Character Discussion Thread

[True Blue Warrior]

Rule #1 of debates: First person to pull a Hitler card loses, analogy or not

Agreed. At that point, the whole debate just ends up taking a turn for the worse.

 

[Deleted member]

I really wish the Smash devs would just get ride of the fake wanna be shoulder bash fSmash

....they did.
It's now a powerful backfist that has more range and knockback.

The big complaint now is that he doesn't have the Dash Attack at all.
Which can be easily fixed by making the Dash Attack.....his dash attack.

make the current fSmash the kick. It just looks better, and is more accurate to Wario's actual moveset.

.......

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The Rosalina point had nothing to do with Pac-Man. It was a correction on it's own.

And what authority are you that decides Miiverse is invalid? It's one of the only places Nintendo will listen to. Earthbound wouldn't be on the VC right now if it weren't for Miiverse.



"Your source is unreliable because it's unreliable"

That's what you said.

Please shut up and stop talking to me if you're gonna give me rubbish like that.

Miiverse is full of children who think Kirito, Goku, Naruto and other characters from TV shows are possible. This is the second time I've said this. Please shut up and leave the thread if you're ignoring most arguments

 

[ChikoLad]

Miiverse is full of children who think Kirito, Goku, Naruto and other characters from TV shows are possible. This is the second time I've said this. Please shut up and leave the thread if you're ignoring most arguments

And this thread is full of children who think Takamaru, Isabelle, Ridley, and Waluigi have a shot of getting in the game as DLC.

Your point?

 

[Dragoncharystary]

And this thread is full of children who think Takamaru, Isabelle, Ridley, and Waluigi have a shot of getting in the game as DLC.

Your point?

We discuss what would happen IF they ever got in.

 

[ChikoLad]

We discuss what would happen IF they ever got in.

People were literally just arguing with me today, on this very thread because I said they WON'T get in for Smash 4. Don't even try to deny that.

 

[Burruni]

The Rosalina point had nothing to do with Pac-Man. It was a correction on it's own.

And what authority are you that decides Miiverse is invalid? It's one of the only places Nintendo will listen to. Earthbound wouldn't be on the VC right now if it weren't for Miiverse.

Yes. Because it's not like it's one of Nintendo's biggest cult classic games period that fans have complained TIME AND TIME AGAIN whenever their ports were shut down despite it being major enough for & in Smash.

Do you have proof that it's Miiverse that brought it to VC? Especially since it only game to VC in 2013, when the WiiU was just starting to pull up from the garbage start.

And this thread is full of children who think Takamaru, Isabelle, Ridley, and Waluigi have a shot of getting in the game as DLC.

Your point?

Those 4 are Nintendo characters. Which already is infinitely more likely.

And the funny thing is, none of us said Takamaru, Isabelle, or Waluigi would be coming as DLC.

We just said that come Smash 5, they'll ascend from AT to playable.

You were saying that Takamaru and Goroh would be clones of eachother and Waluigi is a meme character who nobody genuinely cares about.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

And this thread is full of children who think Takamaru, Isabelle, Ridley, and Waluigi have a shot of getting in the game as DLC.

Your point?

Except we weren't saying that they had a shot. We were talking about ATs that could be promoted next time, or this time if Sakurai wants to do it. I'm fully willing to admit pretty much every character I want other than King K.Rool and maybe Isaac isn't happening, Shantae, Ridley, BDee, Ray MKIII, etc. I have a question for you. Why is Pac-Man' amiibo so ****ing important to you?

 

[Arcadenik]

Am I the only one who noticed the fact that Pac-Man was compared to Hitler, of all people?

I remember when I was arguing with a detractor here a long time ago and he compared Duck Hunt Dog to Hitler.

Here it is.

It is also not the first time Pac-Man was compared to Hitler... I remember another detractor doing just that before Pac-Man was confirmed.

Here it is.

 

[Schnee117]

The Rosalina point had nothing to do with Pac-Man. It was a correction on it's own.

And what authority are you that decides Miiverse is invalid? It's one of the only places Nintendo will listen to. Earthbound wouldn't be on the VC right now if it weren't for Miiverse.



"Your source is unreliable because it's unreliable"

That's what you said.

Please shut up and stop talking to me if you're gonna give me rubbish like that.




The comparison I was making was that they are both unpopular. They are unpopular for very different reasons, but the principle is the same.

Like holy **** what is so hard to understand about that?

It doesn't matter what the sake of the comparison was.
You DON'T compare Hitler to anyone much less a video game character in a debate.

 

[A10theHero]

And this thread is full of children who think Takamaru, Isabelle, Ridley, and Waluigi have a shot of getting in the game as DLC.

Your point?

These "children" are better than the "children" on Miiverse since they're at least picking actual video game characters. These kids are smart enough to understand what the directions on the ballot say. And it's only a fanbase rule that characters in the game fulfilling other roles cannot be DLC characters. This point was never clearly addressed by Nintendo. So there's still a chance that they could get in--we cannot deny the possibility, unlike with anime/manga characters like Goku, Naruto, etc. who have no chance whatsoever.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Please shut up

no reason to be a **** mate.

And this thread is full of children who think Takamaru, Isabelle, Ridley, and Waluigi have a shot of getting in the game as DLC.

Your point?

no one said that. we said for smash 5.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I remember when I was arguing with a detractor here a long time ago and he compared Duck Hunt Dog to Hitler.

Here it is.

It is also not the first time Pac-Man was compared to Hitler... I remember another detractor doing just that before Pac-Man was confirmed.

Here it is.

Well, that confirms that Pac-Man's amiibo will suddenly sell millions because it was compared to Hitler. ****, I'm tempted into getting one just to call it Hitler using a capital i as the L

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I remember when I was arguing with a detractor here a long time ago and he compared Duck Hunt Dog to Hitler.

Here it is.

It is also not the first time Pac-Man was compared to Hitler... I remember another detractor doing just that before Pac-Man was confirmed.

Here it is.

Oh yeah, now I remember the latter happening. Man, those analogies were really embarassing.

 

[Johnknight1]

Rule #1 of debates: First person to pull a Hitler card loses, analogy or not

Rule #2 of debates: If the person responding to the person sympathizes with Hitler, rule 1 doesn't apply, and they in fact lost.

I call this the "Mew2King Incident #121,438,892,234" Rule.

 

[ChikoLad]

Yes. Because it's not like it's one of Nintendo's biggest cult classic games period that fans have complained TIME AND TIME AGAIN whenever their ports were shut down despite it being major enough for & in Smash.

Do you have proof that it's Miiverse that brought it to VC? Especially since it only game to VC in 2013, when the WiiU was just starting to pull up from the garbage start.




Those 4 are Nintendo characters. Which already is infinitely more likely.

And the funny thing is, none of us said Takamaru, Isabelle, or Waluigi would be coming as DLC.

We just said that come Smash 5, they'll ascend from AT to playable.

You were saying that Takamaru and Goroh would be clones of eachother and Waluigi is a meme character who nobody genuinely cares about.

When Earthbound was released on the Japanese VC, Nintendo initially said there was no Western release planned (keep in mind it's not a thing that takes time for them, it's not like they didn't have plans due to time and money constraints, they straight up thought nobody wanted it). However, Western fans swarmed the Japanese Miiverse for the game as soon as it came out.

http://kotaku.com/5980544/mistreated-mother-fans-swarm-miiverse-to-beg-for-earthbound

It was promptly released in the West after this happened.

And yeah some of you actually did say they would get in as DLC. There was an entire discussion on the premise of characters being added even when they are ATs. That's a discussion that shouldn't even had to be had, the answer is obvious.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

When Earthbound was released on the Japanese VC, Nintendo initially said there was no Western release planned (keep in mind it's not a thing that takes time for them, it's not like they didn't have plans due to time and money constraints, they straight up thought nobody wanted it). However, Western fans swarmed the Japanese Miiverse for the game as soon as it came out.

http://kotaku.com/5980544/mistreated-mother-fans-swarm-miiverse-to-beg-for-earthbound

And yeah some of you actually did say they would get in as DLC. There was an entire discussion on the premise of characters being added even when they are ATs. That's a discussion that shouldn't even had to be had, the answer is obvious.

Kotaku is full of **** most of the time and you damn well know it
I'd like to remind you this all started because you said Waluigi wouldn't be a popular newcomer despite being the most requested Mario character so far

 

[Burruni]

When Earthbound was released on the Japanese VC, Nintendo initially said there was no Western release planned (keep in mind it's not a thing that takes time for them, it's not like they didn't have plans due to time and money constraints, they straight up thought nobody wanted it). However, Western fans swarmed the Japanese Miiverse for the game as soon as it came out.

http://kotaku.com/5980544/mistreated-mother-fans-swarm-miiverse-to-beg-for-earthbound

And yeah some of you actually did say they would get in as DLC. There was an entire discussion on the premise of characters being added even when they are ATs. That's a discussion that shouldn't even had to be had, the answer is obvious.

People have been swarming Nintendo for Earthbound to be rereleased since before the WiiU, there's correlation to the Miiverse swarm but no causation.

None of the discussion of promoted ATs AS DLC was today, when you came in to bash characters.

 

[ChikoLad]

You guys are literally just saying "I don't like your sources so it isn't valid".

Stop.

People have been swarming Nintendo for Earthbound to be rereleased since before the WiiU, there's correlation to the Miiverse swarm but no causation.

None of the discussion of promoted ATs AS DLC was today, when you came in to bash characters.

>Before Miiverse swarm:
"We have no plans to release it in the West"

>Right after Miiverse swarm:
It comes out in the West.

"No causation".

 

[A10theHero]

You guys are literally just saying "I don't like your sources so it isn't valid".

Stop.

>Logical Fallacy #2: Reductive Fallacy
"This logical error is committed when someone tries to 'reduce' something complex to something very simple"

The reason we "don't like your sources" is because they're not credible. Anything on the Internet can be a source, but they're not necessarily good sources.

When Earthbound was released on the Japanese VC, Nintendo initially said there was no Western release planned (keep in mind it's not a thing that takes time for them, it's not like they didn't have plans due to time and money constraints, they straight up thought nobody wanted it). However, Western fans swarmed the Japanese Miiverse for the game as soon as it came out.

http://kotaku.com/5980544/mistreated-mother-fans-swarm-miiverse-to-beg-for-earthbound

And yeah some of you actually did say they would get in as DLC. There was an entire discussion on the premise of characters being added even when they are ATs. That's a discussion that shouldn't even had to be had, the answer is obvious.

What you said implied that this outcry is the reason why Earthbound is on the virtual console. If Miiverse had much say in anything, then this would've done something. Moreover, Nintendo never said that Miiverse was the reason they changed their mind. In fact, I don't remember if they ever said why they changed their minds--for that reason, we can only speculate what happened. Nothing is official unless the Big N tells us.

 

[ChikoLad]

It doesn't matter what the sake of the comparison was.
You DON'T compare Hitler to anyone much less a video game character in a debate.

Why not? Because you can't handle talking about him?

-----

Also I didn't bash any characters, please stop shoving that lie down my throat.

 

[Johnknight1]

People have been swarming Nintendo for Earthbound to be rereleased since before the WiiU, there's correlation to the Miiverse swarm but no causation.

None of the discussion of promoted ATs AS DLC was today, when you came in to bash characters.

People have been clamoring for EarthBound since forever. After those cartridges of EarthBound on the SNES became rare, people begged for more, but Nintendo wouldn't print any to promote the N64 (which is the opposite logic that Sony used for their PlayStation consoles, which Sony's system actually did lead to more newer generation console sales ironically. This is the same kind of backwards mentality that lead to Star Fox 2's cancellation).

Literally the demand for more readily available copies of EarthBound had been there for roughly 18 years in the Western world.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

So I pop on this thread, make a joke, and leave. What do I come back to? Arguments about Miiverse, PAC-Man amiibo, and comparisons to Hitler.

Why not? Because you can't handle talking about him?

(facepalms)

 

[Burruni]

You guys are literally just saying "I don't like your sources so it isn't valid".

Stop.



>Before Miiverse swarm:
"We have no plans to release it in the West"

>Right after Miiverse swarm:
It comes out in the West.

"No causation".

Kotaku is a internet-wide infamous site for it's unreliability for news.

Once again, CORRELATION. Because the demand has been a staple for over a decade, EVENTUALLY it would work out. Unless Nintendo says the miiverse swarm made them change their minds, you can not prove it's more than correlation.

Xenoblade localization is CAUSATION.

And let's not forget when they had GBA ports of Mother 1 made but pulled even though they were finished.

Nintendo's been fickle about Mother localization period.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

You guys are literally just saying "I don't like your sources so it isn't valid".

Stop.



>Before Miiverse swarm:
"We have no plans to release it in the West"

>Right after Miiverse swarm:
It comes out in the West.

"No causation".

Before Miiverse : I said "Chrom won't be playable"
After Miiverse: We all know that story. Kotaku whined about Fire Emblem having Permadeath and claimed gamers where dead and is known for clickbait. Care to remind us when we outright called you a child and insulted you instead of the other way arond?

 

[Schnee117]

Why not? Because you can't handle talking about him?

I'm studying him in A Level History at the moment.
However throwing out stupid comparisons like Hitler, a mass murdering, dictator with extreme views with Pac-Man, a video game character with little ties to a real-life person is pushing it.
No need for personal attacks either.

 

[ChikoLad]

Kotaku is a internet-wide infamous site for it's unreliability for news.

Once again, CORRELATION. Because the demand has been a staple for over a decade, EVENTUALLY it would work out.

Xenoblade localization is CAUSATION.

And let's not forget when they had GBA ports of Mother 1 made but pulled even though they were finished.

Nintendo's been fickle about Mother localization period.

Doesn't mean they've never made an accurate article, and there have been plenty of other news sites that reported. What, pray tell, is a reliable source to the monarchs of this thread?

And I'm sorry but the Xenoblade localisation is literally the exact same scenario as the Earthbound one.

I'm studying him in A Level History at the moment.
However throwing out stupid comparisons like Hitler, a mass murdering, dictator with extreme views with Pac-Man, a video game character with little ties to a real-life person is pushing it.
No need for personal attacks either.

Not when the principle I was comparing them on is there.

Also you're a hypocrite, you attacked me first.

 

[A10theHero]

What, pray tell, is a reliable source to the monarchs of this thread

This is sad.

 

[False Sense]

And this thread is full of children who think Takamaru, Isabelle, Ridley, and Waluigi have a shot of getting in the game as DLC.

Your point?

Resorting to directly insulting your opponent in a debate is a highly unprofessional and childish tactic. It's very hard to take you seriously if you can't handle a debate in a mature way.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Doesn't mean they've never made an accurate article, and there have been plenty of other news sites that reported. What, pray tell, is a reliable source to the monarchs of this thread?

And I'm sorry but the Xenoblade localisation is literally the exact same scenario as the Earthbound one.



Not when the principle I was comparing them on is there.

Also you're a hypocrite, you attacked me first.

Xenoblade had a European localization regardless, and how Project Rainfall wasn't on Miiverse. May I remind you Europe never had Earthbound before VC? Also, again, only reason people are fighting now is because you said Waluigi wouldn't be popular because Pac-Man's amiibo isn't at a low quantity. For all we know it's like Link, super popular and still in stock

 

[ChikoLad]

This is sad.

I agree.

People keep strawmanning my points without saying why the sources are unreliable.

I know that's not what you meant but it's the actual truth.

Resorting to directly insulting your opponent in a debate is a highly unprofessional and childish tactic. It's very hard to take you seriously if you can't handle a debate in a mature way.

I always make sure to play on equal footing to the opposition.

That's all I'm doing m8head.

 

[Burruni]

Doesn't mean they've never made an accurate article, and there have been plenty of other news sites that reported. What, pray tell, is a reliable source to the monarchs of this thread?

And I'm sorry but the Xenoblade localisation is literally the exact same scenario as the Earthbound one.



Not when the principle I was comparing them on is there.

Also you're a hypocrite, you attacked me first.

You fired the first blow by saying that Waluigi was a stupid or otherwise illogical choice of a newcomer.

But they are VERY VERY similar, except for two differences.

The official handling of it by Operation Rainfall for the three games, and Nintendo aknowleging the fan demand that pushed the localization, instead of the joke Mother 3 has become.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Well a mod is here so I assume this argument is about to end. . .
quickly

EDIT and the mod has left. never mind then.

It still stands that with personal insults being thrown its time for all parties to stop typing before it gets worse and infractions start getting thrown.

 

[A10theHero]

I agree.

People keep strawmanning my points without saying why the sources are unreliable.

I know that's not what you meant but it's the actual truth.

Can you list all the sources you gave?

 

[ChikoLad]

You fired the first blow by saying that Waluigi was a stupid or otherwise illogical choice of a newcomer.

I didn't say that, stop putting words in my mouth.

Can you list all the sources you gave?

What kind of question is that? You've been following the thread, I've seen your name at the bottom, logged into the thread, so you know what went down here.

The problem here isn't the sources, the problem is that people clearly can't accept it when I give them a source that proves something. They come up with unrelated reasons to say they aren't valid.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I didn't say that, stop putting words in my mouth.

Look back about...max 5 pages. You might have either forgotten or didn't word it correctly, but you said Waluigi wouldn't be a popular newcomer

 

[Schnee117]

Doesn't mean they've never made an accurate article, and there have been plenty of other news sites that reported. What, pray tell, is a reliable source to the monarchs of this thread?

And I'm sorry but the Xenoblade localisation is literally the exact same scenario as the Earthbound one.



Not when the principle I was comparing them on is there.

Also you're a hypocrite, you attacked me first.

By saying your comment was ironic?
I'm pointing out the truth there.
The principle doesn't make a difference. Hitler is associated with the mass murder of 6 million Jews and plenty more races during the Holocaust. Comparing him to a video game character not named Porky Minch was inevitably going to get you backlash,

 

[Burruni]

I didn't say that, stop putting words in my mouth.



What kind of question is that? You've been following the thread, I've seen your name at the bottom, logged into the thread, so you know what went down here.

The problem here isn't the sources, the problem is that people clearly can't accept it when I give them a source that proves something. They come up with unrelated reasons to say they aren't valid.

You said that Waluigi shouldn't be in smash because he's just a meme character who nobody genuinely cares for nor would care about him getting into smash.

Sorry that I paraphrased it.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

By saying your comment was ironic?
I'm pointing out the truth there.
The principle doesn't make a difference. Hitler is associated with the mass murder of 6 million Jews and plenty more races during the Holocaust. Comparing him to a video game character not named Porky Minch was inevitably going to get you backlash,

I thought Porky was more like Stalin

 

[ChikoLad]

Look back about...max 5 pages. You might have either forgotten or didn't word it correctly, but you said Waluigi wouldn't be a popular newcomer

That's not synonymous with "stupid and illogical".

I only said ye were overrating his impact and misinterpreting the reason people like him. And then I gave my opinion that he likely won't show up. That's all.

By saying your comment was ironic?
I'm pointing out the truth there.
The principle doesn't make a difference. Hitler is associated with the mass murder of 6 million Jews and plenty more races during the Holocaust. Comparing him to a video game character not named Porky Minch was inevitably going to get you backlash,

If the others are immature children, I guess so.

Guess I learned something new about everyone here today. :L

You said that Waluigi shouldn't be in smash because he's just a meme character who nobody genuinely cares for nor would care about him getting into smash.

Sorry that I paraphrased it.

Calling him a meme character wasn't an insult, I was just stating what he was by dictionary/trope definition.