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UltimateWario

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God ****ing damn, Xenoblaze. We get it. You don't like Chrom (or Awakening, apparently).

Replace "Chrom" with "Ridley" and your posts would look right at home on YouTube or GameFAQs. I'm not his biggest fan, either, but there's not liking a character, and then there's being an asshole about it. Even I don't **** on Other M or Adam Malkovich at every possible opportunity I get.

It's already dead with Fire Emblem: Awakening ruining everything.
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You know the depressing part is that we have that worthless thread for the worthless character Chrom, and nobody bloody uses it to actually avoid talking about worthless Chrom and pretending he has merits here.

Gee, a worthless thread having a worthless character, how fitting.
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I just realized...Marth isn't capable of wielding a Spear. Unless you're going to baselessly deny the potential Stance-Dance set, this would automatically throw a monkey-wrench into your "Can Perform Similar Moves=Clone" mentality, Saturn.
I feel like you know this is an invalid argument.

You're going backwards. You're saying Marth who has a similar sword and is already in Smash is exempt from being a clone of somebody who is not in Smash, but also has a similar sword...because they also have other minor abilities that the original can't perform???

You're ignoring several things. Marth is already in Smash which gives Chrom somebody to be based off of and Chrom would likely be limited to a sword even if Marth was NOT in Smash. So I don't know where the spear thing is coming from.

I said that characters have to be able to perform the abilities of the already established abilities. Both don't have to be able to EVERYTHING the other does. Please do not intentionally twist my words and logic in your favor to make it sound faulty.
 

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I feel like you know this is an invalid argument.

You're going backwards. You're saying Marth who has a similar sword and is already in Smash is exempt from being a clone of somebody who is not in Smash, but also has a similar sword...because they also have other minor abilities that the original can't perform???

You're ignoring several things. Marth is already in Smash which gives Chrom somebody to be based off of and Chrom would likely be limited to a sword even if Marth was NOT in Smash. So I don't know where the spear thing is coming from.

I said that characters have to be able to perform the abilities of the already established abilities. Both don't have to be able to EVERYTHING the other does. Please do not intentionally twist my words and logic in your favor to make it sound faulty.
Chrom is more similar to Ike than he is to Marth. That has been stated a few times already.
 

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I am speaking in absolute of what has factually happened. No where do I state that Chrom HAS to be a semi-clone. Only that it is the most probable hypothesis based on factual evidence from past installments.

Chrom is more similar to Ike than he is to Marth. That has been stated a few times already.
Then I guess it's automatically true. I'm just gonna type Pichu is unique a million times then.
 

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......BIg the cat?
Please stop. This isn't even funny. I'm tired of you saying Big the Cat everytime. Because we all know Cream the Rabbit is the best Sonic character.
Also, I'm happy that this thread is finally active, even if it is active in a bad way. I finally have something to do with my life.
 

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You know the depressing part is that we have that worthless thread for the worthless character Chrom, and nobody bloody uses it to actually avoid talking about worthless Chrom and pretending he has merits here.

Gee, a worthless thread having a worthless character, how fitting.
 
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I am speaking in absolute of what has factually happened. No where do I state that Chrom HAS to be a semi-clone. Only that it is the most probable hypothesis based on factual evidence from past installments.


Then I guess it's automatically true. I'm just gonna type Pichu is unique a million times then.
That happened, but that's not what that means. That can be an idea of what that means, but that isn't the absolute until Sakurai comes out and says that's why he did it.

Other users have already mentioned why Chrom is more similar to Ike than Marth. I'm not going to type it again.
 

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Please stop. This isn't even funny. I'm tired of you saying Big the Cat everytime. Because we all know Cream the Rabbit is the best Sonic character.
Also, I'm happy that this thread is finally active, even if it is active in a bad way. I finally have something to do with my life.
.... I'm going to pretend I didn't hear that.
 

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What the.....

Well, I guess I'll just say that I'd be happy for Chrom supporters if Chrom got in, would sympathize with them if he didn't, but aside from that, I don't care if Chrom gets in or not.
 

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I feel like you know this is an invalid argument.

You're going backwards. You're saying Marth who has a similar sword and is already in Smash is exempt from being a clone of somebody who is not in Smash, but also has a similar sword...because they also have other minor abilities that the original can't perform???

You're ignoring several things. Marth is already in Smash which gives Chrom somebody to be based off of and Chrom would likely be limited to a sword even if Marth was NOT in Smash. So I don't know where the spear thing is coming from.

I said that characters have to be able to perform the abilities of the already established abilities. Both don't have to be able to EVERYTHING the other does. Please do not intentionally twist my words and logic in your favor to make it sound faulty.
Chrom is more similar to Ike than he is to Marth. That has been stated a few times already.
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@Opossum

I am speaking in absolute of what has factually happened. No where do I state that Chrom HAS to be a semi-clone. Only that it is the most probable hypothesis based on factual evidence from past installments.


Then I guess it's automatically true. I'm just gonna type Pichu is unique a million times then.
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I don't understand the hostility towards some people.

It's a damn video game.

Let's get back to holding actually tolerable discussion. No Fire Emblem. Let's talk about somebody else. I'll get us started.

Old Snake riding Ridley? Great idea or greatest idea? :troll:
 
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I don't understand the hostility towards some people.

It's a damn video game.
I think I have a theory.
See, when people like something more, they tend to get as bit more personal with it.
And thus, when they don't like something, they value it as "flawed", and no one like flaws.
And prefer that it's left out, and will do anything they can to keep it that way...

It's just fans being fans.
 

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Don't try and tell me what my argument is. My argument is that there are better choices for the Smash roster than Mario #2. Showing how Mario and Paper Mario are actually still very similar is only a part of that.

If you noticed, I quoted:



Dimentio and Prince Fluff are two examples of how this argument is flawed. One, because they prove that these qualities are not unique to Paper Mario. Two, because they have those qualities in a much better form. Dimentio is self-explanatory, his name being a play on the word "dimension" is all you need to know. Prince Fluff has the transformation gimmick, but in a more visually pleasing form.

And what's more, these are not a duplicate of a mascot, they are distinct characters.
Well, the first part is fair enough. It's fine to think that there are better choices for the roster than another Mario. I've never even wanted Paper Mario myself, and still don't, really. However, I don't think the argument that he's too similar to Mario is particularly valid, and more importantly, that you're rude behavior was unwarranted.

And I'm afraid I still don't understand why bringing up those other characters has any relevance. Sure, there are other characters that exist in the universe who can do things similar to Paper Mario. The same can be said for pretty much any existing video game character. Mario isn't the only character in the world who can use fireballs, Pikachu isn't the only one who can use electricity, Ganondorf isn't the only one who can attack with darkness, etc. What's more, the characters you brought up aren't nearly as important as characters overall. Prince Fluff only made an appearance in one Kirby game, so it seems odd that he'd be added over a more recurring character like Bandanna Dee, if a new Kirby character is added at all. Dimentio is a villain from one game in the Paper Mario series, so why would he be added in over Paper Mario, the icon of that sub series of the Mario franchise? I just don't see how these characters existences pertain to Paper Mario's validity as a character, at all.
 

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How is this even comparable?
If Lucina was planned to be a stance character, she's going to be a stance character. Regardless of appearance, similarities to other characters, and whatnot. The same goes for Chrom, if he was planned to be different in someway, he's going to be different in some way!

This is the exact same thing as claiming Rosalina would be Zelda/Peach. We never interpreted the possibility of her being a Puppet character. But here she is, as a puppet character.
A personal opinion is not a fact.
So why are we not considering him for Smash 4? He can still shoot thunder and magic.
Barely anybody is asking for Leif. The higher Fire Emblem requests belong to Chrom, Lucina, Roy, and Robin.
So you're saying that if Sakurai wanted to do something....he'd do it? Okay, I kind of knew that. But, I thought we were talking about what he would do based on what he has done. Not what he hypothetically may want.
If he wants it done, it's going to be done. Unless hardware limitations or time constraints come into play, which can be proven through the "Forbidden 7".


Not really, given the circumstance. And I don't think Chrom was what saved the franchise.
Given the circumstances, the franchise was going to die off after Awakening if it did not succeed. This is a commonly known fact, you can't deny that.

I also never said Chrom saved the franchise. I said, "...the poster boy for the game that saved the franchise...".
So if the main character was a Green Marth and they suggested it I guess Sakurai would just blindly go "Okay then!". Notice you didn't mention Robin. Arguably the most important character and the only one with actual potential.
If Green Marth had enough potential in be interesting in Sakurai's eyes, sure.

I didn't mention Robin because they're not the most popular characters from Fire Emblem Awakening. Chrom and Lucina are. Robin certainly has potential and is very important to the game's plot, but saying Robin is "the only one with actual potential" is such a purely biased statement that has no proof driven behind it.
Why are we here if not to interpret Sakurai? This seems like a cop out.
Then think creatively.
...which is what? Took unique characters that can't be clones and made them unique characters? Why is this relevant?
• Nobody thought of Villager literally grabbing projectiles and sticking them in his pocket.
• Nobody thought of Mega Man's mega buster being a standard attack, on top of it being the exact same thing as it is in the Mega Man games.
• Nobody thought of Wii Fit Trainer, period (except @BigAxle who is much genius).
• You know I'm getting real tired of people claiming that Rosalina was always seen as a unique choice. EASILY could have been a mix of Zelda and Peach. While already having several similarities to Zelda, Puppet character concept makes up for that.
• Little Mac was just thought as a guy who just PUNCHES. NOBODY even considered the K.O. punch, the Star Punch isn't even in the game from what I can tell. He also has THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF THE SAME SMASH ATTACK. I highly doubt anybody thought of that either.

What makes this relevant is how these characters could have been done in the ways we assumed they would have worked making everything easy for Sakurai with movesets already created for these characters by fans (except wii fit trainer), but he went ahead and made something unique himself to surprise us. So if you seriously entirely expect Chrom or Lucina to be generic clone character, you really underestimate the amount of creativity Sakurai has when it comes to making a character seem different.
 

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I think Tetra is an intelligent prediction. I do wonder if the early reveal of Toon Link might hint towards Toon Zelda and/or Tetra.
 

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How would you guys react if this Ganon was playable:
I would lose my **** and be super happy. He's a pipe dream for me, and I'd trade entire franchises to have him in. I'd more or less trade the rest for skull kid though, I'm a sucker for Zelda villains from my childhood. (It's a good thing I'm not in charge of this game)
 

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I would lose my **** and be super happy. He's a pipe dream for me, and I'd trade entire franchises to have him in. I'd more or less trade the rest for skull kid though, I'm a sucker for Zelda villains from my childhood. (It's a good thing I'm not in charge of this game)
let's trade in the entire mario franchise imo
 

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Bring back Sheik, and declone or at least buff Ganondorf, and I'm set.

Though I'd be quite happy to see a Toon Zelda/Tetra combo or just Tetra. I think they're the most likely Zelda newcomer(s).
 

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With Ganondorf, his moveset does deserve to receive some big adjustments to keep him from being a laughing stock. Maybe have some of his attacks involve the use of his sword, while others focus on his physical force.

As for the Final Smash, it should be made into an actual transformation, instead of a mere attack. Ocarina of Time Ganon actually fits the Final Smash mold quite nicely.

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