Character Discussion Thread

[Freduardo]

You wish to talk Zelda Newcomers?

The Legend of Super Zelda Brothers:

Roster:

Lightweight Characters:
Young Link
Toon Link
Toon Zelda
Wolf Link And Midna
Tingle
Twinrova
The Deku Shrub guy from Majora's Mask
Sheik
Tetra
Maple
Skull Kid


Middleweight Characters:
Adult Link
Ravio
Linebeck (Possessed by Bellum)
Ralph
Byrne
Groose (Is that how his name is spelled?)
Agnahim
Dampe
The Zora guy from Majora's Mask
Impa
Zelda
Vaati
Yuga

Heavyweight Characters:
General Onox
Veran
Zant
Ganondorf
Ganon
Ghirahim
Oni Link
The Goron guy from Majora's Mask
Epona Link
Demise (Playable Boss)
Giant Cuccoo (Playable Secret Boss)
Fish from Link's Awakening (Boss Battle)
Malladus the Demon King (Boss Battle)
Demise Possessed Biggoron (Boss Battle)

 

[Croph]

I wouldn't be surprised if we do get a Zelda newcomer. I'm really, really, really hoping Ganon gets de-cloned (and characters like Falco). Though, some people may be against that idea, some vets did receive changes, so we'll see what happens.

Although I'm personally hoping for someone else, I also wouldn't be surprised if Sakurai wants to revisit Toon Zelda and make her playable (never underestimate the power of Sakurai's willfulness!). I'm really excited for the Zelda roster for some reason.

 

[ChikoLad]

I get the feeling we're not going to get anywhere here... If you're only going to respond to my counterarguments and examples that point out holes in your argument with "your arguments fall flat," rather than actually explaining why my argument fall flat, I guess we're done here. Pity, I was hoping to reach a more satisfying and enlightening solution to this.

I provided the reason multiple times, but you keep side stepping it. I'm not repeating myself anymore.

And with that, I am probably done with this topic for a while, until a certain project of mine is done so I can post it here.

 

[pikachugamer21]

you guys never hear from me much anymore I'm always quite busy but I believe that the constant arguing going on here is tearing us apart can't we all be one big happy smash speculation family

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

you guys never hear from me much anymore I'm always quite busy but I believe that the constant arguing going on here is tearing us apart can't we all be one big happy smash speculation family

I wish that were true.

 

[UltimateWario]

Besides a select few, I'd like to think that we're all pretty benevolent toward one another, especially compared to other Smash-related discussion centers.

I mean, you should've seen all the "lol daisy confirmed" threads on GameFAQs the day after Waluigi was deconfirmed. Not only was it pointless shots being fired, it was done in the most asinine way possible (e.g. thinking that Daisy actually has any sort of chance, and yes, they were being extremely serious).

We're pretty good people around here, I'd like to think.

 

[Substitution]

A character who's moveset is based on another character. Happy?

...I'm not much of a fan of that tone. Bub.

Well, Lucas still (entirely unnecessarily) shares several similarities among his specials,

But even then, he still had enough unique elements to be called a "semi-clone".

Luigi was a clone in the 1st game, which the point I was trying to make with him.

I get that.
But that still doesn't explain Lucas being a clone.
And if Luigi was important, I doubt he'd be last minute...

 

[pikachugamer21]

Besides a select few, I'd like to think that we're all pretty benevolent toward one another, especially compared to other Smash-related discussion centers.

I mean, you should've seen all the "lol daisy confirmed" threads on GameFAQs the day after Waluigi was deconfirmed. Not only was it pointless shots being fired, it was done in the most asinine way possible (e.g. thinking that Daisy actually has any sort of chance).

We're pretty good people around here, I'd like to think.

I didn't mean any offense to anybody I was just trying to lighten the mood to stop all of those Chrom arguments but yeah believe me I know how bad GameFAQs is that is why I chose to be part of this smash speculation family

 

[Deleted member]

you guys never hear from me much anymore I'm always quite busy but I believe that the constant arguing going on here is tearing us apart can't we all be one big happy smash speculation family

Well thats what happens when baby Bowser steals the Super Happy Tree from Yoshi's Story, not only do Yoshis lose happiness...we do too!

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

No idea what you're talking about, but isn't it best to fix things rather then remove them?

If something is broken, it can be fixed. If something is an outright terrible move that never gets used outside of casual play, it's worth scrapping. After all, if something is that bad that it needs to be buffed in every way to be even usable in a serious match, it probably shouldn't even be used as a gameplay concept.

And before my words get twisted around into "Oh, you're saying we shouldn't have had Ganondorf in Brawl at all then.", take note of Ganondorf being #12 on the tier-list in Melee. His Warlock Punch is still never used competitively. I'm not saying Ganondorf can't be fixed. I'm saying it's his Warlock Punch that can't without being much, much more like a regular Falcon Punch in its mechanics... Which takes away the justification of being a slower, more powerful Falcon Punch in the first place...

 

[pikachugamer21]

Well thats what happens when baby Bowser steals the Super Happy Tree from Yoshi's Story, not only do Yoshis lose happiness...we do too!

Well I suppose that's a pretty legit reason to be unhappy

 

[The Nerd]

I get the feeling we're not going to get anywhere here... If you're only going to respond to my counterarguments and examples that point out holes in your argument with "your arguments fall flat," rather than actually explaining why my argument fall flat, I guess we're done here. Pity, I was hoping to reach a more satisfying and enlightening solution to this.

You wish to talk Zelda Newcomers?

The Legend of Super Zelda Brothers:
etc

Your lack of playable Odowla and Happy Mask Salesman concerns me. Also, playable gibdos would be cool, just sayin. Legend of Super Zelda Brothers 2 maybe?

EDIT: Didn't meant to quote False Sense, my bad. Although I guess since I did, I'll throw in my two cents before I leave for bed: I think Paper Mario would be a cool and fun addition to the roster. While Mario does technically use a hammer in other games it's only a really huge part of his 8 bit games and Paper Mario games. I think it would still fit fine. He could also use his companion characters as part of his moveset, allowing for some crazy action! (His dash attack should be his running spin.)

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Besides a select few, I'd like to think that we're all pretty benevolent toward one another, especially compared to other Smash-related discussion centers.

I mean, you should've seen all the "lol daisy confirmed" threads on GameFAQs the day after Waluigi was deconfirmed. Not only was it pointless shots being fired, it was done in the most asinine way possible (e.g. thinking that Daisy actually has any sort of chance).

We're pretty good people around here, I'd like to think.

Yeah, we're all cool most of the time.

Just don't mention Fire Em-*shot*

 

[pikachugamer21]

Yeah, we're all cool most of the time.

Just don't mention Fire Em-*shot*

Mentioning those 2 words is practially starting war so I will refrain from that

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

...I'm not much of a fan of that tone. Bub.


But even then, he still had enough unique elements to be called a "semi-clone".

I get that.
But that still doesn't explain Lucas being a clone.
And if Luigi was important, I doubt he'd be last minute...

I just get annoyed when people tell me how a character isn't a complete clone, it just comes off as pretentious. I just said that by clone I meant a character who's moveset is based on another character, I don't mean clone as in completely the same. I also didn't say Luigi got in last minute, I said he was important enough to be added from the beginning.

 

[Starcutter]

I pretty much come here to argue about smash, it's entertaining, especially with phoenix wright gifts. Too bad we can't use them anymore.

 

[pikachugamer21]

I pretty much come here to argue about smash, it's entertaining, especially with phoenix wright gifts. Too bad we can't use them anymore.

I will admit those arguments were quite entertaining

 

[Deleted member]

Black Shadow discussion?

Black Shadow discussion.

Thoughts on the hypothetical that he takes the old Ganon set; should he literally just take the old moves, or should he have his own spin on them?

 

[Kenith]

Black Shadow discussion?

Black Shadow discussion.

Thoughts on the hypothetical that he takes the old Ganon set; should he literally just take the old moves, or should he have his own spin on them?

I am on board with this, was actually thinking about whether it was better to include Goroh or Black Shadow with Ganon's old moveset.

I think he should have a few new moves, so he's not completely stale. Example, his dash attack could be him stabbing with his horns instead of a tackle.
A Final Smash that is like an evil, awesome of Captain Falcon's is a cool idea.

 

[Zhadgon]

Black Shadow discussion?

Black Shadow discussion.

Thoughts on the hypothetical that he takes the old Ganon set; should he literally just take the old moves, or should he have his own spin on them?

Own spin of them with some Luigified flavor would be good and I will be ok with that, so finally Ganondorf could get a unique moveset.

.n_n.

 

[Deleted member]

I am on board with this, was actually thinking about whether it was better to include Goroh or Black Shadow with Ganon's old moveset.

I think he should have a few new moves, so he's not completely stale. Example, his dash attack could be him stabbing with his horns instead of a tackle.
A Final Smash that is like an evil, awesome of Captain Falcon's is a cool idea.

I actually had an idea for that.

Based on the "Black Shadow's Trap!" cutscene from GX, he would create an energy chain and shoot it forward. Whoever it hits is then binded by the chain and B. Shadow teleports himself and his victim to the racetrack in Falcon's FS.
He summons the Black Bull (or at least one of numerous decoys), telekinetically places the victim in the driver's seat, rigs the machine to explode, and sends it down the track. A few seconds after it races down, the machine explodes, which sends B. Shadow and the victim back to the stage, but the victim is sent flying in a flaming burst. It is an assured KO. (To make up for the fact it can only affect one opponent.)

 

[Kenith]

I actually had an idea for that.

Based on the "Black Shadow's Trap!" cutscene from GX, he would create an energy chain and shoot it forward. Whoever it hits is then binded by the chain and B. Shadow teleports himself and his victim to the racetrack in Falcon's FS.
He summons the Black Bull (or at least one of numerous decoys), telekinetically places the victim in the driver's seat, rigs the machine to explode, and sends it down the track. A few seconds after it races down, the machine explodes, which sends B. Shadow and the victim back to the stage, but the victim is sent flying in a flaming burst. It is an assured KO. (To make up for the fact it can only affect one opponent.)

That sounds awesome, actually. Fittingly brutal.
Way better than mine as it is essentially the same as Falcon's.

I've honestly began to feel Black Shadow is a better choice than Goroh because Ganon's moveset was practically made for this guy.

 

[Zynux]

I pretty much come here to argue about smash, it's entertaining, especially with phoenix wright gifts. Too bad we can't use them anymore.

This is actually why I really like Phoenix Wright gif arguments, because of the very memetic nature of the arguments, it never gets super over-heated or full with vitriol. Its kept fun while arguing valid points.

To contribute to the Zelda discussion, keep the Five characters, severely buff/fix Zelda and Link, declone Ganondorf and call it a day. I personally believe we've perfected Zelda representation IMO.

As for Black Shadow moveset, if he must be a clone, it does seem that ganondorf's moveset would fit him.

Though I will admit, I would much prefer Samurai Goroh. I just find him more iconic IMO. But I wouldn't mind Black Shadow.

I actually had an idea for that.

Based on the "Black Shadow's Trap!" cutscene from GX, he would create an energy chain and shoot it forward. Whoever it hits is then binded by the chain and B. Shadow teleports himself and his victim to the racetrack in Falcon's FS.
He summons the Black Bull (or at least one of numerous decoys), telekinetically places the victim in the driver's seat, rigs the machine to explode, and sends it down the track. A few seconds after it races down, the machine explodes, which sends B. Shadow and the victim back to the stage, but the victim is sent flying in a flaming burst. It is an assured KO. (To make up for the fact it can only affect one opponent.)

That's a really good idea!

 

[AEMehr]

I don't see why people want Dead Man's Volley or how it would even function considering you need a special ability to deflect energy based attacks and it would require both players to remain in the same spot and participate and not get bored of a game of stalemate.

I dunno, maybe allow the projectile to be reflected to be reflected by regular attacks? You know, like in the actual Zelda games?

You wouldn't need to stand in the same place either, if it had homing properties.

I don't see what's so much more interesting about another energy based ball. Assuming it functions the same as others (which I do assume) why not just keep the Warlock Punch?

It's only as interesting as you make it. It's the exact same point I was making when we were discussing Chrom and Lucina earlier today.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Yeah, we're all cool most of the time.

Just don't mention Fire Em-*shot*

>.>
<.<
Somebody quick! Get the body!

 

[ppbto]

Well, in regards to Zelda discussion, Just buff Zelda, Link and declone Ganondorf. I don't think we need a new Zelda character.

As for Black Shadow, it will be awesome if he is playable. He is one of my favorite pilots in F-zero GX, but I don't think he is likely at all.

 

[Kenith]

Well, in regards to Zelda discussion, Just buff Zelda, Link and declone Ganondorf. I don't think we need a new Zelda character.

As for Black Shadow, it will be awesome if he is playable. He is one of my favorite pilots in F-zero GX, but I don't think he is likely at all.

I don't think anyone thinks we need one. Want, however? That is a different story.

 

[MasterofMonster]

Black Shadow discussion?

Black Shadow discussion.

Thoughts on the hypothetical that he takes the old Ganon set; should he literally just take the old moves, or should he have his own spin on them?

Excuse my ignorance, but knowing next to nothing about Black Shadow, please tell me, what could he do? All I know is that he looks like a Batman on steroids~ ^^

Also, I must admit that, overall, this Forum is pretty nice. I rarely join forums, but I could tell this one would be nice. Just a shame the Mods are so terrib- *banned*

Kidding. The Mods are almost ok.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

>.>
<.<
Somebody quick! Get the body!

For a minute I thought you said "booty."

...

Spoiler

Nah, I'm not gonna do that.

 

[HatsuneMiku]

Black Shadow is my most wanted villain, but my gut tells me Captain Falcon will be joining the battle alone again this time though.

As for Black Shadow's moveset potential, it'd make sense for him to have Ganondorf's current moveset if they were to declone Ganon.

 

[The Nerd]

Black Shadow is my most wanted villain, but my gut tells me Captain Falcon will be joining the battle alone again this time though.

As for Black Shadow's moveset potential, it'd make sense for him to have Ganondorf's current moveset if they were to declone Ganon.

I still can't really see him using some of the kick moves, as his body is quite top heavy. Other than that I'd be inclined to agree that Black Shadow could be an elegant solution to Falcondorf. I don't think it's one we'll see though, as Nintendo has been determinedly ignoring F-Zero for quite a while now. Perhaps because they don't think they could beat F-Zero GX? It was an amazing game after all.

I don't really like Samurai Goroh, both in his own universe and in the context of Smash. Is there something I'm missing that makes him cool? He seems like a generic Samurai in a series he doesn't belong in for F-Zero, and while Smash lacks a Samurai I would argue there are better options if we wanted to include one, e.g. Takamaru.

 

[HatsuneMiku]

I still can't really see him using some of the kick moves, as his body is quite top heavy. Other than that I'd be inclined to agree that Black Shadow could be an elegant solution to Falcondorf. I don't think it's one we'll see though, as Nintendo has been determinedly ignoring F-Zero for quite a while now. Perhaps because they don't think they could beat F-Zero GX? It was an amazing game after all.

I don't really like Samurai Goroh, both in his own universe and in the context of Smash. Is there something I'm missing that makes him cool? He seems like a generic Samurai in a series he doesn't belong in for F-Zero, and while Smash lacks a Samurai I would argue there are better options if we wanted to include one, a la Takamaru.

The F-Zero franchise is in hiatus because Miyamoto-san says he doesn't know what to do to make F-Zero feel "new" or "innovative". I'd personally be satisfied with a 1080p HD F-Zero game on Wii U, with online play. =]

 

[Substitution]

I just get annoyed when people tell me how a character isn't a complete clone, it just comes off as pretentious. I just said that by clone I meant a character who's moveset is based on another character, I don't mean clone as in completely the same. I also didn't say Luigi got in last minute, I said he was important enough to be added from the beginning.

But you don't need to yell at me.
That comes off as angry and unnecessary.

I don't think anyone thinks we need one. Want, however? That is a different story.

I say Octorok!
So much moveset potential...

 

[Louie G.]

In response to the conversation above, I do think that most people get along well here.
There's a group of "regulars" here that just has great chemistry.
I like to think I'm a part of that.

 

[Cobalsh]

Black Shadow discussion?

Black Shadow discussion.

Thoughts on the hypothetical that he takes the old Ganon set; should he literally just take the old moves, or should he have his own spin on them?

As long as he has this:

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Black Shadow discussion?

Black Shadow discussion.

Thoughts on the hypothetical that he takes the old Ganon set; should he literally just take the old moves, or should he have his own spin on them?

Wolf-fied Black Shadow seems cool.

As for Zelda characters, regardless of how complete it may seem to fans, Sakurai did plan Toon Zelda for Brawl, so there is definitely a plausible chance of there being an additional Zelda newcomer. The question is, will she have made it in?

 

[Substitution]

As for Zelda characters, regardless of how complete it may seem to fans, Sakurai did plan Toon Zelda for Brawl, so there is definitely a plausible chance of there being an additional Zelda newcomer. The question is, will she have made it in?

Depends.
What kept her out?

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Time contraints, I believe. She was low-priority.

 

[Substitution]

Time contraints, I believe. She was low-priority.

But she was considered, correct?
That could mean something. Maybe they wanted her in, but couldn't.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

But she was considered, correct?
That could mean something. Maybe they wanted her in, but couldn't.

Probably. It could be a case where she is once again a low-priority newcomer used as a last-minute semi-clone addition to the roster. Either way, if she is in, she'll be a secret unlockable character whose fate we won't know until the game is released.