Character Discussion Thread

[ChikoLad]

I disagree. The models are there and 100% usable, Waluigi would not need that much work, because his model is there. You can modify existing rigs without having to scrap them. and The animations are the same way, the coding is still there, create a hurtbox and your fine. Some would need size mods like you say, but others wouldn't, that seems like an irrelevant statement in a vauge sense.

The models really don't compare to playable fighters though, a few extra subdivisions won't save them, and editing rigs is much more complicated than making new ones altogether.

 

[Kalimdori]

No it wouldn't. If an Assist Trophy was made playable, they would HAVE to make a new model from scratch, to account for size changes (which might be necessary for some characters to rebalance them), the lack of facial animation, they would have to build a new animation rig from scratch to account for all of the new animations the character will have, etc. The workload would be no different to adding a character from scratch. And don't try to defy me on that, because I have worked with 3D models quite a bit myself and games design in general, so I know the processes behind game's development. Examining these models up close and personal in 3D software, it's clear they were made for a specific purpose, and it wasn't playable fighter status. They would require new models.

I "will defy you" (lol) on that, because I work in the games industry and study 3D Modeling in college, and I'm having trouble believing your stories if you apparently don't even know how to touch up a 3D model.

Of course they'd have too edit the existing models, I'm not saying they wouldn't, but in the gaming industry you reuse assets whenever you can, it saves time and effort to do so. Ness was probably used as a base for Lucas, Roy will probably use Marth as a base, etc. The existing AT models are not good enough to be playable, but it would be easier to edit them then too make a new one.

Granted, the effort is negligible compared to the ridiculous amount of time it takes to do everything else too make the character, but it does take less effort

At that point, it's redundant for them to make them playable when they have their role in the game already, and they could be spending time putting MORE characters in the game.

So you think it would be redundant to do this. That's fine, I understand that, it's a perfectly valid opinion, I respect that.

Have you got any sort of proof at all that Sakurai shares your view?

DLC isn't something that's happened before, we do not know what his views and rules are in regards to it, there's no precedence for it.

I wish they'd spend time putting more characters in the game instead of assigning existing ones multiple roles, I'd replace with ANY other Metroid character if that were the case.

 

[ChikoLad]

Have you got any sort of proof at all that Sakurai shares your view?

The rest of your post is just vague fluff.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

The rest of your post is just vague fluff.

I like how he says "Just because you try hard doesn't mean you'll make it into the battle", when Assist Trophies assist you in battle. lol.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I find it funny how when Waluigi was revealed to be an assist trophy in Brawl and Wii U/3DS both times Sakurai specifically mentions that he is NOT playable.

 

[Burruni]

Can we all just take a deep breath

Calm down

And admit this is a friggin amazing trailer work?

 

[ChikoLad]

Can we all just take a deep breath

Calm down

And admit this is a friggin amazing trailer work?

We postin' fun fanmade trailers now?

 

[StormC]

Also RH:

 

[Burruni]

We postin' fun fanmade trailers now?

If only they somehow managed to do this with Dual Destiny graphics.
I legitmately still would prefer Phoenix over Ryu.

 

[ChikoLad]

 

[N3ON]

If we do get W102 I'd be quite surprised considering how poorly the first did. Though they do seem to be hinting towards it with this and that "seeing red" one.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Kamiya retweets a lot of things.

He is also kind of a bit crazy on social media. No kojima, but i wouldnt go around screaming W102 confirmed.

Yet

 

[ChikoLad]

If we do get W102 I'd be quite surprised considering how poorly the first did. Though they do seem to be hinting towards it with this and that "seeing red" one.

 

[StormC]

I could see them floating W102 on the 3DS or something if they didn't feel it warranted another AAA HD game.

 

[ChikoLad]

I could see them floating W102 on the 3DS or something if they didn't feel it warranted another AAA HD game.

A Wii U game would be much easier and cheaper since they already have the engine finished from the first game. Just give it new levels, characters, and some new mechanics added on. A 3DS game would cost more as they would have to rebuild everything from scratch.

 

[Burruni]

I could see them floating W102 on the 3DS or something if they didn't feel it warranted another AAA HD game.

I'd actually really like this.
I hated the inaccuracy of trying to get things like Hammer, Bomb, and Whip drawn out using the right stick without it turning it into something else.

 

[BluePikmin11]

The only AT with a real shot is Isabelle since she's getting highly pushed by Nintendo as of recent, the others don't have a real reason to convert to playable.

 

[Burruni]

The only AT with a real shot is Isabelle since she's getting highly pushed by Nintendo as of recent, the others don't have a real reason to convert to playable.

You've renounced Prince Sable.

"Don't have a real reason to convert to playable."
Popularity + Moveset Potential
I'm biased towards him but Miyamoto be damned Waluigi is almost inarguably the biggest AT for fighter merit.

 

[StormC]

I feel like Sakurai has specifically outed Waluigi the way he has with Ridley. I don't think it'll happen any time soon.

I wonder if Nintendo is mad they shot themselves in the foot with the Isabelle AT, though. Easy DLC money.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

If we do get W102 I'd be quite surprised considering how poorly the first did. Though they do seem to be hinting towards it with this and that "seeing red" one.

That's new to me as I always thought it seemed to sell pretty well. Guess that's what happens when you have a Power Ranger personality lol

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Can we just talk about Chibi-Robo please? 5 games, a re-release of the original game, fairly consistent game releases, and an amiibo? Not to mention all the abilities and items he uses in his games that could be transferred into his moveset; that's pretty impressive.

 

[A Distant Demon]

That's new to me as I always thought it seemed to sell pretty well. Guess that's what happens when you have a Power Ranger personality lol

It sold somewhere above 200k. It bombed hard in part from the wii u's absolutely horrendous start.

A 2nd game would probably sell a lot better because there are actual wii u owners now but the first one bombed harder than wonder black.

 

[ChikoLad]

Isabelle is popular but she would not work as a Smash fighter, simply because it would be completely out of character for her to fight. Plus, she doesn't have anything to really work with. Yeah, you could make her throw more generic items at people like Villager, but in what way does that set her apart or display her as a unique personality? Plus, that only works for Villager because Villager is a blank slate character with no personality other than "he/she likes to collect things". Isabelle is actively portrayed as a timid, shy character who likes things to be in order.

Even the poster for Villager has Isabelle seemingly yelling at him to stop fighting:

 

[Burruni]

That's new to me as I always thought it seemed to sell pretty well. Guess that's what happens when you have a Power Ranger personality lol

The game's only publicity was it being shown at E3 the year BEFORE it got released. 0 Advertising.
That and being on the WiiU in its early struggling years would've near-killed any game.

Edit:

Can we just talk about Chibi-Robo please? 5 games, a re-release of the original game, fairly consistent game releases, and an amiibo? Not to mention all the abilities and items he uses in his games that could be transferred into his moveset; that's pretty impressive.

I'll repeat myself.

He's an underdog. His main cut-down is lack of popularity and middling boom of his game in a quite related matter.

That said, I expect him to be the of Smash 5. A bizzare choice of a quirky character with a moveset that oddly seems very unrelated to actual fighting in most places.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Isabelle is popular but she would not work as a Smash fighter, simply because it would be completely out of character for her to fight. Plus, she doesn't have anything to really work with. Yeah, you could make her throw more generic items at people like Villager, but in what way does that set her apart or display her as a unique personality? Plus, that only works for Villager because Villager is a blank slate character with no personality other than "he/she likes to collect things". Isabelle is actively portrayed as a timid, shy character who likes things to be in order.

Even the poster for Villager has Isabelle seemingly yelling at him to stop fighting:

Plot twist: Isabella is confirmed to be a clone of Villager

May the tears run forever in your flavor

 

[ChikoLad]

Plot twist: Isabella is confirmed to be a clone of Villager

May the tears run forever in your flavor

I wouldn't cry so much as say "meeeeeeh".

Bill Trinen would be the one crying, as it would be much harder for him to hide his affair with Rosalina from Isabelle. :V

 

[CyberWolfBia]

If we do get W102 I'd be quite surprised considering how poorly the first did. Though they do seem to be hinting towards it with this and that "seeing red" one.

maybe they're doing a sequel by the good and old "desire to do so"?.. I mean, not all the games need to have more than it to justify themselves; .. maybe they had a sequel planned all the time, without anything related with the reception of the first one.

 

[StormC]

Isabelle is popular but she would not work as a Smash fighter, simply because it would be completely out of character for her to fight.

Because Captain Falcon spent so much time in F-Zero punching people in the face.

 

[ChikoLad]

Because Captain Falcon spent so much time in F-Zero punching people in the face.

But he was already a fit muscle man by Smash 64 so he made sense as a fighter, since part of his backstory was that he is a bounty hunter. They had a clear fighting fit character, even if they didn't have direct moves, they had a fitting concept.

Isabelle's entire character is literally "precious cinnamon roll who must be protected" waifu bait.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I don't think Kamiya is teasing Wonderful 102, I think he's just trolling. That said, I DO think he'll do it eventually, but at the same time, I feel like Platinum is more likely to do something new. Either a new IP... or hell, maybe Metroid. I'd like to see them do Metroid.

 

[Champ Gold]

But he was already a fit muscle man by Smash 64 so he made sense as a fighter, since part of his backstory was that he is a bounty hunter. They had a clear fighting fit character, even if they didn't have direct moves, they had a fitting concept.

Isabelle's entire character is literally "precious cinnamon roll who must be protected" waifu bait.

Well Nintendo is pushing her hard and unless she stays an AT in the next game, she's gonna be throwing apples as a Neutral B

 

[CyberWolfBia]

I don't think Kamiya is teasing Wonderful 102, I think he's just trolling. That said, I DO think he'll do it eventually, but at the same time, I feel like Platinum is more likely to do something new. Either a new IP... or hell, maybe Metroid. I'd like to see them do Metroid.

Captain Falcon action game first, plox

 

[ChikoLad]

I don't think Kamiya is teasing Wonderful 102, I think he's just trolling. That said, I DO think he'll do it eventually, but at the same time, I feel like Platinum is more likely to do something new. Either a new IP... or hell, maybe Metroid. I'd like to see them do Metroid.

Retro Studios is also teasing showing up at Nintendo's E3, so I'd say they're handling Metroid.

Also I know Kamiya is a bit trollish but he isn't really when it comes to games he is hinting at.

 

[StormC]

But he was already a fit muscle man by Smash 64 so he made sense as a fighter, since part of his backstory was that he is a bounty hunter. They had a clear fighting fit character, even if they didn't have direct moves, they had a fitting concept.

Isabelle's entire character is literally "precious cinnamon roll who must be protected" waifu bait.

We have a dog and a duck fighting together. The fun of Smash Bros. is that it takes ridiculous scenarios like "Wii Fit Trainer, Diddy Kong, Sonic The Hedgehog, Ganondorf, Charizard, Iggy Koopa, Samus Aran, and Shulk all on Hyrule Temple." Dismissing that because of a crossover fighter that skewers canon good by its very existence seems rather exclusionary to me.

Not that I'm particularly advocating Isabelle, but I think that goes for most characters.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Aaaaaaaaand that settles it. Definitely going to be something more desirable like Wonderful 102 or new IP. Even if the guy is trolling in a good way (No Smash idiots or yo mamma insults), he is clearly pointing in that direction.

 

[Troykv]

Aaaaaaaaand that settles it. Definitely going to be something more desirable like Wonderful 102 or new IP. Even if the guy is trolling in a good way (No Smash idiots or yo mamma insults), he is clearly pointing in that direction.

Oh Kamiya... Why you likes troll us?

 

[Burruni]

What do you guys think we're gonna get first?

A) F-Zero Universe (WiiU racing title)

B) F-Zero Bounty Basher (Streets of Rage styled Beat-Em Up staring Captain Falcon)

 

[Champ Gold]

What do you guys think we're gonna get first?

A) F-Zero Universe (WiiU racing title)

B) F-Zero Bounty Basher (Streets of Rage styled Beat-Em Up staring Captain Falcon)

C) F-Zero X 3D on 3DS. With online and all the N64 DD tracks

 

[StormC]

What do you guys think we're gonna get first?

A) F-Zero Universe (WiiU racing title)

B) F-Zero Bounty Basher (Streets of Rage styled Beat-Em Up staring Captain Falcon)

C) Our collective deaths.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

If we made Isabelle as a fighter, it wouldn't be Isabelle any longer.

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