already in two boss fights in Brawl. Seems fishy.

 

[Hype Train]

My opinion? It would be that Sakurai is a mouth-breather and should probably be put in Assisted Living before he kills himself trying to reach the canned peas or something. Anything less than playable is unacceptable, no matter how many "consolation prizes" we get, and Sakurai, as a fully-functioning human being, should know that.

There's literally no reason Ridley can't or shouldn't be playable. If Sakurai makes the same "mistake" again, I'd question his skills as a developer even more than I do now. And let me tell you, I'm running out of questions.

This seems very unreasonable to me. I can think of many reasons as to why Ridley potentially shouldn't become playable, ranging from technical issues (making the animations for his wing span, tail, and long neck work properly), aesthetic issues (making him look decent if shrunken down), balancing issues (biggest = slowest? How viable is the hitbox?) or conceptual issues (is his Smash Bros. incarnation an accurate representation of how he is in the Metroid games?). I'm a new user here so I don't know if this kind of behaviour is the norm (or if this is meant to be an inside joke I don't understand), but I certainly see no harm in understanding the challenges that Sakurai faces in implementing a character like Ridley into a fighting game like Smash Bros.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

What would your opinions be if we got, say, two or three really good and requested newcomers from this direct but some sort of adventure mode was shown off and Ridley was confirmed as a boss again.

The Direct would generally be bad news then, all things considered I generally don't give much of a crap about anyone else besides Ridley and K. Rool, and not even K. Rool would be able to mend the wound that a deconfirmation of Ridley would leave. I'd probably skip the rest of the speculation part of this game too, just waiting for the release of the game while checking trailers whenever they come out. The only reason I'm here and checking the updates each day is because of Ridley, revealing him as something besides a playable character would be the big hype killer. That's why I don't expect to learn of Ridley's fate until close to, or even post-release, since I'm certainly not the only one feeling like this, so it suddenly becomes a brilliant business move to keep Ridley at bay.

 

[Knight Dude]

What would your opinions be if we got, say, two or three really good and requested newcomers from this direct but some sort of adventure mode was shown off and Ridley was confirmed as a boss again.

I'd be dissapointed. But it wouldn't be the end of the world or anything. I guess it would depend on which characters that were added instead of Ridley. Though all in all, I'm pretty happy to just have Megaman. Him alone made Smash 4 a game I really want to buy. Still, Ridley is my 2nd most wanted character, so I'd be happy to play as him. Another boss fight would be cool. Just no where near as cool as it would be to use him yourself.

This seems very unreasonable to me. I can think of many reasons as to why Ridley potentially shouldn't become playable, ranging from technical issues (making the animations for his wing span, tail, and long neck work properly), aesthetic issues (making him look decent if shrunken down), balancing issues (biggest = slowest? How viable is the hitbox?) or conceptual issues (is his Smash Bros. incarnation an accurate representation of how he is in the Metroid games?). I'm a new user here so I don't know if this kind of behaviour is the norm (or if this is meant to be an inside joke I don't understand), but I certainly see no harm in understanding the challenges that Sakurai faces in implementing a character like Ridley into a fighting game like Smash Bros.

Yeah, I can understand that Ridley, like any character could possibly have issues working in the game. So far, I don't think we've seen any major evidence point against him, nor have we seen much against him either. I can see his neck or tail being harder to work around than anything else. But it doesn't seem impossible either.

Also, welcome to Smash Boards!

 

[AustarusIV]

That would be a really terrible Direct in my opinion. It begs the question on "What kind of newcomers are there who are really interesting and hype-inducing enough to bring a lot of attention to this game?" Ridley pretty much fits the criteria for newcomers, and to consider him "uninteresting" compared to the amount of new challengers that we've already gotten is just asinine.

 

[Substitution]

That would be a really terrible Direct in my opinion. It begs the question on "What kind of newcomers are there who are really interesting and hype-inducing enough to bring a lot of attention to this game?" Ridley pretty much fits the criteria for newcomers,quote]
To be fair.
There's plenty that fit the same bill. Not just Ridley.

Oh, and:

and to consider him "uninteresting" compared to the amount of new challengers that we've already gotten is just asinine.

Implying that the newcomer we have aren't interesting.

 

[UltimateWario]

This seems very unreasonable to me. I can think of many reasons as to why Ridley potentially shouldn't become playable, ranging from technical issues (making the animations for his wing span, tail, and long neck work properly), aesthetic issues (making him look decent if shrunken down), balancing issues (biggest = slowest? How viable is the hitbox?) or conceptual issues (is his Smash Bros. incarnation an accurate representation of how he is in the Metroid games?). I'm a new user here so I don't know if this kind of behaviour is the norm (or if this is meant to be an inside joke I don't understand), but I certainly see no harm in understanding the challenges that Sakurai faces in implementing a character like Ridley into a fighting game like Smash Bros.

These are all concepts that the userbase attributes to Ridley. They are not concepts that Sakurai attributes to Ridley. The only thing we know is that "He'd be a little slow".

It's this mindset that's unacceptable. Rosalina throws her ****ing babies at people. That's terribly out of character, but nobody cares that "the Smash Bros. incarnation isn't an accurate representation of the character". All of those "technical issues" are, again, something that the fanbase has attributed to Ridley. It is Sakurai's job as a developer to overcome obstacles to create an enjoyable product. Ridley's design may present some trouble, but it's nowhere near the immovable object that so many people claim it to be.

If Sakurai seriously, straight-up CANNOT make Ridley playable, then that's incompetence. If some dude living in his mom's basement, using a laptop he bought at Best Buy, can make Ridley playable, Sakurai should be able to perfect it, not just stare, dumbfounded at Ridley and say, "WELL GEE, I GUESS HE JUST WON'T WORK".

And, no. This behavior is not "the norm" for this board, or Ridley supporters in general. Don't let my hot-headedness damage your opinion on the rest of my ilk. I've just had it up to here with Anti-Ridley talk.

Implying that the newcomer we have aren't interesting.

Implying that something being interesting isn't completely subjective.

 

[Dinoman96]

Posting from the Palutena thread:

So, folks, a little interesting thing happened:

Nintendo UK apparently updated and said Europe would see finally see KIU as a digital release this Wednesday (Updates are usually on Thursday)....but then it was soon removed.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=794108&page=6

Thoughts?

 

[Substitution]

Posting from the Paletuna thread:
"So, folks, a little interesting thing happened:

Nintendo UK apparently updated and said Europe would see finally see KIU as a digital release this Wednesday (Updates are usually on Thursday)....but then it was soon removed.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=794108&page=6

Thoughts?"

If anything.
Until I see otherwise, I'm taking this with a grain of salt.

 

[Hype Train]

If Sakurai seriously, straight-up CANNOT make Ridley playable, then that's incompetence. If some dude living in his mom's basement, using a laptop he bought at Best Buy, can make Ridley playable, Sakurai should be able to perfect it, not just stare, dumbfounded at Ridley and say, "WELL GEE, I GUESS HE JUST WON'T WORK".

You're right that we don't know what might or might not prevent Sakurai from adding Ridley, but I think it's also fairly clear that a very large character is going to cause some problems in at least some areas of the game (I feel like maintaing game balance might be Ridley's biggest issue). I just don't think we should be demanding characters at all cost.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Posting from the Palutena thread:

It's just a European release. As someone who's European I can say that our release dates usually matter nothing to Nintendo.

 

[Oniric Spriter]

Posting from the Palutena thread:

Don't play with me, Nintendo.

 

[Muster]

Posting from the Palutena thread:

Nooooooooooooooooooo
I personally think that KI is already good as it is, getting Pit with New moves, multiple new items and at least one stage for each console. A newcomer just seems to be favoritism.

These are all concepts that the userbase attributes to Ridley. They are not concepts that Sakurai attributes to Ridley. The only thing we know is that "He'd be a little slow".

(First thing's first, love the avi)
I'd also be genuinely disappointing to not see Ridley in the game, but i can't just not get the games. If Sakurai really cares enough about the roster to "Worry himself to near death" over it, then i'm pretty sure he's thinking of Ridley.

 

[UltimateWario]

I just don't think we should be demanding characters at all cost.

It's my money, I'll demand what I want. That's my right as a consumer.

(First thing's first, love the avi)
I'd also be genuinely disappointing to not see Ridley in the game, but i can't just not get the games. If Sakurai really cares enough about the roster to "Worry himself to near death" over it, then i'm pretty sure he's thinking of Ridley.

(I know, the show rocks.)

As unfortunate as that is for Sakurai, and he, of course, has my condolences, I'm not going to buy a game simply because someone worked really hard on it. I'm sure that a LOT of time and effort went into Duke Nukem Forever, but it's garbage and nobody wants to buy it at all, regardless of the literally DECADES of effort put into the game.

That said, I don't have any worries about Ridley's chances. I've just been over at GameFAQs and I'm thoroughly worked up.

 

[Dinoman96]

It's just a European release. As someone who's European I can say that our release dates usually matter nothing to Nintendo.

You never know, considering Sakurai did acknowledge Tropical Freeze's western release. It just seems pretty strange Nintendo UK would let that slip and just take it down afterwards, like if it were an announcement they were saving for later.

 

[N3ON]

It doesn't influence ****, really.

Unless, again, there is some sort of magical criteria that says something can't get in because it's to recent or only has one installment I'm unaware of.

Ofc it does, no one is saying he can't get in with only one game to his series' name (or at least they shouldn't), but obv having more games in the series would've helped.

It's weird, N3ON shoots down arguments that go against Isaac, but promotes arguments that go against Shulk...

I guess arguments are unanimously either valid or invalid to you.

What would your opinions be if we got, say, two or three really good and requested newcomers from this direct but some sort of adventure mode was shown off and Ridley was confirmed as a boss again.

Depends who the newcomers were before I get sad about Ridley. The forums would probably explode though.

Posting from the Palutena thread:

Huh... well I certainly hope we get Palutena, but like always we'll just have to wait and see. It very well could mean nothing.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

You never know, considering Sakurai did acknowledge Tropical Freeze's western release.

If it wasn't for the fact that it also released in America it certainly wouldn't have been acknowledged, with years of experience being looked past by Nintendo I can guarantee that.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

A newcomer just seems to be favoritism.

ORRRRR....

He's just giving fans what they want.

 

[Muster]

ORRRRR....

He's just giving fans what they want.

Notice how i said "personally". I don't think the fanbase for KI:U is enough to garner a newcomer along with all the benefits the franchise is already getting in sm4sh, especially when franchises like metroid and donkey kong have been getting the shaft when compared to how big of a fanbase they both have.

 

[Dinoman96]

I would like to see some more characters for DK and Metroid, well, particularly Ridley, King K. Rool and/or Dixie, but I wouldn't be too surprised if they didn't make it. I feel like with DK, Donkey and Diddy are the two most important characters and everyone else does feel in some ways, a lesser addition (Dixie's sort of just a sidekick of a sidekick, and K. Rool hasn't been exactly relevant in quite some time). I'd like to see Ridley if done right, but it's possible that maybe Sakurai just doesn't think he'd be an appropriate addition to the game.

Honestly, I wouldn't say Metroid has gotten the shaft that hard in Smash. In Brawl, Sakurai added Zero Suit Samus for the reason of adding another Metroid character, and the series had two stages (Three if you count Brinstar from Melee), two bosses in SSE, and a good amount of trophies, stickers, and what not. Metroid just isn't an exactly an easy series to work with when it comes to characters. It's a series primarily about Samus, trying to survive by herself in a cold, isolated world, and everyone else is either a minor human/hunter character or a giant monster, and the only other character besides her that can sorta kinda work is Ridley.

Would I like to see Ridley if done right? Yes, I would, but I think Sakurai's "poor treatment" of Metroid has been exaggerated.

 

[Baskerville]

That said, I don't have any worries about Ridley's chances. I've just been over at GameFAQs and I'm thoroughly worked up.

Why would you even go to GameFAQs if you're not searching for "leaks"?
But aside from that I agree with you, with Ridley's prominence to the Metroid series and his overall popularity and desire from fans to be playable for Smash, it would be baffling if he wasn't playable. Not to mention he's been overdue for this for a decade.

 

[Nu~]

What would your opinions be if we got, say, two or three really good and requested newcomers from this direct but some sort of adventure mode was shown off and Ridley was confirmed as a boss again.

Doesn't matter who the newcomers were(as long as it isn't something abhorrent like goku or Lloyd irving), I really don't care personally if he was in the game or not. I would feel pity for the fans of him, because they probably love him as much as I do pacman, and It would be pretty ridiculous to completely ignore the fans, but ridley isn't really someone I feel connected to. But if pacman was deconfirmed, and replaced with ANY other Namco character or something ridiculous like bayonneta, I would consider not buying game. This, hands down, would be a major turn-off to me.

 

[UltimateWario]

Why would you even go to GameFAQs if you're not searching for "leaks"?

It seems I'm a glutton for punishment.

 

[BKupa666]

ORRRRR....

He's just giving fans what they want.

He's giving the fans what they want now, I agree, but let's not forget, pretty much the biggest reason Palutena became a remote possibility in the first place was Sakurai's development of Uprising. This was the driving factor behind everyone calling Medusa and Magnus shoo-ins way back in the day as well. Had anyone else been developing Uprising, I'm quite sure that the typical mindset would be "Why add another Kid Icarus character?" not "Palutena is the single likeliest character, and a third 'rep' is possible as well" (though the third 'rep' talk is spurred on by GameFAQs trolls, to be fair).

In a nutshell, the fanbase recognizes and encourages Sakurai bias where Kid Icarus is involved. It's why you see people making comments like "Well, he didn't create it, so he can add whatever he wants," or defending the presence of Kid Icarus as one of the eight Nintendo franchises showcased in the E3 trailer instead of, say, Yoshi or Fire Emblem.

 

[kikaru]

Notice how i said "personally". I don't think the fanbase for KI:U is enough to garner a newcomer along with all the benefits the franchise is already getting in sm4sh, especially when franchises like metroid and donkey kong have been getting the shaft when compared to how big of a fanbase they both have.

Nothing says they all can't get newcomers.

 

[pikachugamer21]

What would your opinions be if we got, say, two or three really good and requested newcomers from this direct but some sort of adventure mode was shown off and Ridley was confirmed as a boss again.

As long as Mewtwo and King K rool still get in then I can live without Ridley however if they are also not playable then I will be disappointed massively

 

[N3ON]

K. Rool not playable? Plausible, if we get Dixie.

Ridley not playable? imo unlikely, but possible.

Mewtwo not playable? Getouttahere.

 

[Deleted member]

K. Rool not playable? Plausible, if we get Dixie.

Ridley not playable? imo unlikely, but possible.

Mewtwo not playable? Getouttahere.

Pretty much.

 

[Will]

K. Rool not playable? Plausible, if we get Dixie.

Ridley not playable? imo unlikely, but possible.

Mewtwo not playable? Getouttahere.

Speaking of which,is there another character that's as likely as Mewtwo? (excluding veterans)

 

[N3ON]

Speaking of which,is there another character that's as likely as Mewtwo? (excluding veterans)

Nope.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Meanwhile I'm going to be the guy that cares more about the underdogs.

Because when you have an underrated character confirmed, there is a greater sense of satisfaction.

 

[Will]

Nope.

Huh. I was thinking that Takamaru might be close to it,but I'm apparently tripping balls right now.

 

[False Sense]

Meanwhile I'm going to be the guy that cares more about the underdogs.

Because when you have an underrated character confirmed, there is a greater sense of satisfaction.

Still holding out for Robin.

 

[Will]

Still holding out for Robin.

Really?
I'd expect a few to begin to leave Robin for either Chron,Lucina,or @ BluePikmin11 's ever-so loving desire for the never-existant Chrom/Lucina duo

 

[N3ON]

Meanwhile I'm going to be the guy that cares more about the underdogs.

Because when you have an underrated character confirmed, there is a greater sense of satisfaction.

Only if that underdog is one you support though, and there are a lot more underdogs than highly-likely candidates.

Huh. I was thinking that Takamaru might be close to it,but I'm apparently tripping balls right now.

Well he might be next after Mewtwo (I think Miis are also pretty inevitable), but there's some shadow of doubt for his chances strong as they might be, whereas Mewtwo... really doesn't have... like anything against him. He's the most popular character worldwide, he was planned thrice before, he's had recent important appearances, there's no new Pokemon that is anywhere near him in chances, he's used heavily in recent promotion, and Sakurai already mentioned he was being considered (or something along those lines).

No one touches Mewtwo.

 

[False Sense]

Really?
I'd expect a few to begin to leave Robin for either Chron,Lucina,or @ BluePikmin11 's ever-so loving desire for the never-existant Chrom/Lucina duo

Huh. Interesting. I'm not really sure what reason us Robin supporters have now to go to Chrom or Lucina instead. There hasn't exactly been any stunning new evidence that makes those two more likely and leaves Robin in the dust.