Character Discussion Thread

[Deleted member]

Not sure what this means except that you ultimately decided to ultimately decided to lower your expectations.

I don't lower my expectations unless there are good reasons to do so. I was one of those people who was confident that we would get 12+ newcomers on the initial roster and in fact, we ended getting more newcomers than I expected (15 fully unique characters and three clones). But I think this is damning.

Notice how both the mobile and the desktop show four empty slots? That lines up with the five Marios which indicates six characters. Whereas we have nothing indicating we will get more than six characters, only speculation. Occam's Razor dictates that we only get six DLC characters total.

 

[Kenith]

I see talk of "predefined roles".
I could get involved, but I think that would go about as well as @BluePikmin11 defending his opinions...
I will say that people saying it's impossible have poor imaginations.

 

[A Distant Demon]

I see talk of "predefined roles".
I could get involved, but I think that would go about as well as @BluePikmin11 defending his opinions...
I will say that people saying it's impossible have poor imaginations.

but if you dont speak up who will?
will you speak for the trees?
jeez this reference is a stretch

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Occam's Razor is that the simplest solution is the most likely one.

It's a flaw concept as many solution as quite complicated;.

Here, Fuzzy is just saying that since there were six Marios, there will be six characters.

Ah.

I guess I'm the only one here who has only sent in one vote.

Nope. One of two, maybe.

but if you dont speak up who will?
will you speak for the trees?
jeez this reference is a stretch

Look! A The Lorax reference. Trevenant confirmed.

 

[BKupa666]

Writing off pre-defined roles entirely isn't wise, but when you have the choice between doing the extra work to keep that character from popping up in their old role and/or revamping it completely or just putting in a brand new character without such shackles and a similar vote count, the latter is the clear choice IMO.

You also have to consider the possibility that, much like Ridley, the Almighty Sakurai has made up his mind on certain characters (Waluigi seems a good example), and ballot votes should be with the intention of changing that, rather than getting that character as DLC.

 

[ChikoLad]

excuse me I did misread one of your posts.
but you did say this


if ridley and viridi are the characters I want then I should be able to vote for them, regardless of whether you think or the community "thinks makes sense" (in your own words)

yet you, after berating me, then proceeded to berate Viridi and Ridley.

1) You'll note that I've also been saying "within reason". Viridi and Ridley are not. I'd love a Gundam character or something in Smash but I'm not going to vote for one as it is TOO far outside of the very clear boundaries we do have.

2) I have not been berating you. Calm yourself. I merely was showing you some logic. I didn't say whether or not to vote for Ridley or Viridi or whatever, I said they are not going to be playable in Smash 4 even if they are voted for. It may effect Smash 5 (or 6, really) if that happens, but be aware it won't effect the current games.

 

[Kenith]

There's nothing keeping Assist Trophies from becoming playable except a lack of faith because they're Assist Trophies.
In a game where there's two Mario's and two Pit's on the roster, and tons of characters have palettes referencing other characters, having a low-poly, 30fps character with one move and no outline would look fine next to a fighter of the same character. They might not choose Takamaru, but if he gets s7pport they'll consider him, and that's what counts.

But because anyone who thinks he still has a shot is laughed at, they stop supporting. And so their support and chances die.
The final kick in the teeth is the fact that their support threads are pre-emptively locked as if anyone who supports them is some delusional child.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I don't lower my expectations unless there are good reasons to do so. I was one of those people who was confident that we would get 12+ newcomers on the initial roster and in fact, we ended getting more newcomers than I expected (15 fully unique characters and three clones).

And then there is me thinking we were done getting characters after either Graninja or Palutena's reveal, and now I think we could get well over 10 DLC characters at minimum. Funny how fast I went from pessimism to optimism.

1) You'll note that I've also been saying "within reason". Viridi and Ridley are not. I'd love a Gundam character or something in Smash but I'm not going to vote for one as it is TOO far outside of the very clear boundaries we do have.

2) I have not been berating you. Calm yourself. I merely was showing you some logic. I didn't say whether or not to vote for Ridley or Viridi or whatever, I said they are not going to be playable in Smash 4 even if they are voted for. It may effect Smash 5 (or 6, really) if that happens, but be aware it won't effect the current games.

So you're saying vote for anyone you want, but voting for characters like Viridi and Ridley is stupid and a waste of a vote?

There's nothing keeping Assist Trophies from becoming playable except a lack of faith because they're Assist Trophies.
In a game where there's two Mario's and two Pit's on the roster, and tons of characters have palettes referencing other characters, having a low-poly, 30fps character with one move and no outline would look fine next to a fighter of the same character. They might not choose Takamaru, but if he gets s7pport they'll consider him, and that's what counts.

But because anyone who thinks he still has a shot is laughed at, they stop supporting. And so their support and chances die.
The final kick in the teeth is the fact that their support threads are pre-emptively locked as if anyone who supports them is some delusional child.

I was thinking that an assist trophy might make it harder for the person to keep track of himself with two of the same character running around, but it would only be as confusing as Pit battling Dark Pit in his white costume, or 8 player smash with everyone being the same character.

 

[memoryman3]

There's nothing keeping Assist Trophies from becoming playable except a lack of faith because they're Assist Trophies.
In a game where there's two Mario's and two Pit's on the roster, and tons of characters have palettes referencing other characters, having a low-poly, 30fps character with one move and no outline would look fine next to a fighter of the same character. They might not choose Takamaru, but if he gets s7pport they'll consider him, and that's what counts.

But because anyone who thinks he still has a shot is laughed at, they stop supporting. And so their support and chances die.
The final kick in the teeth is the fact that their support threads are pre-emptively locked as if anyone who supports them is some delusional child.

In the Wii U version, the AT's are 60fps. Also some AT's like Waluigi are highly detailed.

 

[ChikoLad]

So you're saying vote for anyone you want, but voting for characters like Viridi and Ridley is stupid and a waste of a vote?

No, but be aware they won't make it into Smash 4/5 as DLC fighters. Their role in the game is already well defined. They would have been made playable to begin with rather than being made NPCs, if Sakurai had ideas for them/thought they were feasible.

Votes on these characters may influence Smash 6 (keeping in mind Smash Wii U is technically Smash 5 according to Sakurai), but they won't make it into Wii U/3DS.

 

[Kalimdori]

But did I do that?

And they will NOT add that many.

Yes

However, characters that already have a clear, expansive role in the game/s, are not going to be DLC.

That is a made up, unfounded, and very foolish rule, and I don't know why people keep bringing it up.

I don't lower my expectations unless there are good reasons to do so. I was one of those people who was confident that we would get 12+ newcomers on the initial roster and in fact, we ended getting more newcomers than I expected (15 fully unique characters and three clones). But I think this is damning.

Notice how both the mobile and the desktop show four empty slots? That lines up with the five Marios which indicates six characters. Whereas we have nothing indicating we will get more than six characters, only speculation. Occam's Razor dictates that we only get six DLC characters total.

The mobile version has 5 characters per row. The website has 9. There are 9 rows in the mobile version and 5 on the website.

It's not indicating that we'll only get that many characters, it's basic math. People repeatedly tried to claim that we'd only get 27 characters on the roster, that we'd only get 36 characters, on the same exact grounds, as if it's completely impossible too add another row on the website, and it was just as silly then as it is now.

The 5 Mario's were added into the game, and more could easily be added. Lucas, Roy, and Ryu are 3 of them, Wolf is almost certainly another, and it's perfectly possible that they have one more planned as well. The 5 Mario's could very well be (Probably, actually) pre-ballot characters, seeing as they were added when the ballot had only been around for a few weeks.

 

[StormC]

That is a made up, unfounded, and very foolish rule, and I don't know why people keep bringing it up.

http://www.smashbros.com/wii/en_us/items/assist/assist01.html

What’s an Assist Trophy?!

Well, these are characters who appear to aid the fighter that called them forth. Basically, they’re guest characters separate from Smash’s playable roster!

Assist Trophies allow you to enjoy even more characters who couldn’t quite make it as playable fighters.

 

[JamesDNaux]

The idea behind Assist trophies being "off limits" is geared more towards the fact that, had Sakurai wanted to make them playable, they wouldn't have been assist trophies in the first place. It would be counter intuitive to put them in the game as they are now only to change it later, like building a log cabin in the woods only to later decide you wanted a cliff-side mansion.

 

[ChikoLad]

That is a made up, unfounded, and very foolish rule, and I don't know why people keep bringing it up.

You've made your point, but can you prove it with a logical explanation and examples?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

If we DID get an AT as DLC, it'd probably be Takamaru, popular, especially with hiw he was in SW3, Nintendo Land and a US release

 

[ChikoLad]

If we DID get an AT as DLC, it'd probably be Takamaru, popular, especially with hiw he was in SW3, Nintendo Land and a US release

Samurai Warriors 3 only sold 430,000 copies.

Considering that pretty much all of those sales came from people simply looking for a Warriors game, I don't think it means anything for Takamaru, especially since he blends in so much with the other characters. If I hadn't been told about him, I'd never have known he was a guest character in that game, I'd have thought he was just another member of the actual cast.

In general, calling Takamaru "popular", is definitely stretching it.

 

[StormC]

Also @ ChikoLad if it makes you feel any better, I went into Smash 4 strongly disliking the idea of Pac-Man in Smash, but he became one of my favorite characters to play as and I bought his Amiibo instantly.

People who actively want a character in Smash aren't the only winners with their inclusion.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Samurai Warriors 3 only sold 430,000 copies.

Considering that pretty much all of those sales came from people simply looking for a Warriors game, I don't think it means anything for Takamaru, especially since he blends in so much with the other characters. If I hadn't been told about him, I'd never have known he was a guest character in that game, I'd have thought he was just another member of the actual cast.

In general, calling Takamaru "popular", is definitely stretching it.

He's fairly popular overall, I used SW3 as an example as it got released outside Japan, whereas Sakurai said Takamaru got scrapped due to his lack of western popularity. Murasame is currently outside Japan and Nintendo Land helped out

 

[Kalimdori]

http://www.smashbros.com/wii/en_us/items/assist/assist01.html

The idea behind Assist trophies being "off limits" is geared more towards the fact that, had Sakurai wanted to make them playable, they wouldn't have been assist trophies in the first place. It would be counter intuitive to put them in the game as they are now only to change it later, like building a log cabin in the woods only to later decide you wanted a cliff-side mansion.

InB4thatwasbetweengameswhichmakesitdifferentbecauseittakesSakuraiaminimumofthreeyearstochangehismindbecausereasons

You've made your point, but can you prove it with a logical explanation and examples?

Turning an AT/Pokeball/Boss/whatever into a playable character is much easier then making a character from scratch. You already have existing assets in the game, and it would be stupidly easy to remove said character from whatever role they had previously. (Functionality to do that is even built into the game) Say Bandanna Dee gets into the game, I guarantee he'd be built off of the existing Waddle Dee model in Smash Run, since that model is already rigged and has several animations already done. If Captain Toad made it in, they'd use the existing Toad model as a base and build off that.

Let's say Waluigi gets a decent amounts of votes on the Smash Ballot. Is Sakurai just going to completely ignore that because he's already an assist tropohy, with a fully rigged model and several animations already in the game?

Let's use Takamaru as another example, Sakurai said he didn't make the final roster because he wasn't popular enough worldwide. But say Takamaru does decently well on the ballot, or that a new Takamaru game is made, is he going to make a character off the existing assets he already has, or is he not going too because some people on a forum said there's no way he could?

Say Ridley gets a redesign in the next Metroid that would work in Smash, one that Sakurai thinks could work. Does he ignore a highly requested character that people have wanted for over a decade because of a made up rule?

Really, the only reason it's unlikely too get an AT/Pokeball/Boss/whatever is because people HAVE the false notion that they can't be done. Which is silly, but it will decrease the amount of votes they get on the ballot.

 

[FalKoopa]

Samurai Warriors 3 only sold 430,000 copies.

Considering that pretty much all of those sales came from people simply looking for a Warriors game, I don't think it means anything for Takamaru, especially since he blends in so much with the other characters. If I hadn't been told about him, I'd never have known he was a guest character in that game, I'd have thought he was just another member of the actual cast.

In general, calling Takamaru "popular", is definitely stretching it.

He's certainly well known and important enough for Sakurai to make a statement clarifying why he wasn't a fighter. Take that for what you will.

He's a very strong contender for Smash 5's token retro.

 

[JamesDNaux]

InB4thatwasbetweengameswhichmakesitdifferentbecauseittakesSakuraiaminimumofthreeyearstochangehismindbecausereasons

Yeah, it was in a different game, that's the point entirely, not the fact that he can change his mind. The work for Mac's assist in Brawl was already done, Smash 4 is a blank slate, they make everything from scratch. Mac's assist in Brawl didn't stop him from being playable in Smash 4 because they are two different games entirely. When you work on one project, scrapping your already finished work and starting over is not smart, for a new project, you're automatically going to be starting over anyway.

 

[StormC]

InB4thatwasbetweengameswhichmakesitdifferentbecauseittakesSakuraiaminimumofthreeyearstochangehismindbecausereasons

Gonna throw out a crazy idea: Smash characters are decided much further back in development than items.

Charizard and Mac being added to Brawl and Smash 4 and then not bringing their assists back =/= adding in characters who already have assist roles.

There's no reason it won't happen. It could happen. Sakurai could program Goku into the game if he wanted to. But is it in the remote realm of likeliness? No.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Sakurai said no to Ridley in both the development of Brawl and 4, despite knowing his popularity. It's been almost ten years since Brawl started development. I think his mind is pretty set.

 

[Kenith]

The idea behind Assist trophies being "off limits" is geared more towards the fact that, had Sakurai wanted to make them playable, they wouldn't have been assist trophies in the first place. It would be counter intuitive to put them in the game as they are now only to change it later, like building a log cabin in the woods only to later decide you wanted a cliff-side mansion.

They did not make the game with the intention of adding fighters as DLC in the first place, though. By that logic, we should assume that there won't be any DLC characters at all...oh wait, we did.
You see my point?

 

[ChikoLad]

Also @ ChikoLad if it makes you feel any better, I went into Smash 4 strongly disliking the idea of Pac-Man in Smash, but he became one of my favorite characters to play as and I bought his Amiibo instantly.

People who actively want a character in Smash aren't the only winners with their inclusion.

I'm aware, but at the end of the day, everyone forgot about Pac-Man soon after his reveal, as barely anyone was a genuine, long term fan of the character. And I think bandwagoning characters you don't truly want is more dangerous now, as we have a DIRECT influence now - just vote for who we love, and may the TRUE most popular character win. That way, the character that eventually gets in will have deserved it and get the use and praise they deserve when they get in. This did not happen with Pac-Man all that much, and it was a real shame.

He's fairly popular overall, I used SW3 as an example as it got released outside Japan, whereas Sakurai said Takamaru got scrapped due to his lack of western popularity. Murasame is currently outside Japan and Nintendo Land helped out

Fairly popular in the Smash scene due to bandwagoning =/= "fairly popular overall".

The thing about all of these retro reps so far is that they made an impact in some way back in the day. Our token retro this time was Duck Hunt Duo, because that's an extremely iconic game and it basically kickstarted the shooter genre, and remains one of the best selling shooters of all time. THAT'S impact an popularity.

A few people getting hopeful and scraping the bottom of the barrel because they HAVE to anticipate someone, is not popularity. If people genuinely played Takamaru's games and want him on that basis, that's fine, but he's definitely one of those characters people latched on to for no particular reason, outside of Japan.

InB4thatwasbetweengameswhichmakesitdifferentbecauseittakesSakuraiaminimumofthreeyearstochangehismindbecausereasons



Turning an AT/Pokeball/Boss/whatever into a playable character is much easier then making a character from scratch. You already have existing assets in the game, and it would be stupidly easy to remove said character from whatever role they had previously. (Functionality to do that is even built into the game) Say Bandanna Dee gets into the game, I guarantee he'd be built off of the existing Waddle Dee model in Smash Run, since that model is already rigged and has several animations already done. If Captain Toad made it in, they'd use the existing Toad model as a base and build off that.

Let's say Waluigi gets a decent amounts of votes on the Smash Ballot. Is Sakurai just going to completely ignore that because he's already an assist tropohy, with a fully rigged model and several animations already in the game?

Let's use Takamaru as another example, Sakurai said he didn't make the final roster because he wasn't popular enough worldwide. But say Takamaru does decently well on the ballot, or that a new Takamaru game is made, is he going to make a character off the existing assets he already has, or is he not going too because some people on a forum said there's no way he could?

Say Ridley gets a redesign in the next Metroid that would work in Smash, one that Sakurai thinks could work. Does he ignore a highly requested character that people have wanted for over a decade because of a made up rule?

Really, the only reason it's unlikely too get an AT/Pokeball/Boss/whatever is because people HAVE the false notion that they can't be done. Which is silly, but it will decrease the amount of votes they get on the ballot.

Let me put it this way:

I'm a developer.

I make a game.

I release it.

People hate the player character and love the final boss character.

I can't make a new game and don't plan to, but people are asking me to change the roles of these two characters around through a patch.

Do you honestly think it's worth it for me to go through that effort?

Also, almost all of the AT models are of much lower quality than the fighters. Pretty much none of them have animated hands for example, they have N64 hands:

Compare Waluigi and Luigi's hands here and the difference is obvious. Also note how blank Waluigi's expression is. Pales in comparison to any other Wii U game he's in, which isn't true of fighters, like Luigi.

He's also got significantly less polygons than Luigi all around. And don't even argue with me on that, I have models from the game.

 

[A Distant Demon]

They did not make the game with the intention of adding fighters as DLC in the first place, though.

its actually pretty likely they did plan DLC from the beginning. Hence why they had DLC arrows in the base game and all the code that made the game ready for DLC.

 

[StormC]

just vote for who we love, and may the TRUE most popular character win.

Already done.

 

[Wolfie557]

@ Kalimdori Still didn't state a limit.

 

[JamesDNaux]

They did not make the game with the intention of adding fighters as DLC in the first place, though. By that logic, we should assume that there won't be any DLC characters at all...oh wait, we did.
You see my point?

Building a Lego tower and adding more Legos to it after you finish =/= knocking down your Lego tower and starting over.

Also this:

its actually pretty likely they did plan DLC from the beginning. Hence why they had DLC arrows in the base game and all the code that made the game ready for DLC.

 

[ChikoLad]

Sakurai may not have known who he was gonna make DLC characters or to the extent of DLC content he would make in general during development. But it's foolish to believe he did not plan ahead for it. He expressed interest in the idea early on, giving specfic shoutouts to Fallout 3's DLC model, and Nintendo's two other big titles of the year (Hyrule Warriors and Mario Kart 8) were also built to service ongoing DLC. There was no way Smash wasn't going to follow suit, it's free money, and it makes people happy.

 

[Kenith]

its actually pretty likely they did plan DLC from the beginning. Hence why they had DLC arrows in the base game and all the code that made the game ready for DLC.

If that's the case, Isaac and Excite Bike hype?

Building a Lego tower and adding more Legos to it after you finish =/= knocking down your Lego tower and starting over.

Adding another character to the game anhd not doing anything to the existing Assist Trophy =/= knocking down your Lego tower and starting over? What?

 

[Kalimdori]

Building a Lego tower and adding more Legos to it after you finish =/= knocking down your Lego tower and starting over.

Yes, let's buy and build a new lego set entirely, instead of using the pieces we already have in order to make something better.

There's no reason it won't happen. It could happen. Sakurai could program Goku into the game if he wanted to. But is it in the remote realm of likeliness? No.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Sakurai said no to Ridley in both the development of Brawl and 4, despite knowing his popularity. It's been almost ten years since Brawl started development. I think his mind is pretty set.

A) I only used Ridley as an example, and I don't believe he will happen either. There are other NPC's that I believe can though.

B) You literally say yourself there is no reason it won't happen, but then state that it isn't even remotely likely.

I'm a developer.

I make a game.

I release it.

People hate the player character and love the final boss character.

I can't make a new game and don't plan to, but people are asking me to change the roles of these two characters around through a patch.

Do you honestly think it's worth it for me to go through that effort?

Also, almost all of the AT models are of much lower quality than the fighters. Pretty much none of them have animated hands for example, they have N64 hands:

Compare Waluigi and Luigi's hands here and the difference is obvious. Also note how blank Waluigi's expression is. Pales in comparison to any other Wii U game he's in, which isn't true of fighters, like Luigi.

He's also got significantly less polygons than Luigi all around. And don't even argue with me on that, I have models from the game.

First off, that is a hilariously terrible example.

Secondly, what effort? It would take LESS effort to promote a character then make one from scratch.

And thirdly, I take it you don't know much about modeling. It would be much easier to touch up Waluigi's model then to build a new one for a separate character.

@ Kalimdori Still didn't state a limit.

"They will not add that many" is a limit

 

[StormC]

B) You literally say yourself there is no reason it won't happen, but then state that it isn't even remotely likely.

When I say it "could happen" I mean that it "could" in the same way a meteor "could" fall from the sky and hit me as I'm typi

 

[Wolfie557]

Yes, let's buy and build a new lego set entirely, instead of using the pieces we already have in order to make something better.



A) I only used Ridley as an example, and I don't believe he will happen either. There are other NPC's that I believe can though.

B) You literally say yourself there is no reason it won't happen, but then state that it isn't even remotely likely.


First off, that is a hilariously terrible example.

Secondly, what effort? It would take LESS effort to promote a character then make one from scratch.

And thirdly, I take it you don't know much about modeling. It would be much easier to touch up Waluigi's model then to build a new one for a separate character.


"They will not add that many" is a limit

Don't be so absurd.

 

[Kenith]

When I say it "could happen" I mean that it "could" in the same way a meteor "could" fall from the sky and hit me as I'm typi

Meteors?
Sturm confirmed.

 

[ChikoLad]

Yes, let's buy and build a new lego set entirely, instead of using the pieces we already have in order to make something better.



A) I only used Ridley as an example, and I don't believe he will happen either. There are other NPC's that I believe can though.

B) You literally say yourself there is no reason it won't happen, but then state that it isn't even remotely likely.


First off, that is a hilariously terrible example.

Secondly, what effort? It would take LESS effort to promote a character then make one from scratch.

And thirdly, I take it you don't know much about modeling. It would be much easier to touch up Waluigi's model then to build a new one for a separate character.


"They will not add that many" is a limit

No it wouldn't. If an Assist Trophy was made playable, they would HAVE to make a new model from scratch, to account for size changes (which might be necessary for some characters to rebalance them), the lack of facial animation, they would have to build a new animation rig from scratch to account for all of the new animations the character will have, etc. The workload would be no different to adding a character from scratch. And don't try to defy me on that, because I have worked with 3D models quite a bit myself and games design in general, so I know the processes behind game's development. Examining these models up close and personal in 3D software, it's clear they were made for a specific purpose, and it wasn't playable fighter status. They would require new models. At that point, it's redundant for them to make them playable when they have their role in the game already, and they could be spending time putting MORE characters in the game.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

When I say it "could happen" I mean that it "could" in the same way a meteor "could" fall from the sky and hit me as I'm typi

He didn't finish the sentence...(gasps) MAN DOWN! MAN DOWN!....Oh wait, if a meteor had hit him he wouldn't have been able click post reply... FALSE ALARM!

 

[Burruni]

In SEGA's defense, only the Sonic Boom video games tanked. The show, comics, etc. have done decently well. And they have a different company developing this game, so it's not like they're repeating the exact same mistake again.

The comic got cancelled.
Only the show did well.

And, to weigh in, voting for an AT is not a waste. While the odds are stacked against them coming as Smash 4 DLC, THE BALLOT IS GOING TO HAVE WEIGHT TO THROW IN FOR SMASH 5.

 

[ChikoLad]

The comic got cancelled.
Only the show did well.

And, to weigh in, voting for an AT is not a waste. While the odds are stacked against them coming as Smash 4 DLC, THE BALLOT IS GOING TO HAVE WEIGHT TO THROW IN FOR SMASH 5.

Actually the comics were selling well. It's unknown why the comic was cancelled, though people are predicting redundancy - Archie apparently have the permission to put Sticks into the main Sonic comics now or something, so that pretty much removes the need for the Sonic Boom comics from a creative standpoint.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Let's all be honest, if any AT character were to somehow be playable it would be Waluigi since he currently the most support in the ballot. There's little to no surprise about this is Mario is Nintendo's biggest IP and he at least has a huge following unlike any other Assist Trophy.

No other character that has a similar role can even reach that amount of popularity, not even Takamaru. I heard someone is using the Samurai Warriors argument and it doesn't really work since Americans loathe the games just like how Japanese hate first person shooters. Niche appearance for a niche character and the only real mainstream appearance that should be accounted for is Nintendo Land (which doesn't put a dent on anything the Wii sells). The game is finally international for sure, but even its Miiverse community is as barren as it gets and you get little mention of Smash there. The only turnabout I can see which would really ensue a slot for this character is a new game like the old man said.

Now the real shifty thing is that people are already jumping to conclusions about a new Murasame Castle (*Neogaf strikes back*) being revealed at E3. For starters, there's the whole "slashing under the cherry blossoms" quote on the English Platinum Games Twitter page. If one can pay close attention to the image itself, it could be implying that we're seeing a new Metal Gear Rising 2 since it's a screenshot from that game. Then there's the whole "seeing red" post which is where things get interesting. Yes the game itself involves red (the title screen, ninja enemies, ect), but there's a stronger possibility of it being a new Wonderful 101 game. The main character is red, the game could lead be given another chance to redeem itself, and I can imagine that being hype enough to be shown at E3.

Am I trying to stop anyone from hoping for the PG reveal next week to be a new Murasame Castle game? No, because I myself would be honored if that were to be the case. Fact of the matter is that nobody should be jumping into such conclusions without any form of concrete evidence and Kamiya would be the one doing the teasing if that was the case. One thing I'd recommend is the wait until the reveal itself and try not to assume that your prediction is accurate. If it does turn out to be real and I'm proven wrong, then I would be damned impressed if these people were right from the start.

Now if you excuse me, I have some more chapter writing to continue.

 

[ElPanandero]

No it wouldn't. If an Assist Trophy was made playable, they would HAVE to make a new model from scratch, to account for size changes (which might be necessary for some characters to rebalance them), the lack of facial animation, they would have to build a new animation rig from scratch to account for all of the new animations the character will have, etc. The workload would be no different to adding a character from scratch. And don't try to defy me on that, because I have worked with 3D models quite a bit myself and games design in general, so I know the processes behind game's development. Examining these models up close and personal in 3D software, it's clear they were made for a specific purpose, and it wasn't playable fighter status. They would require new models. At that point, it's redundant for them to make them playable when they have their role in the game already, and they could be spending time putting MORE characters in the game.

I disagree. The models are there and 100% usable, Waluigi would not need that much work, because his model is there. You can modify existing rigs without having to scrap them. and The animations are the same way, the coding is still there, create a hurtbox and your fine. Some would need size mods like you say, but others wouldn't, that seems like an irrelevant statement in a vauge sense.