Character Discussion Thread

[Schnee117]

Ganon*

We need the proper King of Porkness to be in a 3D appearance other than Nintendoland.

inb4 the villain isn't Ganon in some form.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Ganon*

We need the proper King of Porkness to be in a 3D appearance other than Nintendoland.

and preferably not fused with a dude people mistake for a woman and was a pretty minor character anyway.
Ganon > yuganon

I think everyone agrees with me that the ****ing Fsmash needs to be back to Brawl's Fsmash

definitely. I havent even played any wario land but removing that move that was so iconic to him was completely unnecessary. I dont even know why he would do that.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

inb4 the villain isn't Ganon in some form.

WAIT! LINKLE'S THE VILLAIN!

 

[Deleted member]

I think everyone agrees with me that the ****ing Fsmash needs to be back to Brawl's Fsmash

I don't.
Instead, replace that sliding dash attack with a proper representation of the aptly named "Dash Attack".

 

[El Syd]

Then one has to wonder why the most expected characters for the most part end up as the most popular ones. Look at who the original "big four" were for Smash 4: Ridley, K. Rool, Little Mac, and Mega Man. Pretty much the four most expected characters before all the nonsense really began. Or when people really started to believe Chrom and Shulk would be included due to the leak and their popularity skyrocketed. Or Chorus Kids, who never even had popularity in the first place - and people still don't quite know how they'd work moveset wise. Or Bandana Dee, whose popularity grew with every appearance he made, yet with his potential moveset staying the same. Or Rayman, who was "leaked" without a hint towards his moveset, yet his popularity shot up when people thought he was going to be included.

It's expectation that grows the biggest fanbases, any (well, most) characters can be made to have an interesting potential moveset.

Except characters like Chorus Kids and Shulk weren't all that popular outside of SMashboards and hard-core Smash fans.

 

[Burruni]

WAIT! LINKLE'S THE VILLAIN!

BTW Linkle's gonna be in HW3DS.

Her crossbow has a render in the official art.

 

[ChikoLad]

Spoiler: offensive language?

this will be fun to watch

BTW im oni as in the crazy and pessimistic Viridi and viewtiful Joe guy as apparently people have missed that i changed avi's

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Except characters like Chorus Kids and Shulk weren't all that popular outside of SMashboards and hard-core Smash fans.

Wasn't Shulk Japan's most wanted or something?

I don't.
Instead, replace that sliding dash attack with a proper representation of the aptly named "Dash Attack".

We'd have the shoulder bash, I'm not even a Wario Land but that move being replaced is a ****ing crime

 

[Burruni]

.....Am I the only one confused on what this has to do with Waluigi being a meme?

He's a trickster, a cheat, a damn lanky crook.
And Smash needs more villainy, so don't let him get the hook.

 

[El Syd]

Wasn't Shulk Japan's most wanted or something?

I thought we were talking about the West. Plus, if you're gonna pull numbers from polls, those usually come from Smash fans, Asian or not.

The skewed popular opinion here is hardly an accurate representation of the rest of the fanbase.

 

[A Distant Demon]

BTW Linkle's gonna be in HW3DS.

Her crossbow has a render in the official art.

for anyone who wants proof.

I really hope its true. Link's sister would be a rally cool addition and I want a crossbow moveset too. And maybe being added to mainline games

 

[Deleted member]

We'd have the shoulder bash, I'm not even a Wario Land but that move being replaced is a ****ing crime

I can understand why it may have been replaced as a Forward Smash, with his new one being much more reliable, but I agree that it should have been at least somewhere in his moves, considering it's part of both Wario Land and WarioWare.
Having it as his dash attack just seems perfect, just like DK's rolling attack was perfect as a dash attack and should have been there from the beginning.

 

[Burruni]

I can understand why it may have been replaced as a Forward Smash, with his new one being much more reliable, but I agree that it should have been at least somewhere in his moves, considering it's part of both Wario Land and WarioWare.
Having it as his dash attack just seems perfect, just like DK's rolling attack was perfect as a dash attack and should have been there from the beginning.

Give me Shoulder Bash dash attack, and PM's D-Air + Throws and I'd love Wario even more. Seriously, Wario needs his butt stomp.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

for anyone who wants proof.

I really hope its true. Link's sister would be a rally cool addition and I want a crossbow moveset too. And maybe being added to mainline games

Actually, Linkle isn't Link's sister but is 'little sister-like'
Linkle would actually be a neat addition to the mainseries games, having King Harkinian go "Mah Boi, or Mah Guuuurl?" or something before starting the game

 

[A Distant Demon]

looking it up apparently koei tecmo said
“Linkle (tentative name) was a rejected story character featured in the art book, but it looks like she got a quite lot of attention… maybe we should have included her in the main story…”

there were even signs!

 

[Curious Villager]

I can understand why it may have been replaced as a Forward Smash, with his new one being much more reliable, but I agree that it should have been at least somewhere in his moves, considering it's part of both Wario Land and WarioWare.
Having it as his dash attack just seems perfect, just like DK's rolling attack was perfect as a dash attack and should have been there from the beginning.

I always thought the Shoulder Bash would be the best suited as a dash attack much like DK's roll. I was never really a big fan of the common suggestion to have it replace Wario's Bike as that (in my opinion) has become a pretty iconic part of Wario too nowadays. Plus it's a pretty fun and useful tool to use imo.

 

[ChikoLad]

.....Am I the only one confused on what this has to do with Waluigi being a meme?

He's a trickster, a cheat, a damn lanky crook.
And Smash needs more villainy, so don't let him get the hook.

Because barely anybody genuinely likes Waluigi. The meme is that most people who like him only like him for his stupid voice, and to make fun of the "Waluigi Time!" phrase. Besides that, his entire character is just that he stalks Luigi and is a crook who thinks everyone else is a crook, and his design is literally lanky Wario.

It's incredibly one note and he was only ever created as a partner for Wario in sports games. He's used for shallow, "butt of the joke" humour. And the only ability he can be credited with having is being a good dancer.

Heck, RosalinaxWaluigi has become popular in the Mario fandom on the basis it's just so stupidly ridiculous.

 

[Baskerville]

I would like 's new F-Smash if the move just came out quicker.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Because barely anybody genuinely likes Waluigi.

Which is why lots of people were mad at Nintendo for cutting him in Mario Kart 7. Sorry, but Waluigi's popular for multiple reasons

 

[A Distant Demon]

Because barely anybody genuinely likes Waluigi.

. . .what?
waluigi is extremely popular. easily one of the most popular in spin-offs.

there is a reason he made it as an AT.

 

[JaidynReiman]

for anyone who wants proof.

I really hope its true. Link's sister would be a rally cool addition and I want a crossbow moveset too. And maybe being added to mainline games

If anything, I think they might revisit the idea, but not ACTUALLY make it the original Linkle concept. There's several ways it could work without going with the original, controversial concept.


1.) Its Aryll redesigned. This is a possible idea and my favorite idea.

2.) They redesign the concept a bit and give it to Saria. The outfit is perfect for her (Kokiri and all that), though the crossbow is iffy. Saria would ideally use an Ocarina and attack with nature for her moveset. I like concepts of Saria using the Fairy Bow as well, but a crossbow is more of a stretch. But I've had numerous ideas of similar outfit redesigns for Saria close to that concept that I really like.

At the same time, the Crossbow is iffy on its own moveset-wise; it'd need a lot of things to expand on it. It could work to focus nature-based attacks at a distant location, in which case it'd combine two themes that would fit well together.

3.) The crossbow will just be an extra weapon for another character. Since it didn't accompany a character pick, it could just as easily be this.


Personally, I think these three options are far more likely than them reusing the original concept EXACTLY as it was, because although there was a decent amount of support for it, there's just as many people complaining about it outright because it was originally stated to be a "female Link" idea, and people won't like that.

Giving the concept to an existing established character would probably go down a lot better. Especially since more people want existing established Zelda characters, not new ones.

 

[ChikoLad]

Which is why lots of people were mad at Nintendo for cutting him in Mario Kart 7. Sorry, but Waluigi's popular for multiple reasons

People were mad about that not because he was specifically cut by principle, but because they cut a long standing character at all in favour of ****ing Honey Queen and Metal Mario, which was just completely stupid.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

. . .what?
waluigi is extremely popular. easily one of the most popular in spin-offs.

there is a reason he made it as an AT.

****, I like Waluigi because he looks stupid and is purple

People were not mad about that not because he was specifically cut by principle, but because they cut a long standing character at all in favour of ****ing Honey Queen and Metal Mario, which was just completely stupid.

I've seen quite some people refuse to buy MK7 because Waluigi was removed

 

[Burruni]

Because barely anybody genuinely likes Waluigi. The meme is that most people who like him only like him for his stupid voice, and to make fun of the "Waluigi Time!" phrase. Besides that, his entire character is just that he stalks Luigi and is a crook who thinks everyone else is a crook, and his design is literally lanky Wario.

It's incredibly one note and he was only ever created as a partner for Wario in sports games. He's used for shallow, "butt of the joke" humour. And the only ability he can be credited with having is being a good dancer.

Heck, RosalinaxWaluigi has become popular in the Mario fandom on the basis it's just so stupidly ridiculous.

Nobody likes Waluigi.

That's why people have made entire mods to push him into games.

Like... better Brawl/Project M insertion than Ridley got.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Nobody likes Waluigi.

That's why people have made entire mods to push him into games.

Like... better Brawl/Project M insertion than Ridley got.

Actually, SilentD00m I think it was? He made some animations for the Ridley mod a few months ago to make it look better

 

[ChikoLad]

Nobody likes Waluigi.

That's why people have made entire mods to push him into games.

Like... better Brawl/Project M insertion than Ridley got.

I never said nobody.

He's just not this genuinely beloved character. He's so bad, he's good. That's how he's a meme character.

Waluigi is a "great" character in the same way Silent Night, Deadly Night 2 is a "great" film.

 

[Burruni]

I never said nobody.

He's just not this genuinely beloved character. He's so bad, he's good. That's how he's a meme character.

Waluigi is a "great" character in the same way Silent Night, Deadly Night 2 is a "great" film.

So you can't genuinely love a character for how over-the top they are in some absurd and comical charm.

Everyone call Kamiya & Suda51, the foundations for their success are null & void.

 

[A Distant Demon]

I never said nobody.

He's just not this genuinely beloved character. He's so bad, he's good. That's how he's a meme character.

Waluigi is a "great" character in the same way Silent Night, Deadly Night 2 is a "great" film.

so do you believe captain falcon is a genuinely popular character?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I never said nobody.

He's just not this genuinely beloved character. He's so bad, he's good. That's how he's a meme character.

Waluigi is a "great" character in the same way Silent Night, Deadly Night 2 is a "great" film.

Not a good comparison, people liked Waluigi before memes were a thing

 

[Fatmanonice]

Waluigi is definitely a dark horse as far as Nintendo characters go. He's so unlikable that he's likable, which is essentially his hook. He's awkward and has a strong degree of cartoonish villainy so nobody takes him seriously, which I think is pretty funny. Dedede's a blow hard but at least he's a freakin' king with strength to back it up. Wario's gross and greedy but also super strong and much smarter than people give him credit for. Waluigi is about as successful as an antihero/villain as most of us would be if we tried to be one. His weirdness detracts from his menacing appearance and he's somebody that kind of fails at being evil. It's the same hook that used with Team Rocket and Meowth in the Pokemon cartoon. I'd argue that he's super popular because he feels so out of place in the Mario franchise. Despite being an spinoff character, he's actually someone who's kind of complex because he's someone that has an inferiority complex and yet seems largely oblivious to his own weirdness and faults. In this sense, I feel like he's relatable because we all have those moments where we're clearly going about things the wrong way but are clueless to just how wrong we are and how, all and all, it's primarily our own faults. This is why I think Waluigi will always be extremely popular as long as he keeps showing up. He's like the Donald Duck of the Nintendo Universe.

 

[Deleted member]

Give me Shoulder Bash dash attack, and PM's D-Air + Throws and I'd love Wario even more. Seriously, Wario needs his butt stomp.

Eh. To me, Wario needs it as much as Mario does. I much prefer how his current D-Air works.
(Also not a fan of P:M Wario's throwing system; even if the Forward Throw is based off of Wario Land 4, it just doesn't flow well to me)

Nobody likes Waluigi.
That's why people have made entire mods to push him into games.
Like... better Brawl/Project M insertion than Ridley got.

To be fair, Waluigi's a lot easier to work with than Ridley.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

He's like the Donald Duck of the Nintendo Universe.

As someone who lives in a country where Donald Duck is stupidly popular(his name is in the disney comics, not Mickey) that's actually the best comparison I've seen. Though Donald DOES realise his mistakes sometimes and loves his family. Even if Uncle Scrooge makes him his debt slave forever and ever. Huey Dewie and Louie(?) are a prime example of this in the Dutch comics, Donald adores his nephews and is worried about them when they're missing

 

[ChikoLad]

Not a good comparison, people liked Waluigi before memes were a thing

I think you need to look up what the word means.

Waluigi is definitely a dark horse as far as Nintendo characters go. He's so unlikable that he's likable, which is essentially his hook. He's awkward and has a strong degree of cartoonish villainy so nobody takes him seriously, which I think is pretty funny. Dedede's a blow hard but at least he's a freakin' king with strength to back it up. Wario's gross and greedy but also super strong and much smarter than people give him credit for. Waluigi is about as successful as an antihero/villain as most of us would be if we tried to be one. His weirdness detracts from his menacing appearance and he's somebody that kind of fails at being evil. It's the same hook that used with Team Rocket and Meowth in the Pokemon cartoon. I'd argue that he's super popular because he feels so out of place in the Mario franchise. Despite being an spinoff character, he's actually someone who's kind of complex because he's someone that has an inferiority complex and yet seems largely oblivious to his own weirdness and faults. In this sense, I feel like he's relatable because we all have those moments where we're clearly going about things the wrong way but are clueless to just how wrong we are and how, all and all, it's primarily our own faults. This is why I think Waluigi will always be extremely popular as long as he keeps showing up. He's like the Donald Duck of the Nintendo Universe.

Like I said, he's ironic.

With Wario and Dedede, they have actual compelling characterisation. Dedede is a greedy king but he ultimately does care for his people and even though he butts heads with Kirby a lot, they are friends, and Dedede has developed to be a good guy in the series now. Wario is a greedy, smelly anti-hero, but he has been shown to have a surprising degree of compassion and wits about him, in games like WarioWare and Master of Disguise. Same can be said for Donald Duck, he's actually a very storied character.

Waluigi is just a completely one-note character that people love to see not do well, and his role is the same in every game. He doesn't change or develop or grow over time, he's just there for shallow comic relief.

 

[Burruni]

I think you need to look up what the word means.



Like I said, he's ironic.

With Wario and Dedede, they have actual compelling characterisation. Dedede is a greedy king but he ultimately does care for his people and even though he butts heads with Kirby a lot, they are friends, and Dedede has developed to be a good guy in the series now. Wario is a greedy, smelly anti-hero, but he has been shown to have a surprising degree of compassion and wits about him, in games like WarioWare and Master of Disguise. Same can be said for Donald Duck, he's actually a very storied character.

Waluigi is just a completely one-note character that people love to see not do well, and his role is the same in every game. He doesn't change or develop or grow over time, he's just there for shallow comic relief.

Waluigi's been popular since Mario Tennis 64 & his surprisingly sizable role in Mario Part 3 and has only grown more popular with each main game he's come out in.

Memes as we associate them didn't happen til late 2000s.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I think you need to look up what the word means.



Like I said, he's ironic.

With Wario and Dedede, they have actual compelling characterisation. Dedede is a greedy king but he ultimately does care for his people and even though he butts heads with Kirby a lot, they are friends, and Dedede has developed to be a good guy in the series now. Wario is a greedy, smelly anti-hero, but he has been shown to have a surprising degree of compassion and wits about him, in games like WarioWare and Master of Disguise. Same can be said for Donald Duck, he's actually a very storied character.

Waluigi is just a completely one-note character that people love to see not do well, and his role is the same in every game. He doesn't change or develop or grow over time, he's just there for shallow comic relief.

You said people only like Waluigi because he's 'so bad it's good' and you compared him to a movie where that applies to. People like Waluigi because he's wacky. Hell, he's the only Nintendo character I can think of who does a crotch chop. He wants us to suck his Waluweewee

 

[WeirdChillFever]

As someone who lives in a country where Donald Duck is stupidly popular(his name is in the disney comics, not Mickey) that's actually the best comparison I've seen. Though Donald DOES realise his mistakes sometimes and loves his family. Even if Uncle Scrooge makes him his debt slave forever and ever. Huey Dewie and Louie(?) are a prime example of this in the Dutch comics, Donald adores his nephews and is worried about them when they're missing

Though he doesn't have as much as a short fuse as the old comics.
He's just very unlucky, being stuck between Scrooge's greed, HI IM Daisy's diva tantrums, evil neighbour Boulderbass' (Star Translator I know) and his responsibilities to the kids.

Waluigi and Duck aren't much alike unless you compare them to your partners Wario and Mickey, where they're the dark horse, chaotic versions. (That and the puns can duck you up, I tell WA)

But onto Waluigi, WAAt's so bad for loving a character for being over the top?

 

[Diddy Kong]

Wario's old F Smash had pitiful range. If anything, I'd want the Shoulder Barge as a dash attack, or a Special attack. Never really liked Wario's Neutral B, so they can replace it with that move any time.

Also, give Impa a new weapon style to represent Skyward Sword to go along with her upcoming moveset in Smash. #BalantOverconfidence

 

[ChikoLad]

Waluigi's been popular since Mario Tennis 64 & his surprisingly sizable role in Mario Part 3 and has only grown more popular with each main game he's come out in.

Memes as we associate them didn't happen til late 2000s.

"As we associate them"? What's that supposed to mean?

I'm using the word in it's long term context here, not "internet memes". A "meme" is literally just something that is remembered for ONE specific thing or shallow set of things, and is defined by that. Waluigi is literally the epitome of this. He's a meme character.

Captain Falcon may have a ton of memes associated with him, but if you actually get into F-Zero media, you find more depth to him. This isn't the case with Waluigi. What you see in one game, is what you get in the others.

 

[Burruni]

Just to say.

Japan loves bizzare quirky characters to the point that Tingle got 3 of his own games.

If western audiences have really opened up to him due to influences from like Brawl in the Family and ProtonJon who have up-played his comical though somewhat repetitive appeal... so what?

Doesn't say that people don't genuinely like him.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Though he doesn't have as much as a short fuse as the old comics.
He's just very unlucky, being stuck between Scrooge's greed, HI IM Daisy's diva tantrums, evil neighbour Boulderbass' (Star Translator I know) and his responsibilities to the kids.

Waluigi and Duck aren't much alike unless you compare them to your partners Wario and Mickey, where they're the dark horse, chaotic versions. (That and the puns can duck you up, I tell WA)

But onto Waluigi, WAAt's so bad for loving a character for being over the top?

Damn. You actually did research on the Dutch stuff. It's pretty much the only Donald stuff we get these days.

I still feel like Waluigi needs to show he can stand up on his own a bit, like appearing in a main series game or his own series. Hell, give him a Waluigi World game or something, plenty you could do. Still prefer Nabbit but would certainly not mind Waluigi