Character Discussion Thread

[Burruni]

Takamaru and Goroh as about as alike as and . They're moustachioed plumbers, and Taka & Goroh share a Samurai motif.

Takamaru can draw a lot from Japanese folklore, would be more graceful fighter (ala ) and has a projectile, and would be a middleweight.
Goroh is reckless (just look at his assist trophy), would have more improvised moves (ala ) and would be a heavyweight.

I want Goroh to have a move where he just tosses a Pizza.

If anyone even gets the reference god bless you.

 

[Deleted member]

Goroh is reckless (just look at his assist trophy), would have more improvised moves (ala ) and would be a heavyweight.

Don't forget he'd be part sumo.
(This actually has some precedence in the F-Zero series; in GX, after you select the Machine Settings after picking the Fire Stingray, you see Goroh perform similar actions to sumo stomps, and when Goroh gives his autograph in the post-cup interviews, his signature is his hand, which is how a high-ranking sumo signs an autograph)

 

[Croph]

I'm trying to remember; was Chrono one who argued against the two being clones when others were saying they'd be clones, or was he arguing they would?

I think he was arguing they would...? I remember someone bringing up the idea that Takamaru would make more sense as a Link clone lol (it's kinda true though).

But like and are both ninja-like, and they're clones of each other, amirite?

 

[ChikoLad]

Takamaru and Goroh as about as alike as and . They're moustachioed plumbers, and Taka & Goroh share a Samurai motif.

Takamaru can draw a lot from Japanese folklore, would be more graceful fighter (ala ) and has a projectile, and would be a middleweight.
Goroh is reckless (just look at his assist trophy), would have more improvised moves (ala ) and would be a heavyweight.

Neither of those scream unique to me though. As I said, 6 other characters easily cover a similar role to Takamaru already, from what you are presenting.

Goroh could be really cool as he could use some sci-fi tech though. That's what I would do with him. He did this in the anime, mixed his samurai skills with the odd bit of technological help.

 

[TylerBlackRunIt]

I made this in photoshop...

What If Chibi-Robo Was Announced For SSB4? [Fan-Made Trailer]

Chibi-Robo have my full support...

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Platinum's new game will be revealed on the 15th, and Kamiya talked about a 102 trailer

 

[BluePikmin11]

Did he? Link please.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Did he? Link please.

His twitter

 

[BluePikmin11]

Is it just the tease? Too vague to say anything?

 

[Schnee117]

Did he? Link please.

Young, Toon or Adult?

 

[FalKoopa]

Neither of those scream unique to me though. As I said, 6 other characters easily cover a similar role to Takamaru already, from what you are presenting.

Goroh could be really cool as he could use some sci-fi tech though. That's what I would do with him. He did this in the anime, mixed his samurai skills with the odd bit of technological help.

I was just putting out some basics, really. Sakurai can fill the blanks much better than I can.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Is it just the tease? Too vague to say anything?

He said that a 15 second trailer of 102 would be as exciting as the first 30 minutes of Zelda U

 

[---]

Sorry for breaking up your response.

My point though is that there's no point making characters playable when they A) don't have enough of an identity to really get an interesting, personalised moveset from,

That's pretty much how people felt about Little Mac and Pac Man. Only Punches? Lame. Butt Stomps and Biting? We already have Wario for that. etc.

or B) are defined as a character who absolutely would not fight (e.g Isabelle).

Villager (albeit Sakurai changed his mind) and Wii Fit Trainer.

Except for what is below, both of the above examples you gave have broken fan expectations/predictions at some point or another. Granted it is ultimately you're opinion, which I do respect, but saying Takamaru shouldn't be in because they're not interesting or not unique "universally" doesn't hold up as an argument or at least in the objective way you presented it.

Captain Falcon and Fox may not have performed the exact moves they use in Smash before Smash, but the aspects of their characters the moves come from are obvious to any fan of the character. And the whole point of adding characters to Smash to begin with is to please fans of those popular and beloved characters and their games.

I completely agree, pretty much the only recurring condition is to keep the character themselves intact. Ex. This is why we're not getting Ridley any time soon. Though I'd argue Falcon and his gun pushes that a bit.

I was just putting out some basics, really. Sakurai can fill the blanks much better than I can.

Filling in the blanks is a good way to put things.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Platinum's new game will be revealed on the 15th, and Kamiya talked about a 102 trailer

Its being announced on the 15th? Well, then its not a Nintendo title. That kinda doesn't make a lot of sense, though, if IGN is doing a gameplay reveal on the 16th. That's why most thought it would be a Nintendo title.


The 102 tease was only a troll comment. I don't buy that he's doing 102 right now. It was a joke, nothing more.

He said that a 15 second trailer of 102 would be as exciting as the first 30 minutes of Zelda U

Ok, if he repeated the comment... yeah, I think its happening. Maybe this time they'll go with the original idea of a version having Nintendo characters?

 

[Starcutter]

Hey I remember you. Where have you Bee-n?

Very odd you, Mega Bidoof, Berserker and Johnknight all decided to come back at the same exact time though.

I feel like there's some smashboards conspiracy none of us are privvy too. Either that or with E3 coming up you've decided to come see what us lower mortals are upto.

I've been here just lurking. I decided to start posting when Tetra in Hyrule Warriors happened.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Its being announced on the 15th? Well, then its not a Nintendo title. That kinda doesn't make a lot of sense, though, if IGN is doing a gameplay reveal on the 16th. That's why most thought it would be a Nintendo title.


The 102 tease was only a troll comment. I don't buy that he's doing 102 right now. It was a joke, nothing more.

Didn't they say it was Nintendo exclusive? And what about Sonic Boom Water?

True, but W102 is hype

 

[ChikoLad]

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That's pretty much how people felt about Little Mac and Pac Man. Only Punches? Lame. Butt Stomps and Biting? We already have Wario for that. etc.

Whether or not people said that about existing characters isn't what matters. Because obviously some people just don't know enough about these characters, and that's why they assume things. Rosalina is pretty much the epitome of that. There are some characters where these claims are valid though. That wasn't the case with Little Mac and Pac-Man.

Villager (albeit Sakurai changed his mind) and Wii Fit Trainer.

These characters are blank slates, so fighting was never out of the question for them, they simply hadn't done it YET. Isabelle isn't. She has a personality and part of it is that she is someone who absolutely would not fight, as it is disorderly, and she loves order. Even the Smash poster for Villager portrays this, as I pointed out earlier.

Didn't they say it was Nintendo exclusive? And what about Sonic Boom Water?

True, but W102 is hype

You mean Sonic Boom: Evaporation.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Didn't they say it was Nintendo exclusive? And what about Sonic Boom Water?

True, but W102 is hype

No one said it was Nintendo exclusive. Unless more info came out since them. It was speculated it was because the info was coming out AFTER the Digital Event.

 

[N3ON]

In my opinion, if you're trying to get people to support a character they either never knew or never cared for about by using popularity, or representation and such as a reason, that probably won't sway a lot of people. Interesting gameplay concepts for said characters can do a lot, since it brings out a lot of the creative flair those characters have in their games.

Then one has to wonder why the most expected characters for the most part end up as the most popular ones. Look at who the original "big four" were for Smash 4: Ridley, K. Rool, Little Mac, and Mega Man. Pretty much the four most expected characters before all the nonsense really began. Or when people really started to believe Chrom and Shulk would be included due to the leak and their popularity skyrocketed. Or Chorus Kids, who never even had popularity in the first place - and people still don't quite know how they'd work moveset wise. Or Bandana Dee, whose popularity grew with every appearance he made, yet with his potential moveset staying the same. Or Rayman, who was "leaked" without a hint towards his moveset, yet his popularity shot up when people thought he was going to be included.

It's expectation that grows the biggest fanbases, any (well, most) characters can be made to have an interesting potential moveset.

 

[Fatmanonice]

On the topic of Villager and WFT, I don't think a lot of people realize how important of additions they were. Both kind of broke the barrier for creative character additions. Given how their movesets, I'd almost describe them as "unintentional fighters." Villager's moveset is primarily common items and its demeanor is largely just mischievous. For example, there's a look of concern on its face when it does its dash attack,usmash, and the axe swing, not to mention the sheer casualness of its grabs, tilts, and aerials. Then there's WFT whose moves are almost all yoga poses and stretches. There's also the fact that the character quite literally treats fights as "warm ups" and exercise routines. I feel this is important because it went in a much different direction than how other "non-fighters" were approached. Game and Watch and ROB were nonfighters who were turned into fighters. Game and Watch was given tools from his various games and ROB was largely turned into a stereotypical fighting robot (). The difference with Villager and WFT is that they didn't break their character. Villager treats fights like a little kid would a game of tag and WFT treats fights like a trip to the gym, which lines up perfectly with the spirit of their respective games. Smash has never really taken this approach to nonfighters before and it opens up the doors for a lot of creative characters in the future. Instead of making nonfighters just simply violent, they were made to be "unintentional fighters", kind of like when a cat or dog bites you when you're playing with it. They didn't mean to hurt you, they're just doing what they do naturally and I feel they brilliantly captured that with those two characters.

 

[---]

Whether or not people said that about existing characters isn't what matters. Because obviously some people just don't know enough about these characters, and that's why they assume things. Rosalina is pretty much the epitome of that. There are some characters where these claims are valid though. That wasn't the case with Little Mac and Pac-Man.

That's sort of hypocritical given your statement about Takamaru/Goroh being clones of each other.

I agree that there are some claims that are valid, but none of them we can know about until after Sakurai has given a statement, to which only Chrom fits that bill, and regardless people still made up their own movesets for him. Whether it came true or not doesn't add support to movesets being a proper basis of argumentative speculation.

These characters are blank slates, so fighting was never out of the question for them, they simply hadn't done it YET. Isabelle isn't. She has a personality and part of it is that she is someone who absolutely would not fight, as it is disorderly, and she loves order. Even the Smash poster for Villager portrays this, as I pointed out earlier.

I agree with your Isabelle example, but that doesn't change that Sakurai gave Villager/Miis, characters who at one point he thought shouldn't fight, movesets.

 

[ChikoLad]

That's sort of hypocritical given your statement about Takamaru/Goroh being clones of each other.

I agree that there are some claims that are valid, but none of them we can know about until after Sakurai has given a statement, to which only Chrom fits that bill, and regardless people still made up their own movesets for him. Whether it came true or not doesn't add support to movesets being a proper basis of argumentative speculation.



I agree with your Isabelle example, but that doesn't change that Sakurai gave Villager/Miis, characters who at one point he thought shouldn't fight, movesets.

Sakurai did give a statement on Takamaru though, did he not?

And Sakurai changed his mind on Villager and Miis, but the difference there was that he was forcing his own self projected view on them in the first place. It wasn't against their character, it was against Sakurai's perception of the characters. It goes without saying that could be changed, though.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Sakurai did give a statement on Takamaru though, did he not?

And Sakurai changed his mind on Villager and Miis, but the difference there was that he was forcing his own self projected view on them in the first place. It wasn't against their character, it was against Sakurai's perception of the characters. It goes without saying that could be changed, though.

Takamaru's reason was lack of western popularity. That can easily change, especially with Murasame's international release

 

[ChikoLad]

Takamaru's reason was lack of western popularity. That can easily change, especially with Murasame's international release

I doubt it will though, as he's still not even a blip on most people's radar.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I doubt it will though, as he's still not even a blip on most people's radar.

If we get a Murasama remake or something, which is unlikely sadly, that's changing

 

[Fatmanonice]

Going off my analysis, I believe Isabelle could work but it would be a matter of Sakurai and his team staying true to her character. She's orderly but kind of clumsy too and I think that has a lot of comedic potential. For example, maybe for a Fsmash, she has a fly swatter and is trying to hit a mosquito off someone but misses the skeeter and hits them right in the... face. There would be a bit of animation afterwards that shows how sorry and embarrassed she is. She could throw out the fishing pole for her grabs and her throws involve her frantically trying to get people off the hook. I also REALLY love the idea of her accidentally dropping leaves, only for them to turn into large pieces of furniture for a devastating attack. All in all, I think she'd be a fun character to work with and I'm kind of hoping they figure out something for her by the next game.

 

[False Sense]

For example, maybe for a Fsmash, she has a fly swatter and is trying to hit a mosquito off someone but misses the skeeter and hits them right in the... face.

I will totally support Isabelle for this.

 

[Burruni]

Going off my analysis, I believe Isabelle could work but it would be a matter of Sakurai and his team staying true to her character. She's orderly but kind of clumsy too and I think that has a lot of comedic potential. For example, maybe for a Fsmash, she has a fly swatter and is trying to hit a mosquito off someone but misses the skeeter and hits them right in the... face. There would be a bit of animation afterwards that shows how sorry and embarrassed she is. She could throw out the fishing pole for her grabs and her throws involve her frantically trying to get people off the hook. I also REALLY love the idea of her accidentally dropping leaves, only for them to turn into large pieces of furniture for a devastating attack. All in all, I think she'd be a fun character to work with and I'm kind of hoping they figure out something for her by the next game.

Smash 5

Isabelle, Waluigi, and Takamaru come from promoted assist trophies.


You all watch.

 

[ChikoLad]

Smash 5

Isabelle, Waluigi, and Takamaru come from promoted assist trophies.


You all watch.

The latter two maybe but Waluigi is doubtful.

He's basically just a meme character.

 

[Schnee117]

The latter two maybe but Waluigi is doubtful.

He's basically just a meme character.

So's Captain Falcon at this point.
And Waluigi is amongst the latter two.

 

[Burruni]

The latter two maybe but Waluigi is doubtful.

He's basically just a meme character.

1) Latter two would be Waluigi and Takamaru by the way they're listed

2) "Meme character" and especially

3) Still one of the most requested Mario characters (alongside Captain Toad & Paper Mario) who Sakurai has aknowledged the massive appeal while Sir Wa holds the sports & spin-offs pool.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

He's basically just a meme character.

It's painful for me to say this, but the only NPC to actually have a meme is Ridley. My god that pisses me off

 

[---]

Sakurai did give a statement on Takamaru though, did he not?

??? Both statements he's given during Post Melee and Post Smash 4 have been about Takamaru being unknown enough to not warrant an inclusion (albeit good enough for AT status), not whether he thought Takamaru didn't have anything to offer moveset wise.

And Sakurai changed his mind on Villager and Miis, but the difference there was that he was forcing his own self projected view on them in the first place. It wasn't against their character, it was against Sakurai's perception of the characters. It goes without saying that could be changed, though.

To be fair, Sakurai's view is the only one that matters as he ultimately decides what goes in. Because of what he said during Brawl, everyone thought Villager was out of the running Pre-Smash 4.

 

[ChikoLad]

So's Captain Falcon at this point.
And Waluigi is amongst the latter two.

Not really, he has an entire anime that builds a character for him. And plenty if long time fans who look up to him like a super hero.

1) Latter two would be Waluigi and Takamaru by the way they're listed

2) "Meme character" and especially

3) Still one of the most requested Mario characters (alongside Captain Toad & Paper Mario) who Sakurai has aknowledged the massive appeal while Sir Wa holds the sports & spin-offs pool.

Those characters except Duck Hunt had these memes made after they arrived, they don't define the entire character.

In every single game he's been in, Waluigi is defined by the fact he stalks Luigi and cheats while blaming everyone else for doing so.

 

[A Distant Demon]

The latter two maybe but Waluigi is doubtful.

He's basically just a meme character.

He's basically just a meme character.

just a meme character.

Spoiler: offensive language?

this will be fun to watch

BTW im oni as in the crazy and pessimistic Viridi and viewtiful Joe guy as apparently people have missed that i changed avi's

 

[Burruni]

Not really, he has an entire anime that builds a character for him. And plenty if long time fans who look up to him like a super hero.

....That came out after he got into Smash and was where his memetic aspects got first used.

Edit:

Spoiler: offensive language?

this will be fun to watch

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[Deleted member]

Smash 5

Isabelle, Waluigi, and Takamaru come from promoted assist trophies.


You all watch.

It would take at least an integration into Wario Land/WarioWare before I'll believe he has a shot again.

 

[Schnee117]

Spoiler: offensive language?

this will be fun to watch

And Censorship breaks the link.
Maybe Ganondorf should use it in Zelda U...

 

[Burruni]

And Censorship breaks the link.
Maybe Ganondorf should use it in Zelda U...

Ganon*

We need the proper King of Porkness to be in a 3D appearance other than Nintendoland.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Wario Land.

I think everyone agrees with me that the ****ing Fsmash needs to be back to Brawl's Fsmash