Character Discussion Thread

[FlareHabanero]

Except Sakurai has specifically said Toon Link is meant to be a clone of Link. That isn't anything similar to Marth, Ike, or Chrom.

There is no way to tell at this point. If he's a clone I'll eat my words and be disappointed. But until then, I have confidence that Chrom will be different enough to warrant inclusion in the game.

First off, the fatal flaw with that argument is that people didn't know if there was an intent on making the character a clone or not until the reveal confirmed it. Hence why, yet again, people were persistent with shooting down the naysayers with many ideas that didn't meld., but in the end that was all in vein.

Second, you should of been disappointed since day one. Seriously, could we have gotten a more unlikable Lord?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I didn't, I mentioned it as one of the things that set him apart from normal Link, and give him his appeal. Mario and Paper Mario are LITERALLY the same character

I love how being the same person is like a sin against humanity when it comes to the Smash Roster. There is literally NOTHING wrong with that. People are so hell bent on "variety" that they really don't care who you play as so long as they're NOT the same person as somebody else. Like why is this bad again? Because it's a waste that could be spent on a different character? Well, what if I don't want that character? What if I wanna play as Toon Link? Maybe some people would actually prefer that smash make use of the other variations of characters. That's kind of important you know. There is a lot of Marios and a lot of Links. It's totally unfair to only make use of one.

I don't understand in the slightest why being the same character is in any way a bad thing. I mean unless there's 5 Links, there is no reason to complain besides greed.

just in a different art style. That's like me asking for Classic Sonic in a separate character slot.

No. No it's really not.

Again, this is all a repeat of what happened in the past. People were highly in denial that Wind Waker Link would be a clone of Link so they made up a lot of unorthodox ideas as a desperate attempt at trying to make the character seem different. Which mirrors how people supporting Chrom use a lot of desperate unorthodox ideas in order to make him seem more original then how he will end up being.

It's so adorable when people try to argue that Lucina (a character who is essentially a female counterpart of Marth.) would implement different stances. Like they try to argue with Chrom. Completely ignoring the fact that the character is almost identical to Marth and capable of doing everything he does, exactly as he does it.

Did you know Leif can perform magic? Yeah, didn't see him in Melee in Brawl. It's because Sakurai really doesn't care what differences you have when you are so similar. So long as you can perform all the character's abilities, there is no reason for you not to. And I think the same really applies for Krystal. Not to mention it'd be kind of weird implementing her staff (which appeared once in a RareWare game) whilst maintaining her (more recognizable) pilot outfit scheme.

I've also heard people argue that Dark Pit would use different weaponry. Yeah, a palette swap of Pit being the first clone exemption. Seems legit.

First off, the fatal flaw with that argument is that people didn't know if there was an intent on making the character a clone or not until the reveal confirmed it. Hence why, yet again, people were persistent with shooting down the naysayers with many ideas that didn't meld., but in the end that was all in vein.

Second, you should of been disappointed since day one. Seriously, could we have gotten a more unlikable Lord?

Personally I hate Chrom. I don't know why, but when I played Fire Emblem Awakening he was soooo boring.

And potential wise, I don't think Sakurai is even going to CONSIDER him.

 

[ChikoLad]

^I'm not even going to give you the time of day. Those weren't arguments you gave me, so I don't need to counter them. That was whining and damage controlling. Seriously:

Well, what if I don't want that character?

This is the worst thing you could say in an open discussion thread. Nobody cares to specifically cater to you. Sorry, but you are just one person. People are not going to totally take back their words just because you don't want a character they suggested, or vice versa.

 

[The Nerd]

I remember I used to visit the 'Make Your Move' thread in the pre-brawl days, when it just started. As a sort of joke, I decided it would be fun to make aLttP Link into his own character, complete with some of the more esoteric magic used in his kit somewhere. Looking back his kit was somewhat poorly designed, but I think it serves as a testament to the fact that you could probably build a fighting game out of the different links that have appeared in Legend of Zelda, let alone fill the roster of Smash with them. Mask Link, aLttP Link, Wolf Link, Phantom Hourglass Link, Oracles-Link, the choices go on and on! Too bad it'll never happen.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Desperate and unorthodox? How is drawing from the different weapons he can use and/or mechanics in the game unorthodox? It's just drawing from his pool to give him options, it's no worse then using Aether for Ike or Critical hit for Marth.

One move =/= entire move set

Regardless, as mentioned by Scoliosis Jones, the issue of Toon Link and Link has always been Sakurai's mindset on those two characters alone, not the lack of potential for them to be unique from each other. Chrom doesn't have that issue

Hold the phone

Where did you get that idea? Sakurai has a mindset on the two Links being the same, but where on earth did you get the impression that it stops there? What about the Mario brothers? What about Fox & Falco? What about the EarthBound kids? You don't think he has that mindset? Do you think anybody besides Ganondorf was made a clone because there was no other option? It's obvious that it's because he has a mindset for all clones.

Name one character in Super Smash Brothers who A: Shared major similarities with another character., B: Was perfectly capable of performing the moves of said character and C: DIDN'T become a clone/pseudo clone.

can be made unique and he has the options to do so

Toon Link and Lucas can be made unique. Sakurai has the option to do so.

to ignore them is to be blind to the possibilities

I usually like to put probabilities before possibilities

the character can bring to the table and we've had a ton of characters that have done so despite initially looking bland on first look.

We did?

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Chrom can easily...EASILY be unique. Roy had fire in some of his attacks. Chrom can't have blue fire or something? Just as an aesthetic thing. Give him some flare. Sure, he'd obviously use the Falchion, but what about throwing lances? Stabbing with them? What about an archer attack?

Hate to nitpick, but I don't recall Chrom ever using 'blue flames' in Awakening the same way Roy uses fire in FE6. Having not played FE13 extensively as of late, I won't rule out the possibility that he had them in a curscene or something, but it seems like an odd thing to base his moveset on.

 

[False Sense]

^I'm not even going to give you the time of day. Those weren't arguments you gave me, so I don't need to counter them. That was whining and damage controlling.

Sorry, but that's a little rude. I think there are some valid arguments in there to consider. Even if you don't agree with them, you shouldn't brush the entire post off like that. That's just being disrespectful.

And in regards to the argument of having different versions of the same character, I think it's alright if they're different enough. Paper Mario has plenty of possibilities for a moveset that would be really fun to see implemented, and I know a lot of people do want him in. More than other Mario characters, even. I think that's what Saturn was trying to say there. Some people don't care if a character is technically the same person as another character. Usually there's some merit to them that makes people want them over others.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Besides, if you want a character that has a sword that can conjure fire, Takamaru could do that too.

 

[---]

I'm going to have to ask some of you to calm down. Some of these arguments are bordering on flaming.

It's okay to express your opinions, just don't do it in a way that makes things personal or disrespects other posters.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

First off, the fatal flaw with that argument is that people didn't know if there was an intent on making the character a clone or not until the reveal confirmed it. Hence why, yet again, people were persistent with shooting down the naysayers with many ideas that didn't meld., but in the end that was all in vein.

Second, you should of been disappointed since day one. Seriously, could we have gotten a more unlikable Lord?

Chrom is unlikable to you. But to others, such as myself, we happen to like him.

That's not a bad thing. Honestly, at this point, I don't even give a **** if he's unique. I just want to play as a character I want to play as. I shouldn't have to explain why. Do I really care if Chrom gets in? Meh. Not really. If I can still play as Ike or Snake, then I can take him or leave him.

Onto my next point...Toon Link is still an exception. Sakurai made him to be a clone of Link. That is not consistent with any other character in the roster. Chrom can get away with being a unique enough character. There is no real reason to make Chrom a clone. Ike has his own abilities, and even if Chrom is given Aether, using it in a different fashion gameplay wise sidesteps that.

Regardless if people knew that was the case with him, that's still Toon Link. That's not every other character ever. It shouldn't be treated as such until Sakurai says it is.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Onto my next point...Toon Link is still an exception. Sakurai made him to be a clone of Link. That is not consistent with any other character in the roster.

How?

Chrom can get away with being a unique enough character.

Then why didn't Lucas?

There is no real reason to make Chrom a clone. Ike has his own abilities

You are comparing a character with a similar sword who can perform all of Marth's moves, to someone with a unique sword who CAN'T perform all of Marth's moves.

 

[Curious Villager]

Ugh I'm getting a strong vibe of "Stop liking what I don't like" from some posters here.....

Oh well, like --- said, keep it a bit calm and civil here guys. ^^

 

[BluePikmin11]

I just can't wait for a unique Chrom to be on the roster so that you guys realize you are just following popular logic here.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

How?


Then why didn't Lucas?


You are comparing a character with a similar sword who can perform all of Marth's moves, to someone with a unique sword who CAN'T perform all of Marth's moves.

Sakurai has specifically stated that Toon Link and Link were meant to be the same. Lucas, Falco, Wolf, Ganondorf, and whoever else are essentially accepted semi-clones from the Smash fanbase (at least a majority). I can't find the article, but I'm pretty sure that was said. You can choose to not believe me, but I don't really see why I would lie about that.

Chrom's Falchion is reforged because of damage over time, and is more of a broadsword than a rapier, so no, he can't really fight in the same fashion that Marth could.

 

[Gunla]

Regardless if people knew that was the case with him, that's still Toon Link. That's not every other character ever. It shouldn't be treated as such until Sakurai says it is.

Just gonna take this note here.

We can't exactly be sure someone will be a clone, 100% or 0% unless Sakurai explicitly states that they indeed are based on another character. For all we know, Chrom could just share the counter and be wholly unique. Just because of one's appearance or nature doesn't mean that they will be just like the previous Lord. That's the serious misconception with a lot of characters, it's Carl Clover Syndrome.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I just can't wait for a unique Chrom to be on the roster so that you guys realize you are just following popular logic here.

With all due respect, I find this to be ironic.

The logic that Chrom would be unique unlike Lucas, Falco, Toon Link, Wolf, etc. is just popular logic based on personal bias.

The logic that he WOULDN'T is not popular, but it's actually based on what has happened before and has solid evidence to back it up. The only real evidence to back your logic up is that it's a "Possibility" and that it "COULD/SHOULD happen". Which is completely different from a probability based on what HAS happened and what WOULD happen.

 

[False Sense]

I just can't wait for a unique Chrom to be on the roster so that you guys realize you are just following popular logic here.

Technically, Chrom being included at all is just following popular logic.

Please don't kill me.

 

[Louie G.]

Actually the logic that Chrom will be a generic FE Lord character is the most widely accepted and expected option.
That being said it's more a matter of whether Sakurai WANTS to make him unique or not, and looking at the roster so far I don't really see many, if any, semi-clones in our future.
That being said some "look alike" characters really do play differently.
Luigi, Wolf, and Jiggs have similar movepools to their characters of origin, but in the end they feel a lot different.

 

[Arcanir]

One move =/= entire move set

You're right, but having a few options for weapons does lend to entire movesets correct?

Hold the phone
Where did you get that idea? Sakurai has a mindset on the two Links being the same, but where on earth did you get the impression that it stops there? What about the Mario brothers? What about Fox & Falco? What about the EarthBound kids? You don't think he has that mindset? Do you think anybody besides Ganondorf was made a clone because there was no other option? It's obvious that it's because he has a mindset for all clones.

Luigi, Lucas, and Falco (to a lesser extent) have deviated from their templates quite a bit, especially when they get into their A moves. Toon Link has always been the exception in that regard as he's the only one that almost completely mirrors his template with the most deviations being in the speed and power of them.

Name one character in Super Smash Brothers who A: Shared major similarities with another character., B: Was perfectly capable of performing the moves of said character and C: DIDN'T become a clone/pseudo clone.

Marth and Ike if we're going to degrade a character's similarities to "blue-haired swordsman." Potentially, Ike could've (key word being could) taken from Marth's moveset as a speedy swordsman.

Also as Louie G. said, Jigglypuff serves as a good example of a character that looks alike but plays differently.

Look at what I said with Luigi for Wolf and Lucas.

And out of the rest, all except one of those were last minute clones (and that one draws from the same template as one).

 

[ChikoLad]

Sorry, but that's a little rude. I think there are some valid arguments in there to consider. Even if you don't agree with them, you shouldn't brush the entire post off like that. That's just being disrespectful.

And in regards to the argument of having different versions of the same character, I think it's alright if they're different enough. Paper Mario has plenty of possibilities for a moveset that would be really fun to see implemented, and I know a lot of people do want him in. More than other Mario characters, even. I think that's what Saturn was trying to say there. Some people don't care if a character is technically the same person as another character. Usually there's some merit to them that makes people want them over others.

So being truthful is rude and insulting? Sorry, but I'm not going to sugar coat just because I might look a bit blunt.

And as I've already said, Mario can literally do anything Paper Mario could. That's why I feel it's redundant, and doubt it will happen. I stand by saying Toon Link is acceptable because he IS a different character, even if his moves are too similar to Link's when they could have been more unique. I didn't mind too much in the end though, because Toon Link feels different as a character and in how he expresses himself.

And I wouldn't mind two different versions of one character if those two different versions were very distinguishable in character. Paper Mario is Mario (and neither have much character to begin with). Both have all of the same abilities. There is literally no need to have the two of them be separate characters on the roster.

And just to be clear, this is not me saying "stop liking what I don't like". I played Super Paper Mario, and it was one of my favourite games for the Wii, and I intend to play it's predecessors. But I feel like there are better ways to represent that series than Mario #2. Heck, I'd accept Mr.L more, because while he is still technically Luigi, he was an alter-ego, and had his own qualities that Luigi would not use otherwise (such as Brobot), and was entertaining as a character. Mario is a mascot, not a character. So I'd rather not have the same mascot in two different costumes.

People like to harp on about how it's all about the moveset, but if moveset potential is all a character needs to get into Smash, I guess Goku is confirmed.

 

[Gunla]

Actually the logic that Chrom will be a generic FE Lord character is the most widely accepted and expected option.
That being said it's more a matter of whether Sakurai WANTS to make him unique or not, and looking at the roster so far I don't really see many, if any, semi-clones in our future.
That being said some "look alike" characters really do play differently.
Luigi, Wolf, and Jiggs have similar movepools to their characters of origin, but in the end they feel a lot different.

It's Carl Clover Syndrome: Everyone expects the character closely related to the existing character to immeadiatly be a clone. With Relius Clover, everyone expected him to play like Carl, turns out he didn't at all.
Some lookalikes and similar characters do indeed play similarly and differently. There's just no easy way to really pin down whether it will be exact or not. Popular logic only follows the syndrome by deeming Chrom clone-only, while Sakurai may just do either!
So you are very correct in this manner.

 

[Opossum]

In other news, I think Chrom's going to be the April reveal. Here's hoping!

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

With all due respect, I find this to be ironic.

The logic that Chrom would be unique unlike Lucas, Falco, Toon Link, Wolf, etc. is just popular logic based on personal bias.

The logic that he WOULDN'T is not popular, but it's actually based on what has happened before and has solid evidence to back it up. The only real evidence to back your logic up is that it's a "Possibility" and that it "COULD/SHOULD happen". Which is completely different from a probability based on what HAS happened and what WOULD happen.

As others have said, there are plenty more people who think he'd be a clone. I'm just a louder supporter and post often.

@ Opossum atta boy

 

[Louie G.]

In other news, I think Chrom's going to be the April reveal. Here's hoping!

Takamaru brah.

And why is it that we have this same conversation EVERY time Saturn is here?
Literally every time.

 

[Opossum]

Takamaru brah.

And why is it that we have this same conversation EVERY time Saturn is here?
Literally every time.

I could see either Takamaru or Chrom, but I'm much more leaning toward Chrom. Not only is Awakening's anniversary in April, but the entire Fire Emblem franchise as a whole has its anniversary in April, so I think it supersedes it in that regard.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Sakurai has specifically stated that Toon Link and Link were meant to be the same. Lucas, Falco, Wolf, Ganondorf, and whoever else are essentially accepted semi-clones from the Smash fanbase

That is completely bogus.

You're saying that because Sakurai commented on ONE character, but not the others that it doesn't apply? Are you saying that because Sakurai didn't say something about someone that it's automatically not how he feels about them. Despite that they fit the same description as that character?

You can't expect me to believe that he doesn't feel this way about the Mario Brothers, Fox & Falco, or the EarthBound Kids. Not to the extreme of Toon Link, no. But not at all? I wouldn't deem 8 characters to be "Exceptions". The only one you could plausibly deem as such is Ganondorf.

The Smash fanbase has a lot of strange and bias views. But, just because it's a majority doesn't make it any more likely.

Chrom's Falchion is reforged because of damage over time, and is more of a broadsword than a rapier, so no, he can't really fight in the same fashion that Marth could.

Let's compare the swords of Marth, Roy, and Chrom.

From what I can see, Roy's is more differently shaped from Marth's than Chrom's is. The only exception is that Chrom's falchion has a hole at the bottom. So to say he can't perform the same abilities because of THAT is ridiculous.

I suppose this means Link, Young Link, and Toon Link can't be clones. Seeing how different their equipment is.

 

[Louie G.]

I could see either Takamaru or Chrom, but I'm much more leaning toward Chrom. Not only is Awakening's anniversary in April, but the entire Fire Emblem franchise as a whole has its anniversary in April, so I think it supersedes it in that regard.

I'm just feeling Takamaru.
He's a good follow-up to Little Mac, and Nazo no Murasame Jo has IT'S anniversary in April as well.
Although I can totally see Chrom. Before Ike too, that'll sure be fun.
And of course, it is possible we get Palutena this week. Here's hoping!

@SaturnGamer64
With all due respect the sword shape argument is ridiculous.
You know, given that Roy's sword actually looks more like Marth's than Chrom's.

 

[False Sense]

So being truthful is rude and insulting? Sorry, but I'm not going to sugar coat just because I might look a bit blunt.

And as I've already said, Mario can literally do anything Paper Mario could. That's why I feel it's redundant, and doubt it will happen. I stand by saying Toon Link is acceptable because he IS a different character, even if his moves are two similar to Link's when they could have been more unique. I didn't mind too much in the end though, because Toon Link feels different as a character and in how he expresses himself.

And I wouldn't mind two different versions of one character if those two different versions were very distinguishable in character. Paper Mario is Mario (and neither have much character to begin with). Both have all of the same abilities. There is literally no need to have the two of them be separate characters on the roster.

Still, I would find it debatable that what Saturn said was completely wrong, and to that extent, if what you're saying is truthful.

Now, I would also argue that Paper Mario has several abilities that regular Mario does not, including his frequently used hammer abilities, paper-based transformations, dimension flipping, the items that he finds in Sticker Star, special moves... Paper Mario has quite a few unique capabilities that could be incorporated into a moveset. I really don't think you can say that Mario and Paper Mario do the exact same things, by any means.

That being said, I don't actually think Paper Mario will be a character in SSB4. I really doubt we'll get anymore Mario characters now that we have Rosalina. I just wanted to point out that Paper Mario does have more merit than you seem to give him credit for.

 

[Gunla]

In other news, I think Chrom's going to be the April reveal. Here's hoping!

To be even more general, I'm just simply excited for a reveal in general. Any newcomer for an existing franchise is accepted. Or Tak. Or Shulk- Or just anything in general! Reveals are always appreciated on my end, and I'm fairly sure we're getting one in April.
Well, except Miis and Wakka Wakka.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Chrom is unlikable to you. But to others, such as myself, we happen to like him.

That's not a bad thing. Honestly, at this point, I don't even give a **** if he's unique. I just want to play as a character I want to play as. I shouldn't have to explain why. Do I really care if Chrom gets in? Meh. Not really. If I can still play as Ike or Snake, then I can take him or leave him.

Tolerating the ****tiest possible scenario is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Seriously, just the idea of you as a human actually accepting the idea of being forced to shovel in **** just to have a character you want is just begging for disappointment. You me being a big fan of Xenoblade Chronicles in general and Shulk would adore Shulk even if every single attribute he has was incredibly horrible to the point of being unusable? Hell no, I would consider that a disgrace and wouldn't even bother using him. In fact, it's already happened with characters like Bowser and Sonic. So every time someone disregards everything just for the sake of character loyalty, it baffles me.

Also, no, every person that adores Chrom has horrible judgement of character. I'm sorry, but it's hard to love a terrible leader.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

@SaturnGamer64
With all due respect the sword shape argument is ridiculous.
You know, given that Roy's sword actually looks more like Marth's than Chrom's.

The sword shape argument is ridicilous because Scoliosis says that Chrom can't be a clone because of it. When Chrom's sword looks more like Marth's than Roy's does. It's practically the same shape while Roy's kind of intercepts at the end. The only realy difference is the hole at the bottom of Chrom's.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

With all due respect, that is completely bogus.

You're saying that because Sakurai commented on ONE character, but not the others that it doesn't apply? Are you saying that because Sakurai didn't say something about someone that it's automatically not how he feels about them. Despite that they fit the same description as that character?

You can't expect me to believe that he doesn't feel this way about the Mario Brothers, Fox & Falco, or the EarthBound Kids. Not to the extreme of Toon Link, no. But not at all? I wouldn't deem 8 characters to be "Exceptions". The only one you could plausibly deem as such is Ganondorf.

The Smash fanbase has a lot of strange and bias views. But, just because it's a majority doesn't make it any more likely.




Let's compare the swords of Marth, Roy, and Chrom.

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From what I can see, Roy's is more differently shaped than Marth's than Chrom's is. The only exception is that Chrom's falchion has a hole at the bottom. So to say he can't perform the same abilities because of THAT is ridicilous.

I suppose this means Link, Young Link, and Toon Link can't be clones. Seeing how different their equipment is.

You are the one who would need to present proof that he would do that to Chrom. The burden of proof is on you.

Chrom's sword was reforged. Because the sword broke. It is now larger and heavier, meaning it is not a rapier, but a broadsword. You do not fight with a broadsword the same you would fight with a rapier. If anything, Chrom would be closer to Ike.

You're ignoring the fact that Sakurai said what he did with that last sentence, as they clearly wouldn't be different if Sakurai doesn't want them to be. There is no disagreement if the creator is the one who says that.

Are Chrom and Ike the same character but seperate incarnations? No. So they aren't the same thing as Link and Toon Link. End of story.

Tolerating the ****tiest possible scenario is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Seriously, just the idea of you as a human actually accepting the idea of being forced to shovel in **** just to have a character you want is just begging for disappointment. You me being a big fan of Xenoblade Chronicles in general and Shulk would adore Shulk even if every single attribute he has was incredibly horrible to the point of being unusable? Hell no, I would consider that a disgrace and wouldn't even bother using him. In fact, it's already happened with characters like Bowser and Sonic. So every time someone disregards everything just for the sake of character loyalty, it baffles me.

Also, no, every person that adores Chrom has horrible judgement of character. I'm sorry, but it's hard to love a terrible leader.

That is your opinion. I play Super Smash Bros to play as the characters I want to play as. The competitive part of it can fly a kite.

There is nothing wrong with anybody who has that opinion. If you don't want that to happen, then good for you. But I would be satisfied either way.

 

[Louie G.]

Jones double posted?
It's always funny when a mod double posts.
"Just don't let it happen again, ya hear?"

 

[FlareHabanero]

That is your opinion. I play Super Smash Bros to play as the characters I want to play as. The competitive part of it can fly a kite.

There is nothing wrong with anybody who has that opinion. If you don't want that to happen, then good for you. But I would be satisfied either way.

So you'll love Chrom even if he somehow makes Pichu look like Meta Knight by comparison? I don't understand.

 

[Opossum]

The sword shape argument is ridicilous because Scoliosis says that Chrom can't be a clone because of it. When Chrom's sword looks more like Marth's than Roy's does. It's practically the same shape while Roy's kind of intercepts at the end. The only realy difference is the hole at the bottom of Chrom's.

Honestly, Roy's still looks closer to Marth's to me...

Jones double posted?
It's always funny when a mod double posts.
"Just don't let it happen again, ya hear?"

A pain Falkoopa knows all too well.

 

[ChikoLad]

Paper Mario has quite a few unique capabilities that could be incorporated into a moveset.

Not really, because:

frequently used hammer abilities

Also, the Hammer/Golden Hammer item in Smash comes from Donkey Kong (Arcade/NES game, not the series)/Wrecking Crew, which is a Mario game.

paper-based transformations

Prince Fluff from Kirby's Epic Yarn could have that, only done better, but with yarn, which would look way more interesting visually.

dimension flipping,

special moves

Most of his special moves are doable by Mario. He may not use them in Smash, but they are not that interesting.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

A pain Falkoopa knows all too well.

Can we not make fun of Jones for 2x posting?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

So you'll love Chrom even if he somehow makes Pichu look like Meta Knight by comparison? I don't understand.

Yes actually, I would.

Would I be way more excited for a unique moveset? Probably. But if we get Chrom, then we get Chrom. I really have nothing else to say other than that. I want to play as several characters and Chrom is one of them. That's all it is.

I seriously don't get why it's a big deal. It's a difference in opinion.

@ Jason the Yoshi it's alright. I appreciate you sticking up for me but it's not a big deal.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

You are the one who would need to present proof that he would do that to Chrom. The burden of proof is on you.

Again??? It's not that I haven't stated the proof (which I have like a million times) it's that you won't accept it.

Every character who has A: Share major similarities with a character & B: Was originally capable of performing their abilities. has become a clone or pseudo clone.

The only two characters that people think are exceptions are Rosalina and Ike. Despite that they can't conceivably perform Peach and Marth's abilities. And before you get all "Oh, neither could Lucas.", Lucas could perform PSI. There's a difference between canonically performing an ability and being physiclaly able to perform an ability.

There is your proof. If you can name a character who simultaneously fit the description of A & B who DIDN'T become a clone or pseudo clone then be my guest.

Chrom's sword was reforged. Because the sword broke. It is now larger and heavier, meaning it is not a rapier, but a broadsword. You do not fight with a broadsword the same you would fight with a rapier. If anything, Chrom would be closer to Ike.

I've played Awakening. It's not that heavy. I've seen how fast he fights with it in the cut scenes.

You're ignoring the fact that Sakurai said what he did with that last sentence, as they clearly wouldn't be different if Sakurai doesn't want them to be. There is no disagreement if the creator is the one who says that.

So why do you keep disagreeing with him

Are Chrom and Ike the same character but seperate incarnations? No. So they aren't the same thing as Link and Toon Link. End of story.

I'm opening the storybook back up.

Being an incarnation is not an excuse for body structure and slight change in weaponry aesthetics. If you can perform the same abilities with it then you can perform the same abilities with it. That's the end of the story.

 

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Can we not make fun of Jones for 2x posting?

Jones is a pal of mine, he knows I'm only joking.

R-right?

Appreciate the concern, though, haha.