Character Discussion Thread

[Arcadenik]

I'm talking about Pac-Man's Amiibo. It hasn't sold very well at all.

Keep in mind that Amiibos usually are always sold out day one unless they are the really common ones. Pac-Man isn't even really common, yet, he's still easy to buy in the US and Japan. Europe straight up got none of him, probably because nobody actually cares about him here.

Mario's amiibo hasn't sold very well. I still see it everywhere. Mario must be unpopular.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

One of the ONLY characters?



Don't even kid yourself.

and especially as well.

 

[kylexv]

2000 pages of Character discussion hype!

 

[ChikoLad]

Mario's amiibo hasn't sold very well. I still see it everywhere. Mario must be unpopular.

Mario's Amiibo sold out on pre-orders in a lot of places before it's release, if not everywhere.

Not nearly the case for Pac-Man. Even more ironic considering Pac-Man came out in a Wave where everyone was really panicky about getting them, which wasn't the case with Mario.

 

[Johnknight1]

Takamaru has the Retro card, plus Sakurai obviously likes him. He doesn't really need popularity, I'd say. And it's not like he's unpopular.

Takamaru is not a stand out popularity-wise (sans small audiences), and he never will be without a new entry in his series.

Fortunately for Takamaru fans, Takamaru is the kind of character that gets in because the developer has a very big picture gameplay direction idea for them, not because of their popularity. That is how most retro characters get into the Smash roster these days.

Based on what Sakurai has stated though, it seems he's more and more willing to put in Takamaru each time. I'm gonna be honest, if Sakurai is back for Smash 6 (since Smash Wii U is technically Smash Bros. Episode V: The Wii Strikes Back), it's hard to see Takamaru skipped over again.

 

[Burruni]

Mario's Amiibo sold out on pre-orders in a lot of places before it's release, if not everywhere.

Not nearly the case for Pac-Man. Even more ironic considering Pac-Man came out in a Wave where everyone was really panicky about getting them, which wasn't the case with Mario.

Once again.

Give some data to support your claims that his Amiibo sold poorly.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Mario's Amiibo sold out on pre-orders in a lot of places before it's release, if not everywhere.

Not nearly the case for Pac-Man. Even more ironic considering Pac-Man came out in a Wave where everyone was really panicky about getting them, which wasn't the case with Mario.

Proof? Sales data is necessary if you're claiming Pac-Man isn't popular. Again, I only checked last week on the Dutch site Marktplaats and there wasn't any Pac-Man amiibo, nor was he in stores.

 

[N3ON]

Well, then to answer your question (if there was a question - can't be bothered to check tbh ). I'd say it more accurately represents the fickle nature of the masses rather than any genuine desire or popularity.

More like, "flavor of the month" if you catch my drift.

People aren't very good at forming their own opinions, and those same people instead cling to whatever's popular because they can.

Wasn't asking a question - was just saying expectation lends itself to popularity more than fleshing out potential movesets.

 

[ChikoLad]

Once again.

Give some data to support your claims that his Amiibo sold poorly.

Data doesn't necessarily exist yet because Nintendo have only given sales figures up to Wave 3, but ask most hardcore Amiibo followers, they'll tell you the same thing. If they were European, he wasn't available to begin with in a lot of countries, if they are from the US, he's is so unpopular he fills shelves, like the Peach figure. Partly due to the fact pre-order stock was put on shelves, because the pre-orders simply didn't happen.

Pac-Man is recognisable, not popular, there is a difference. Hitler is recognisable, doesn't mean he was a very popular figurehead.

 

[Arcanir]

Not nearly the case for Pac-Man. Even more ironic considering Pac-Man came out in a Wave where everyone was really panicky about getting them, which wasn't the case with Mario.

This is a terrible fallacy, there are multiple reasons why Pac-Man could still be found in the stores and areas you're using as examples, him not selling is not the only conclusion. Regardless, again, unless you have sales data, you're just using personal views to guide your conclusion.

 

[Arcadenik]

Mario's Amiibo sold out on pre-orders in a lot of places before it's release, if not everywhere.

Not nearly the case for Pac-Man. Even more ironic considering Pac-Man came out in a Wave where everyone was really panicky about getting them, which wasn't the case with Mario.

Have you considered the possibility that the reason Pac-Man didn't sell as much is because there were other Wave 4 amiibos that people correctly predicted would be rare so they prioritized getting them first before Pac-Man?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Data doesn't necessarily exist yet because Nintendo have only given sales figures up to Wave 3, but ask most hardcore Amiibo followers, they'll tell you the same thing. If they were European, he wasn't available to begin with in a lot of countries, if they are from the US, he's is so unpopular he fills shelves, like the Peach figure.

Except Marktplaats had imports aswell. If you're openly admitting that you don't have a source then you've pretty much already lost. Again, Pac-Man doesn't do much and isn't that popular with the Smash community

 

[A Distant Demon]

Page 2000 hype. Took long enough

And now we are using Miiverse Yeah's as a ranking of popularity/beloved-ness

there isnt a less accurate source in existence. . .

 

[ChikoLad]

Have you considered the possibility that the reason Pac-Man didn't sell as much is because there were other Wave 4 amiibos that people correctly predicted would be rare so they prioritized getting them first before Pac-Man?

Actually, Pac-Man is rarer than Greninja, Jigglypuff, Lucina, and Robin in Europe.

 

[Johnknight1]

This discussion reminds me that I want a Pac-Man Amiibo to complete my "3rd party Amiibo" set since I already own a Sonic and Mega Man Amiibo. :/

In terms of speed, yeah.

I really wish the Smash devs would just get ride of the fake wanna be shoulder bash fSmash and make the real Wario Land shoulder bash (like the one in Project M) his side B or neutral B (Wario's current side B or neutral B can be a customized move), and make the current fSmash the kick. It just looks better, and is more accurate to Wario's actual moveset.

The lack of hard hitting REAL shoulder bash in Wario's offense doesn't feel right. It's really weird for me to see Wario without his top Wario Land gimmick/offensive move. It's like my childhood of playing Wario games never happened. It's like the equivalent of Diddy Kong without his Rocket Barrel jet pack to me.

 

[memoryman3]

The two are mutually exclusive?

I enjoy playing as Waluigi because I find him funny. That's a pretty common opinion.

What do you define as a character people actually want to play? What is your logic here?


He topped Smash polls.

That's just wrong.


You can say this about literally anyone.

Regardless, **** this notion that smash fans have that imply that a series or character isn't worthwhile if they aren't playable characters in Smash.

I hate it.

At least Waluigi has a villainous role, unlike Daisy, who has NOTHING.

When will Nintendo flesh out Daisy's character...

 

[Scamper52596]

I'm only posting this because I want to be on the 2,000th page of this thread.
I've been following it for over a year, and I've had a lot of fun witnessing most while being a part of a few of the debates. Hopefully it'll last for just a bit longer as we think about and consider what kind of DLC Sakurai has planned for us.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Data doesn't necessarily exist yet because Nintendo have only given sales figures up to Wave 3, but ask most hardcore Amiibo followers, they'll tell you the same thing. If they were European, he wasn't available to begin with in a lot of countries, if they are from the US, he's is so unpopular he fills shelves, like the Peach figure. Partly due to the fact pre-order stock was put on shelves, because the pre-orders simply didn't happen.

Pac-Man is recognisable, not popular, there is a difference. Hitler is recognisable, doesn't mean he was a very popular figurehead.

Pac-Man is recognisable, not popular, there is a difference. Hitler is recognisable, doesn't mean he was a very popular figurehead.

Really?! Is this where this debate is going towards?! Hitler analogies?!

 

[N3ON]

I saw a Pac-Man amiibo in the wild last week and freaked out. Didn't get it though.

Pac-Man... meh.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Actually, Pac-Man is rarer than Greninja, Jigglypuff, Lucina, and Robin in Europe.

Lucina is literally the only one of those I saw on Marktplaats, and everyone's been hunting for the Waifu amiibo

 

[Croph]

I remember back in the day before Pac-Man's reveal, people were afraid he'd have his Ghostly Adventures design. And Pac probably got a lot of hate for that. I was one to believe that they wouldn't use any "freaky" design -- I don't think his Ghostly Adventures design would mesh well with Smash 4's art style anyway (unless they'd make some changes to it).

Ah the good ol' days...

This discussion reminds me that I want a Pac-Man Amiibo to complete my "3rd party Amiibo" set since I already own a Sonic and Mega Man Amiibo. :/

That's the main reason I bought a Pac-Man amiibo as soon as I saw one. I hope to collect all 3rd parties and FE characters just cuz.

Plus Pac's pose is adorable, how he's winking and giving a thumbs up. Such a classic pose, but a pretty good motivator as well lol.

 

[ChikoLad]

Page 2000 hype. Took long enough

And now we are using Miiverse Yeah's as a ranking of popularity/beloved-ness

there isnt a less accurate source in existence. . .

>provide statistical data

"there isn't a less accurate source in existence"

>don't provide statistical data because it doesn't exist yet, but common experience of many proves the point

"INVALID WITHOUT PROVIDING DATA"

And people wonder why the Smash speculation community is considered cancerous.

I had a good visit guys, but it seems like all of the straw graspers are rolling in...

 

[Johnknight1]

And now we are using Miiverse Yeah's as a ranking of popularity/beloved-ness

there isnt a less accurate source in existence. . .

This thing called "Metacritic ratings" exists (sadly) that is much worse...

 

[BluePikmin11]

It's page 2000, time to lock the thread. :9

 

[Cutie Gwen]

>provide statistical data

"there isn't a less accurate source in existence"

>don't provide statistical data because it doesn't exist yet, but common experience of many proves the point

"INVALID WITHOUT PROVIDING DATA"

And people wonder why the Smash speculation community is considered cancerous.

I had a good visit guys, but it seems like all of the straw graspers are rolling in...

Uh...According to Miiverse, Hatsune Miku is a third party character not owned by anyone and the most requested character. According to Miiverse, Ridley's too beige, as in the colour. According to Miiverse, Kirito is very popular. Miiverse is a mess, that's why you shouldn't use it. Not to mention, unless you were in ALL the shops in the world, you can't say Pac-Man isn't selling well based on 'common experience'

 

[A Distant Demon]

>provide statistical data

"there isn't a less accurate source in existence"

>don't provide statistical data because it doesn't exist yet, but common experience of many proves the point

"INVALID WITHOUT PROVIDING DATA"

And people wonder why the Smash speculation community is considered cancerous.

I had a good visit guys, but it seems like all of the straw graspers are rolling in...

I can use VGchartz to prove a point but it wouldnt be accurate. Just because you have A source doesnt mean you have backed it up with sufficient data.


You have spent all of your time here bashing waluigi and pac man and call us cancerous? okay. But again it's still not true.

 

[Arcadenik]

Data doesn't necessarily exist yet because Nintendo have only given sales figures up to Wave 3, but ask most hardcore Amiibo followers, they'll tell you the same thing. If they were European, he wasn't available to begin with in a lot of countries, if they are from the US, he's is so unpopular he fills shelves, like the Peach figure. Partly due to the fact pre-order stock was put on shelves, because the pre-orders simply didn't happen.

Pac-Man is recognisable, not popular, there is a difference. Hitler is recognisable, doesn't mean he was a very popular figurehead.

Wow! Way to apply the Godwin's Law to amiibos!

At least Waluigi has a villainous role, unlike Daisy, who has NOTHING.

When will Nintendo flesh out Daisy's character...

When Nintendo decides to bring back Sarasaland. Daisy has been in the Mushroom Kingdom too long she lost her tan.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Am I the only one who noticed the fact that Pac-Man was compared to Hitler, of all people?

 

[Johnknight1]

At least Waluigi has a villainous role, unlike Daisy, who has NOTHING.

When will Nintendo flesh out Daisy's character...

Very few of the non-RPG non main characters in the Mario franchise have even remotely fleshed out characters, especially non-main game characters like Daisy and Waluigi.

 

[ChikoLad]

This thing called "Metacritic ratings" exists (sadly) that is much worse...

Difference there is that games shouldn't be judged by a number, as it's arbitrary.

However, if a post has 21,000 "Yeahs" on Miiverse, and the post is revealing a character, then that's 21,000 people who are pleased by the reveal of that character.

Am I the only one who noticed the fact that Pac-Man was compared to Hitler, of all people?

It was an analogy man, get over it. It clearly got my point across if you are reacting the way you are.

 

[A10theHero]

>don't provide statistical data because it doesn't exist yet, but common experience of many proves the point

No. Just no. Anecdotal evidence is terrible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence#Faulty_logic

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Am I the only one who noticed the fact that Pac-Man was compared to Hitler, of all people?

He was a gaming revolution, and in the Netherlands, Hitler helped with industrial revolution. That's honestly just it.

 

[ChikoLad]

I can use VGchartz to prove a point but it wouldnt be accurate. Just because you have A source doesnt mean you have backed it up with sufficient data.


You have spent all of your time here bashing waluigi and pac man and call us cancerous? okay. But again it's still not true.

Then explain why my statistical evidence is invalid then.

Also I'm not bashing Waluigi or Pac-Man. I actually really like Pac-Man. Why do you always assume I hate things just because I am revealing unpleasant facts? I love Sonic, doesn't mean I'll deny he's had some **** games.

 

[Burruni]

Difference there is that games shouldn't be judged by a number, as it's arbitrary.

However, if a post has 21,000 "Yeahs" on Miiverse, and the post is revealing a character, then that's 21,000 people who are pleased by the reveal of that character.

Which just says that Rosalina is the most pleasing Smash newcomer on Miiverse, with whatever level of reliability that has.

That still doesn't say that Pac-Man is UNpopular.

I can say that Oranges are a great source for Vitamin C to make sure you don't get sick. Doesn't mean that Apples don't have strong health benefits.

And yes, I'm saying you're comparing Apples & Oranges.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Then explain why my statistical evidence is invalid then.

because it isnt a reliable source.
and doesnt mean that pac man is unpopular.
beacuse guess what? he is extremely beloved in and outside the smash fanbase

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Difference there is that games shouldn't be judged by a number, as it's arbitrary.

However, if a post has 21,000 "Yeahs" on Miiverse, and the post is revealing a character, then that's 21,000 people who are pleased by the reveal of that character.



It was an analogy man, get over it. It clearly got my point across if you are reacting the way you are.

Rule #1 of debates: First person to pull a Hitler card loses, analogy or not

 

[Johnknight1]

Difference there is that games shouldn't be judged by a number, as it's arbitrary.

Numbers vary by source true (to IGN 7/10 is average, to Game Stop 5/10 is average, to me 1/10 is average [because I rate games on how good they are, not how bad they are, and I don't care about mediocre or sub-par games]), but the problem isn't the scores, it's the people reviewing them, how they get there, their criteria (a game must be easy, a game must look good, a game must fit my neo-political belief system), how they factor in major glitches and bugs (they ignore them assuming everything will be "patched out"), and all the money handling involved.

However, if a post has 21,000 "Yeahs" on Miiverse, and the post is revealing a character, then that's 21,000 people who are pleased by the reveal of that character.

...That's not the same thing, lol.

 

[Schnee117]

Am I the only one who noticed the fact that Pac-Man was compared to Hitler, of all people?

It makes the "Speculation is cancerous" comment all the more ironic.

 

[memoryman3]

Very few of the non-RPG non main characters in the Mario franchise have even remotely fleshed out characters, especially non-main playable game characters like Daisy and Waluigi.

I meant ROLES. The only role Daisy had as main protagonist was that awkward live action Mario movie.

 

[ChikoLad]

Which just says that Rosalina is the most pleasing Smash newcomer on Miiverse, with whatever level of reliability that has.

That still doesn't say that Pac-Man is UNpopular.

I can say that Oranges are a great source for Vitamin C to make sure you don't get sick. Doesn't mean that Apples don't have strong health benefits.

And yes, I'm saying you're comparing Apples & Oranges.

The Rosalina point had nothing to do with Pac-Man. It was a correction on it's own.

And what authority are you that decides Miiverse is invalid? It's one of the only places Nintendo will listen to. Earthbound wouldn't be on the VC right now if it weren't for Miiverse.

because it isnt a reliable source.
and doesnt mean that pac man is unpopular.
beacuse guess what? he is extremely beloved in and outside the smash fanbase

"Your source is unreliable because it's unreliable"

That's what you said.

Please shut up and stop talking to me if you're gonna give me rubbish like that.

It makes the "Speculation is cancerous" comment all the more ironic.

The comparison I was making was that they are both unpopular. They are unpopular for very different reasons, but the principle is the same.

Like holy **** what is so hard to understand about that?