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I understand. Sure, Pokémon Trainer's stamina mechanic sucks, but I play as him because I love Pokémon. It does not matter if he is bad. From what I understand, that's what Scoliosis means. He will play as Chrom even if Chrom sucks because he likes Chrom. No problem with that.
I'll give you the hammer one, but I don't see why you're bringing up other characters aside from regular Mario. That's the character that Paper Mario has to differentiate himself from. Saying that these other characters, not even necessarily from the same series, can do a similar thing better doesn't change anything. Even if Prince Fluff could pull the, uh, "art" transformation thing better, that's an entirely different character (who more than likely won't be on the roster), and it's still something Paper Mario can do that Mario can't. Same thing applies to Dimentio. That's an entirely different character and is not what we were debating about. Your argument was that Paper Mario has the same abilities as Mario, so let's keep this focused on those two.Not really, because:
Also, the Hammer item in Smash comes from Wrecking Crew, which is a Mario game.
Prince Fluff from Kirby's Epic Yarn could have that, only done better, but with yarn, which would look way more interesting visually.
Most of his special moves are doable by Mario. He may not use them in Smash, but they are not that interesting.
Because I'm asking why anyone in general would settle for the lowest of the low.
I believe it's on Toon Link's Dojo page. Don't know if it was said in an article though.
Have you noticed that in Brawl, that the characters that share the body types and such have been differentiated further from Melee? They just HAVE to be clones don't they?
Yes it is there. Sakurai said "As a rule, the moves are the same."
Then I pick option three.
Ike's sword 'wasn't that heavy' in PoR either. He's quite speedy in PoR, being a Mercenary expy and whatnot. Yet Sakurai went and made him a slow character.
Well actually, I have a taste for that. How did you know?
This. And even that is a stretch. Characters that are clones in Smash are characters that are clones in their game series. Both Fox and Falco just pilot Airwings, so they are somewhat similiar. Both Ness and Lucas fit the same role in their games, so they are somewhat similiar. Pichu is Pikachu but with less options for moves. So he is a complete clone. Correct me if I'm wrong since I never played Awakening, but from what I know Chrom isn't a blatant copy of Ike in this game.
I'm sure a character that would be added for the sake of being a stance character would be a stance character. Much like how Ganondorf, a character added for the sake of being a Captain Falcon clone was a Captain Falcon clone.
If Sakurai was looking for a Marth clone, the better decision was Roy. Because the existing fire effects made Roy's attacks appear much more differently than the existing magic effects if Leif was the chosen clone. They were not interested in adding a unique character from the Fire Emblem franchise, so a character utilizing magic (like Leif) wasn't in their best interest if he couldn't play the part and still seem different enough.
If they wanted Dark Pit to use a variety of weapons, sure. If they weren't interested in making Dark Pit anymore than a color palette, he would be a color palette.
I may not like Generic Blue-Haired Swordsman either, but saying Sakurai isn't going to consider the poster boy for the game that saved the franchise is kind of a bone-headed thing to say.
And yet they share SEVERAL moves. Your point?
No.
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Why is it everytime I bring up this conversation you ALWAYS ignore me when I say that. Jigglypuff cannot use a sword, hammer, or copy ability.
Those characters were added at the last minute because they were clones. They weren't clones because they were added at the last minute.
Clones, semi-clones, pseudo clones. I'm talking about all of them. And Chrom would be a semi-clone. And have YOU held his sword?
Don't try and tell me what my argument is. My argument is that there are better choices for the Smash roster than Mario #2. Showing how Mario and Paper Mario are actually still very similar is only a part of that.
Dimentio and Prince Fluff are two examples of how this argument is flawed. One, because they prove that these qualities are not unique to Paper Mario. Two, because they have those qualities in a much better form. Dimentio is self-explanatory, his name being a play on the word "dimension" is all you need to know. Prince Fluff has the transformation gimmick, but in a more visually pleasing form.
Actually Chrom shares many similarities with Ike. They both wield swords that should be 2-handed with only one hand, the Shepherds are clearly meant to be evocative of the Greil Mercenaries,
Of course people will ignore this factor because apparently he's not the one getting promoted and apparently Chrom is such a well developed and unique character that it would be a crime if he was ignored.
People have said that? I thought the consensus was that Chrom will fade into obscurity as a failed Diet Ike if that happens.
That they're not in the same position as Toon Link for one.
In PoR, Ike is rather fast, being slow is a Smash design decision.
And that was the intent of the characters, they were brought in to be last minute clones, that's it. You're under the assumption that Chrom has to be a clone, which is where the argument stems from as you're speaking in absolutes. Nothing says he has to be one, particularly since he does have options to differentiate himself (such as the spear).
If they both wield 2-handed swords with only one hand, wouldn't that make Marth an Ike clone?
Read the last few pages where it was stated word for word that Robin was overrated and Chrom is the one getting in because he's the one promoted.
How is this even comparable?
So why are we not considering him for Smash 4? He can still shoot thunder and magic.
So you're saying that if Sakurai wanted to do something....he'd do it? Okay, I kind of knew that. But, I thought we were talking about what he would do based on what he has done. Not what he hypothetically may want.
Not really, given the circumstance. And I don't think Chrom was what saved the franchise.
So if the main character was a Green Marth and they suggested it I guess Sakurai would just blindly go "Okay then!". Notice you didn't mention Robin. Arguably the most important character and the only one with actual potential.
Why are we here if not to interpret Sakurai? This seems like a cop out.
...which is what? Took unique characters that can't be clones and made them unique characters? Why is this relevant?
You're the one who said it was heavy, not me. I'm simply observing the fact that he is jacked, and would be able to handle the sword. As Ike was able to handle his sword gracefully in his games. However, that was not how he was handled for Smash Bros.And yet they share SEVERAL moves. Your point?
No.
Characters have to be able to perform the same abilities. Ike cannot perform Marth's speedy moves with his heavy sword.
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Why is it everytime I bring up this conversation you ALWAYS ignore me when I say that. Jigglypuff cannot use a sword, hammer, or copy ability.
Those characters were added at the last minute because they were clones. They weren't clones because they were added at the last minute.
Clones, semi-clones, pseudo clones. I'm talking about all of them. And Chrom would be a semi-clone. And have YOU held his sword?
Saying that Chrom is the one promoted =/= saying he is a cool character. Chrom being a poster boy is objective. Not subjective. I don't know a thing about his actual character beyond one or two details, but I know he was on all of the game's promo material, and I know he is a big focus in the game. So yes, he's the one promoted.
Blame the people speaking in absolutes.
What do you think I'm doing?Blame the people speaking in absolutes.
Then we wouldn't be representing Nintendo's best franchises. :<
Too ****ing bad.
Just making sure, is all! No harm meant.
No harm taken.Just making sure, is all! No harm meant.
Not only that, but Sakurai is a fan of the FE series, so I think Smash 4 won't be lacking in FE (including Awakening) content (Brawl got decent content). We'll see how things turn out in the end -- it should be very interesting nonetheless.
