Character Discussion Thread

[Scoliosis Jones]

I really don't want any characters to be "unique" like Roy was "unique".

Also, to add, Chrom's Falchion is drastically different from Marth's. They're the same sword, but it was apparently broken and reforged at some point from a Rapier to a Greatsword/Broadsword.

With the fire, I just meant that people here try to use that as leverage over Chrom as to why Roy is more unique (which is a crock). Roy isn't any better off than Chrom is really.

I get why people like Roy, but it simply wouldn't make any sense. He missed a game, yes. But that doesn't mean that just because of that, that he's going to get in over a rising star like Chrom. If you say that Chrom isn't a rising star, go ahead. But the game he starred in is the best selling one. I don't doubt them possibly using him again.

I get criticized for liking and supporting Chrom, and I'll admit that he isn't crazy unique, but I don't understand the flak I get honestly. I want him in because I like him, and he gets drowned in hate for little reason. (this isn't directed at you UltimateWario)

 

[Staarih]

Plase, can we discuss something that is NOT Fire Emblem?

Yes please. I do admire the passion Fire Emblem-fans and whoever have but the discussion gets really repetitive quite often. Whether it's about Ike or Roy or Chrom or whoever else. I still personally consider Chrom as a shoo-in, one of the only ones besides Palutena and Mewtwo really, I just can't see him NOT get in. Maybe a Chrom+Lucina duo would be possible though... but call me surprised if he doesn't get in. I don't see the appeal in Robin, or any of the others. This is coming from someone who has never played Fire Emblem games which some might frown upon but it does give a certain perspective when it comes to character attraction, likeliness and "iconic" appearances. I'd also be totally fine with Marth and Chrom being the sole FE reps in Smash 4. Yikes.

...but that's just me. And I guess I did contribute to the discussion even though I'd rather discuss something else hahaha!

Let's go back to that Chibi Robo discussion

I've never really had an opinion on Chibi Robo, I used to think the little thing as a playable character was a silly idea but now that it keeps coming up so often with rumors, leaks and predictions, I don't really know. I guess it could work.

 

[Tepig2000]

Yes please. I do admire the passion Fire Emblem-fans and whoever have but the discussion gets really repetitive quite often. Whether it's about Ike or Roy or Chrom or whoever else. I still personally consider Chrom as a shoo-in, one of the only ones besides Palutena and Mewtwo really, I just can't see him NOT get in. Maybe a Chrom+Lucina duo would be possible though... but call me surprised if he doesn't get in. I don't see the appeal in Robin, or any of the others. This is coming from someone who has never played Fire Emblem games which some might frown upon but it does give a certain perspective when it comes to character attraction, likeliness and "iconic" appearances. I'd also be totally fine with Marth and Chrom being the sole FE reps in Smash 4. Yikes.

...but that's just me. And I guess I did contribute to the discussion even though I'd rather discuss something else hahaha!

I know something you would like to discuss. Paper Mario. He could be a really fun character.

 

[Deleted member]

Has anybody ever seen this list? It's so sarcastic to the point where it's not even funny.

Take a look, I'm sure it'll be an enriching experience.

 

[Tepig2000]

Has anybody ever seen this list? It's so sarcastic to the point where it's not even funny.

Take a look, I'm sure it'll be an enriching experience.

Is this supossed to make me laugh?...

 

[UltimateWario]

Has anybody ever seen this list? It's so sarcastic to the point where it's not even funny.

Take a look, I'm sure it'll be an enriching experience.

I've come to the point that I immediately ignore any video that has "Characters" and "Next Smash Bros." in the name.

 

[Deleted member]

I've come to the point that I immediately ignore any video that has "Characters" and "Next Smash Bros." in the name.

It has indeed come to the point where they are overdone, hasn't it? But this one is just too far.

 

[Starcutter]

11:56 was the only part that made me laugh, and it's not even the guy who made the video's fault for doing that. it's the super mario super show's fault.

 

[Deleted member]

Is this supossed to make me laugh?...

Nope, it's supposed to make you feel anger as to how these guys failed to make any good jokes.

 

[Starcutter]

Nope, it's supposed to make you feel anger as to how these guys failed to make any good jokes.

this guy is better, it actually made me laugh:

then again, it's not really that much of a prediction roster.


EDIT: "Tetris" is the likliest wish these guys made.

 

[Jayfeather130]

Black Shadow is probably the most likely F-Zero candidate; however, Samurai Goroh is the character that has acquired the staggering Smash prevalence (Melee opening and Assist Trophy status). If Mother could procure a second representative, I believe that F-Zero, one of the original series, could do the very same. This solves a detriment that attenuates the variety of the cast, Ganondorf could impute his F-Zero move-set to Black Shadow, a character with a similar build. This is more likely, it isn't quite apparent, but Black Shadow's role in the anime certainly contains a correlation to his popularity. In Japan, his voice-actor is top-tier, Captain Falcon's voice-work is partly the reason he has become the face of Smash, so why not add another important character that can do the same.

Meowth is one of the most unique characters that Pokemon could offer, assuming he implements some of Team Rockets gadgets. The plethora of items would attribute to a truly unique character like none other. Not only is he the spiritual rival of Pikachu (inverted Pokedex numbers alluding to the notion of cat and mouse) he is also the main antagonist of the prominent Pokemon anime. The main villain of the Pokemon franchise is certainly worthy of inclusion. He has the prevalence and relevance necessary to fit the criteria offered. His overt flaw is inherent to his role in Smash.

Also, Jigglypuff is the meh gir!

I was just thinking that Meowth would be an excellent addition to Smash myself! I also thought that Jessie and James should make an appearance with one of their many machines in his final smash or that when Meowth is flying out of the stage he, Jessie, and James would be yelling, "Looks like Team Rocket's blasting off again!"(or at least Meowth should be yelling it.) :D

 

[Bowserlick]

We are missing a super-light character in the newcomer reveals.

64: Jiggs
Melee: G&W
Brawl: Squirtle

 

[MasterofMonster]

We are missing a super-light character in the newcomer reveals.

64: Jiggs
Melee: G&W
Brawl: Squirtle

Little Mac!

 

[Tepig2000]

We are missing a super-light character in the newcomer reveals.

64: Jiggs
Melee: G&W
Brawl: Squirtle

Baby Mario confirmed.

 

[ChikoLad]

We are missing a super-light character in the newcomer reveals.

64: Jiggs
Melee: G&W
Brawl: Squirtle

Rosalina says hi.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Gimme Walhart or no Fire Emblem character at all.

Well, at least he can't be a clone.

 

[SuperBrawler]

We are missing a super-light character in the newcomer reveals.

64: Jiggs
Melee: G&W
Brawl: Squirtle

Pichu.

 

[TheTuninator]

Rosalina says hi.

Mac can't weigh much either.

 

[ChikoLad]

I don't think Villager will weigh much either.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Chibi-Robo would be pretty cool.

Speaking of Chibi Robo, I might as well get a load of his SSF2 moveset before I jump on the bandwagon. That is whenever the damn demo comes out soon.

 

[Bowserlick]

Rosalina will be light, but I do not know about being one of the five lightest out of the roster. Maybe.
I see the Villager weighing around the same as the Earthbound boys.
Megaman might be slightly lighter than Mario.
And Little Mac might also be around Mario's weight.

Chibi-Robo can be super-light.
Paper Mario as well.
Possibly Lip?

 

[Starcutter]

We are missing a super-light character in the newcomer reveals.

64: Jiggs
Melee: G&W
Brawl: Squirtle

here's some nice examples:
Chibi-Robo


...um, I think I had another idea but I don't remember what it was

 

[The Nerd]

Paper Mario is a character I always kind of thought would make it in Brawl. He has a lot of potential for a unique and creative moveset and he's fairly iconic in his own right. Especially in the presence of Young Link in Melee I thought replacing Dr. Mario with Paper Mario made sense. I was somewhat disappointed when he wasn't in Brawl, and kind of went off on him as not likely after the fact but with a new smash bros on the horizon I do have to wonder. Six Mario characters is a rather lot but I don't think it would be a big issue, especially where Yoshi and Wario are technically Mario characters as well. I'd prefer Paper Mario to the other potential Mario newcomers, and consider him the most likely of the set.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Paper Mario is a character I always kind of thought would make it in Brawl. He has a lot of potential for a unique and creative moveset and he's fairly iconic in his own right. Especially in the presence of Young Link in Melee I thought replacing Dr. Mario with Paper Mario made sense. I was somewhat disappointed when he wasn't in Brawl, and kind of went off on him as not likely after the fact but with a new smash bros on the horizon I do have to wonder. Six Mario characters is a rather lot but I don't think it would be a big issue, especially where Yoshi and Wario are technically Mario characters as well. I'd prefer Paper Mario to the other potential Mario newcomers, and consider him the most likely of the set.

I recently played through The Thousand Year Door last week and 100%'d it again. I'd be lying if I didn't say I'd love to see Paper Mario in Smash Bros.

At this point, though, I honestly don't ever see him making into SSB4 at this point. Rosalina took that warm and snug 5th slot that Waluigi, Jr., and Toad all would have loved, too.

 

[ChikoLad]

Rosalina will be light, but I do not know about being one of the five lightest out of the roster. Maybe.
I see the Villager weighing around the same as the Earthbound boys.
Megaman might be slightly lighter than Mario.
And Little Mac might also be around Mario's weight.

Chibi-Robo can be super-light.
Paper Mario as well.
Possibly Lip?

Rosalina has to be pretty light, as she has that anti gravity effect going. Heck, she doesn't even stand or run, she hovers and flies about.

Mega Man will be heavier than Mario because he is a robot.

 

[The Nerd]

I recently played through The Thousand Year Door last week and 100%'d it again. I'd be lying if I didn't say I'd love to see Paper Mario in Smash Bros.

At this point, though, I honestly don't ever see him making into SSB4 at this point. Rosalina took that warm and snug 5th slot that Waluigi, Jr., and Toad all would have loved, too.

I'm not sure I agree; the only five characters from a franchise rule is something that the community made up; there were five Mario characters in Melee and it only had 26 characters at all, making it 1/5th of the roster. If we assume this game has 40 characters, then I would say thinking 8 Mario characters would be pushing it but possible, and this isn't counting Wario or Yoshi. I think it come down to whether or not Sakurai thinks Paper Mario has a fun and interesting moveset potential, and in that respect I think he outclasses Toad, Jr, and Waluigi. I don't think he's a lock, but I think his odds are better than other popular options.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Again, Paper Mario would be nice, but I seriously doubt that we will get a sixth Mario character.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I just think people need to stop viewing it as, 'Sakurai said he's looking for uniqueness. That means every single character is going to be super unique. Characters aren't unique because I say they aren't"

Chrom can easily...EASILY be unique. Roy had fire in some of his attacks. Chrom can't have blue fire or something? Just as an aesthetic thing. Give him some flare. Sure, he'd obviously use the Falchion, but what about throwing lances? Stabbing with them? What about an archer attack?

I can almost guarantee that Sakurai doesn't look at a character and instantly toss them aside. I'm sure he would do some research and examine all of the possibilities. The most glaring thing between Ike, Chrom and Marth, is that Chrom has several different types of weapons at his disposal. He can use them.

Also, mind you, that every single character in Smash Bros at this point has been a major character/cover art/iconic character. Besides MAYBE Jigglypuff, but she was popular at the time of her inclusion. Chrom dominates Robin in the regard that he is much more marketable. Disagree with that if you will, but I see that as fact. You have to consider the people who aren't as familiar with Fire Emblem. If they see Chrom and then see Awakening, they'll say, "OH. That's Chrom".

I mean obviously marketing the character isn't everything. But Sakurai isn't an idiot. He picks characters that have unique abilities, and have appeal to the largest audience. That is where Chrom wins. (NOTE: Smashboards is NOT the largest audience)

I just think people need to stop viewing it as, 'Sakurai said he's looking for uniqueness. That means every single character is going to be super unique. Characters aren't unique because I say they aren't"

Wind Waker Link can easily...EASILY be unique. Young Link had fire arrows. Wind Waker Link can't have ice arrows or something? Just as an aesthetic thing. Give him some freeze. Sure, he'd obviously use the Master Sword, but what about the Skull Hammer? Burying people with it? What about a Deku Leaf attack?

I can almost guarantee that Sakurai doesn't look at a character and instantly toss them aside. I'm sure he would do some research and examine all of the possibilities. The most glaring thing between Link, Young Link and Wind Waker Link, is that Winder Waker Link has several different types of weapons at his disposal. He can use them.

Also, mind you, that every single character in Smash Bros at this point has been a major character/cover art/iconic character. Besides MAYBE Jigglypuff, but she was popular at the time of her inclusion. Winder Waker Link dominates Midna in the regard that he is much more marketable. Disagree with that if you will, but I see that as fact. You have to consider the people who aren't as familiar with The Legend of Zelda. If they see Wind Waker Link and then see Wind Waker, they'll say, "OH. That Link".

I mean obviously marketing the character isn't everything. But Sakurai isn't an idiot. He picks characters that have unique abilities, and have appeal to the largest audience. That is where Wind Waker Link wins. (NOTE: Smashboards is NOT the largest audience)

(P.S. You know a character is ****ty when it's being compared to a scrapped clone who was highly inferior to the original.)
(P.S.S. This is obviously a jab at the people supporting Wind Waker Link during Brawl speculation)

 

[BluePikmin11]

As long as they have merits and have a decent amount of unique options, I wouldn't mind the inclusion.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I just think people need to stop viewing it as, 'Sakurai said he's looking for uniqueness. That means every single character is going to be super unique. Characters aren't unique because I say they aren't"

Wind Waker Link can easily...EASILY be unique. Young Link had fire fire arrows. Wind Waker Link can't have ice arrows or something? Just as an aesthetic thing. Give him some freeze. Sure, he'd obviously use the Master Sword, but what about the Skull Hammer? Burying people with it? What about a Deku Leaf attack?

I can almost guarantee that Sakurai doesn't look at a character and instantly toss them aside. I'm sure he would do some research and examine all of the possibilities. The most glaring thing between Link, Young Link and Wind Waker Link, is that Winder Waker Link has several different types of weapons at his disposal. He can use them.

Also, mind you, that every single character in Smash Bros at this point has been a major character/cover art/iconic character. Besides MAYBE Jigglypuff, but she was popular at the time of her inclusion. Winder Waker Link dominates Midna in the regard that he is much more marketable. Disagree with that if you will, but I see that as fact. You have to consider the people who aren't as familiar with The Legend of Zelda. If they see Wind Waker Link and then see Wind Waker, they'll say, "OH. That Link".

I mean obviously marketing the character isn't everything. But Sakurai isn't an idiot. He picks characters that have unique abilities, and have appeal to the largest audience. That is where Wind Waker Link wins. (NOTE: Smashboards is NOT the largest audience)

(P.S. You know a character is ****ty when it's being compared to a scrapped clone who was highly inferior to the original.)
(P.S.S. This is obviously a jab at the people supporting Wind Waker Link during Brawl speculation)

In before Chrom ends up as the Wolf to Ike's Fox and people end up debating whether or not Chrom is a clone or not.

 

[ChikoLad]

Toon Link was way more marketable than Young Link, hands down. And still is. While I think he had the potential for a truly different moveset and I wish they capitalised on it better, he has way more expressiveness than Young Link had, and his art style difference sets him far apart from Adult Link.

Also, as someone with basically no Fire Emblem experience (played the demo of Awakening, that's it), Chrom is the most recognisable one, as I always saw him on the game's promotional material. I'd argue that he's the Fire Emblem character with the best promotion in the West (not counting the fact that Marth, Roy, and Ike showed up in Smash. Without Smash, I wouldn't know who they are. I know who Chrom is though, and it has nothing to do with Smash).

 

[False Sense]

I'm afraid I'm a little late to the party, but I've noticed people talking about how Robin's chances are "overstated." Really? Admittedly, I've been away awhile, but the last time I checked most of us Robin supporters agree that Chrom is probably the more likely choice, but Robin would be a more ideal choice that actually has a chance. So, is there more confident Robin support out there that I'm missing, or is saying Robin has even a small chance "overstating" it?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I just think people need to stop viewing it as, 'Sakurai said he's looking for uniqueness. That means every single character is going to be super unique. Characters aren't unique because I say they aren't"

Wind Waker Link can easily...EASILY be unique. Young Link had fire fire arrows. Wind Waker Link can't have ice arrows or something? Just as an aesthetic thing. Give him some freeze. Sure, he'd obviously use the Master Sword, but what about the Skull Hammer? Burying people with it? What about a Deku Leaf attack?

I can almost guarantee that Sakurai doesn't look at a character and instantly toss them aside. I'm sure he would do some research and examine all of the possibilities. The most glaring thing between Link, Young Link and Wind Waker Link, is that Winder Waker Link has several different types of weapons at his disposal. He can use them.

Also, mind you, that every single character in Smash Bros at this point has been a major character/cover art/iconic character. Besides MAYBE Jigglypuff, but she was popular at the time of her inclusion. Winder Waker Link dominates Midna in the regard that he is much more marketable. Disagree with that if you will, but I see that as fact. You have to consider the people who aren't as familiar with The Legend of Zelda. If they see Wind Waker Link and then see Wind Waker, they'll say, "OH. That Link".

I mean obviously marketing the character isn't everything. But Sakurai isn't an idiot. He picks characters that have unique abilities, and have appeal to the largest audience. That is where Wind Waker Link wins. (NOTE: Smashboards is NOT the largest audience)

(P.S. You know a character is ****ty when it's being compared to a scrapped clone who was highly inferior to the original.)
(P.S.S. This is obviously a jab at the people supporting Wind Waker Link during Brawl speculation)

I don't get where you're going with this. Sakurai wants both Links the same as it is. That's not the same thing.

Do I think Toon Link should be at least a little different? Of course. But Tink is not the normal case.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I don't get where you're going with this. Sakurai wants both Links the same as it is. That's not the same thing.

Do I think Toon Link should be at least a little different? Of course. But Tink is not the normal case.

Again, this is all a repeat of what happened in the past. People were highly in denial that Wind Waker Link would be a clone of Link so they made up a lot of unorthodox ideas as a desperate attempt at trying to make the character seem different. Which mirrors how people supporting Chrom use a lot of desperate unorthodox ideas in order to make him seem more original then how he will end up being.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

What if Chrom ends up being as different from Ike as Wolf is to Fox?

Considering that the other two characters that shared similarities with established veterans at the time ended up being far more different than Toon Link. Wolf was more different from Fox and Lucas was more different from Ness than Toon Link was to Link.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Again, this is all a repeat of what happened in the past. People were highly in denial that Wind Waker Link would be a clone of Link so they made up a lot of unorthodox ideas as a desperate attempt at trying to make the character seem different. Which mirrors how people supporting Chrom use a lot of desperate unorthodox ideas in order to make him seem more original then how he will end up being.

Except Sakurai has specifically said Toon Link is meant to be a clone of Link. That isn't anything similar to Marth, Ike, or Chrom.

There is no way to tell at this point. If he's a clone I'll eat my words and be disappointed. But until then, I have confidence that Chrom will be different enough to warrant inclusion in the game.

 

[ChikoLad]

Again, this is all a repeat of what happened in the past. People were highly in denial that Wind Waker Link would be a clone of Link so they made up a lot of unorthodox ideas as a desperate attempt at trying to make the character seem different. Which mirrors how people supporting Chrom use a lot of desperate unorthodox ideas in order to make him seem more original then how he will end up being.

The ideas for Wind Waker Link were far from unorthodox, and made complete sense.

Skull Hammer could have been a Down Special/Smash.
The Deku Leaf parachuting maneuveur could have been an Up-Special.
The Deku Leaf wind blast could be a side special.
Fire/Ice arrows make complete sense for a neutral special.

As for the rest of his moves, there were a lot of general sword techniques that Link did in Wind Waker that other Links don't. He also could steal enemy weapons, so he could pull them out for some attacks.

 

[False Sense]

Again, this is all a repeat of what happened in the past. People were highly in denial that Wind Waker Link would be a clone of Link so they made up a lot of unorthodox ideas as a desperate attempt at trying to make the character seem different. Which mirrors how people supporting Chrom use a lot of desperate unorthodox ideas in order to make him seem more original then how he will end up being.

Just going off of that, I think it's worth mentioning that an idea I see frequently is that Chrom could have a stance based moveset that utilizes swords and spears. This is a nice idea and all, but it seems like a stretch to me. Part of this is because Ike can do a very similar think with axes in his game much like Chrom can (at a later point) use spears, but that was not implemented at all into his moveset. It's something Chrom can technically do, but it's not an emphasized part of his character, nor is it something he's well known for.

Now, let me just get this out there: Chrom CAN be unique. I hold the belief that absolutely any character can be made unique. Unfortunately, not all characters are as likely to be unique, or have the same potential for it. I feel that Chrom is one of these characters. There are ways he could be made unique, but it seems tricky to do without reaching into the bottom of the barrel of all his lesser known capabilities.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I mean at the moment. Like, they have an F-Zero game they would like to promote.
Please, leave me alone on this. It was an offhand remark.

NEVER!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Arcanir]

Again, this is all a repeat of what happened in the past. People were highly in denial that Wind Waker Link would be a clone of Link so they made up a lot of unorthodox ideas as a desperate attempt at trying to make the character seem different. Which mirrors how people supporting Chrom use a lot of desperate unorthodox ideas in order to make him seem more original then how he will end up being.

Desperate and unorthodox? How is drawing from the different weapons he can use and/or mechanics in the game unorthodox? It's just drawing from his pool to give him options, it's no worse then using Aether for Ike or Critical hit for Marth.

Regardless, as mentioned by Scoliosis Jones, the issue of Toon Link and Link has always been Sakurai's mindset on those two characters alone, not the lack of potential for them to be unique from each other. Chrom doesn't have that issue, can be made unique and he has the options to do so, to ignore them is to be blind to the possibilities the character can bring to the table and we've had a ton of characters that have done so despite initially looking bland on first look.