Character Discussion Thread

[Fatmanonice]

I'm just glad that Tetra is getting the spotlight again.

*Hopes for Vaati.*

Pretty much my thoughts too. After Vaati's metaphorical ship sank with Brawl, Tetra's the only other Zelda character I've been interested in seeing in Smash (although Impa's growing on me).

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Yeah Blue, they've stated how and you're just going LALALALALALALALALAAL!

 

[Curious Villager]

I would like to see Vaati in 3D one day. If they where to do another update for the 2D games. I'd like to see him and Marin as playable characters too. Or maybe the three Oracles Nayru, Din and Farore.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I'm not stupid N3ON.
Like more specification in regards to what types of choices he will choose.

 

[Deleted member]

Wait, I'm sorry, were you people expecting Blue's roster not to be ridiculous? >_>

I was expecting it to be ridiculous, but not to that degree.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

I swear, if Daphnes doesn't have a costume that references Harkinian....Nintendo/Tecmo Koei missed a HUGE opportunity.

The fact that he doesn't use the Dinner Blaster already is enough of a missed opportunity IMO.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I'm not stupid N3ON.
Like more specification in regards to what types of choices he will choose.

He's gone into that in the past for past games but chances are he won't do an interview like that until DLC is all wrapped up. I currently believe that Smash DLC will continue being a thing until February/March of next year before SSB4 is finished and Sakurai possibly starts thinking about what he wants to do for the next game years down the road.

 

[Curious Villager]

It's kinda ironic how we got two Wind Waker characters advertised for the 3DS version of Hyrule Warriors despite that Wind Waker HD came out for Wii U and Majora's Mask for the Wii U version despite that Majora's Mask 3D came out for the 3DS when you think about it. (Granted you can transfer the characters but still....)

 

[Fatmanonice]

Kinda want Tetra as a surprise announcement now... Maybe this is a sign that we'll finally see Toon Sheik in Smash after all this time.

 

[N3ON]

I'm not stupid N3ON.
Like more specification in regards to what types of choices he will choose.

Popular ones. They already said as much two months ago.

Expecting further candidness as far as the selection process goes is just unrealistic.

I was expecting it to be ridiculous, but not to that degree.

I thought that was pretty typical as far as his rosters go: picking and choosing which factors are actually important, overcompensating for some while leaving the others scant.

 

[BluePikmin11]

"I imagine that you may have some fighters in mind yourself! Can you think of anyone you'd like to see fight against characters like Mario or Link in Super Smash Bros? Well after discussing it with Smash Bros Director Masahiro Sakurai, we've decided to open the new Smash Bros. fighter ballot. With this poll, you can let us know directly which character you'd like to see become the next new fighter in Super Smash Bros. We won't be able to accommodate every request, but Sakurai will take each request into consideration when developing future titles."
Where's popular choices in what Iwata said.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

"I imagine that you may have some fighters in mind yourself! Can you think of anyone you'd like to see fight against characters like Mario or Link in Super Smash Bros? Well after discussing it with Smash Bros Director Masahiro Sakurai, we've decided to open the new Smash Bros. fighter ballot. With this poll, you can let us know directly which character you'd like to see become the next new fighter in Super Smash Bros. We won't be able to accommodate every request, but Sakurai will take each request into consideration when developing future titles."
Where's popular choices in what Iwata said.

That's logic, Blue.
Otherwise Pidgey would have as big as a chance as King K. Rool if I'd vote for the former.

 

[AEMehr]

"I imagine that you may have some fighters in mind yourself! Can you think of anyone you'd like to see fight against characters like Mario or Link in Super Smash Bros? Well after discussing it with Smash Bros Director Masahiro Sakurai, we've decided to open the new Smash Bros. fighter ballot. With this poll, you can let us know directly which character you'd like to see become the next new fighter in Super Smash Bros. We won't be able to accommodate every request, but Sakurai will take each request into consideration when developing future titles."
Where's popular choices in what Iwata said.

I would imagine the popular choices are going to sell the most.

more votes = more money

Have a little common sense.

 

[ChikoLad]

I'm not stupid N3ON.
Like more specification in regards to what types of choices he will choose.

He's already said that's it's pretty much just a mix of "they can bring something unique to the table", and "they have a noteworthy fanbase either requesting they be in Smash specifically or they are blatantly beloved just in general", as the most general basis.

There are exceptional criteria though. Such as the need to throw in a "joke character" in each game, The Pokémon Company dictating what Pokémon get in, and just certain characters being currently really relevant and not really having a chance beyond the current Smash game (Dark Pit and Lucina fit that bill, it was Smash 4 or bust for them, from what we can tell so far).

If you're talking about the ballot though, it's exactly what it say on the tin - whoever wins the vote, he will do his best to get that character in. That's why people should vote for who they want and not who "makes sense".

That's logic, Blue.
Otherwise Pidgey would have as big as a chance as King K. Rool if I'd vote for the former.

If Pidgey got the most votes in ballot, Sakurai would make an earnest effort to get him in.

With Pokémon it's tough though, because the Pokémon Company is strict with how their characters are used.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

"Ooh boy I'm going to vote for Doduo because we don't have a double headed fighter and Sakurai's gonna look into him when I vote for him! His uniqueness makes him a shoo-in if I vote!"

 

[ChikoLad]

"Ooh boy I'm going to vote for Doduo because we don't have a double headed fighter and Sakurai's gonna look into him when I vote for him! His uniqueness makes him a shoo-in if I vote!"

By all means.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

"Sakurai totally loves Spike and Pom Pom. What? He never said he hated them. One vote and they're practically shoo-ins"

I'll stop.

 

[N3ON]

"I imagine that you may have some fighters in mind yourself! Can you think of anyone you'd like to see fight against characters like Mario or Link in Super Smash Bros? Well after discussing it with Smash Bros Director Masahiro Sakurai, we've decided to open the new Smash Bros. fighter ballot. With this poll, you can let us know directly which character you'd like to see become the next new fighter in Super Smash Bros. We won't be able to accommodate every request, but Sakurai will take each request into consideration when developing future titles."
Where's popular choices in what Iwata said.

You serious?

Are you asking where popularity factors into a ballot? Into voting for characters?

Just given the volume this ballot will receive they're not even going to be able to devote time to acknowledging characters that didn't receive a certain amount of demand.

When you hear it's going to rain all day it's implicit you should bring an umbrella.

What's really the kicker though is you need it spelled out to you to adopt popularity even after the release of a character ballot yet seeing two veterans return was enough to convince you they'd all be back.

 

[Fatmanonice]

This is the Character Discussion thread, not the Let's Violently and Uproariously **** on BluePikmin thread... time to move on.

 

[A Distant Demon]

I guess my 5000th post might as well be pessimistic.

There is a huge problem with the mentality of the ballot. It IS a suggestion box but it IS still a vote. There is one huge disconnect that either any character can get in with good suggestions or that popular characters are guaranteed. Especially for 3rd parties. Hypothetically Banjo is the absolute highest voted character. Still might not happen. something similar might happen with k rool VS dixie. But that doesnt mean . . . I dont know. . . Kamui will get in just because (s)he has good suggestions all over the place. Kamui would still need a buttload of votes just to be considered.

Yes any character can be nominated but not every character has a chance. Im not saying dont vote for who you want. Just done expect random character #473 from 1 retro game ha a shadow of a chance.

so uhh in conclusion poplar characters are going to happen but they dont need to be the MOST popular. absurdley unpopular characters wont happen post-ballot.

 

[N3ON]

This is the Character Discussion thread, not the Let's Violently and Uproariously **** on BluePikmin thread... time to move on.

...he's replying to me as much as I'm replying to him. It's a debate. I'm not calling him names or flaming him, and he's not doing such things either. And what we're talking about pertains to characters.

 

[ChikoLad]

"Sakurai totally loves Spike and Pom Pom. What? He never said he hated them. One vote and they're practically shoo-ins"

I'll stop.

I hope you realise that I'm saying people should vote for who they want on the basis that in all likelihood, there are other people out there who want the same characters you do, therefore, the votes build up.

I'd much rather vote for characters I want, rather than the characters the community thinks make sense. I'm not gonna vote for K. Rool, Shantae, or the Chorus Men, because I don't care about them and they wouldn't excite me at all if they got into Smash (there's also the fact that these characters would be sorely underutilised if they got in anyway - remember what happened to poor old Pac-Man, the character everyone bandwagoned to get into the game because "OMG GUYS HE MAKES SO MUCH SENSE I WANT HIM SO MUCH", yet nobody plays, or even buys the Amiibo of? - but that's a discussion for another time).

I'm gonna vote for the likes of Rayman, Captain Toad, Layton, and hey, maybe I'll throw Dimentio in there. These are all characters I would like to see in the game, and the whole point of a vote is to vote for what YOU want, not what others want.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Yeah, I thought you said only the most popular can only be considered.

 

[Curious Villager]

I think pre-ballot would mainly go to characters planned to be included but couldn't due to time constraints and whatnot (Sakurai mentioned that there where a few more characters he wanted to include with Bowser Jr almost being one of them) how "popularly requested" these characters are may depend..... and post-ballot would go towards the characters voted on, the more votes they have the more likely they are to be noticed and considered at the very least. If a joke suggestion gets highly voted (Y'know, the Goku's and Shrek's etc) or any characters he has shot down fairly recently I don't think Sakurai and his team would go to the point of actually including them. Just my two cents....

 

[Wolfie557]

I hope you realise that I'm saying people should vote for who they want on the basis that in all likelihood, there are other people out there who want the same characters you do, therefore, the votes build up.

I'd much rather vote for characters I want, rather than the characters the community thinks make sense. I'm not gonna vote for K. Rool, Shantae, or the Chorus Men, because I don't care about them and they wouldn't excite me at all if they got into Smash (there's also the fact that these characters would be sorely underutilised if they got in anyway - remember what happened to poor old Pac-Man, the character everyone bandwagoned to get into the game because "OMG GUYS HE MAKES SO MUCH SENSE I WANT HIM SO MUCH", yet nobody plays, or even buys the Amiibo of? - but that's a discussion for another time).

I'm gonna vote for the likes of Rayman, Captain Toad, Layton, and hey, maybe I'll throw Dimentio in there. These are all characters I would like to see in the game, and the whole point of a vote is to vote for what YOU want, not what others want.

I share 100% of that opinion.

 

[Megadoomer]

I feel like popularity is going to play a big role, (if a lot of people vote for a character in the ballot, it's more likely to make Nintendo money than a character who only one person voted for), but it's not the only factor (otherwise, someone like Ridley would have been on the roster a long time ago, as opposed to being a glorified piñata).

The reasons given also seem like they'd play a part (otherwise, a bunch of people could spam "Dry Bones for Smash 4!" - there has to be a reason why the fans want the character and why it would benefit Nintendo), as well as how feasible a character could be to include. Veterans seem to have a decent chance in general based on that, seeing as they've already made those characters for previous SSB games, which gives them a base to work on; meanwhile, if a character can't work on the 3DS version or something like that, they'd probably be left out no matter how popular they are or how much sense it makes to include them.

 

[N3ON]

Yeah, I thought you said only the most popular can only be considered.

Well, all of them can be considered... but I imagine they have an algorithm present that will pretty much eliminate all the suggestions that don't receive a certain volume of requests. Going through all of them manually would be an unnecessarily laborious undertaking.

And then of the remainder they probably will favour those that placed towards the top, but yeah it's hardly a matter of the top characters automatically being included.

That said, it's no better to assume that only a single character will be included due to the ballot when including every veteran and 18 characters and such than suggesting only the characters of highest popularity stand a chance. Though the (Nintendo) characters of highest popularity do stand a pretty good chance considering Nintendo obv cares about popularity given their actions.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

"Sakurai totally loves Spike and Pom Pom. What? He never said he hated them. One vote and they're practically shoo-ins"

I'll stop.

"Brash the Bear is fully unique from any other Kong due to being a bear and an athletic bruiser. What's the matter Dixie fanboy? Can't you see that he has more coming for him because he's not another ape and Sakurai would give two ****s about relevance. One vote should be enough to prove that he's a definite shoo-in like King K. Rool!"

 

[Dastardly Ridleylash]

Though the (Nintendo) characters of highest popularity do stand a pretty good chance considering Nintendo obv cares about popularity given their actions.

Meaning K.Rool, Ridley, Inkling and Krystal are pretty considerable, given how popular all of them are (Ridley is pretty well-known for how obscure Metroid tends to be in Japan). So if we go by highest popularity, the DLC roster would be Mewtwo, Lucas, Roy, Ryu and probably Wolf pre-ballot and King K.Rool, Ridley, Inkling and Krystal as Ballot fighters (assuming there's more than one "winner" of the Ballot).

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

This is the Character Discussion thread, not the Let's Violently and Uproariously **** on BluePikmin thread... time to move on.

Ok. lets talk about the fact that Cat Mario is a shoo-in (I kid)

remember what happened to poor old Pac-Man, the character everyone bandwagoned to get into the game because "OMG GUYS HE MAKES SO MUCH SENSE I WANT HIM SO MUCH", yet nobody plays, or even buys the Amiibo of? - but that's a discussion for another time).

PAC-Man is in the awkward position for me. He has some moves that I really like, and then moves that I can't really find a way to use. He's not bad, but not the most appealing. PAC-Man is the guy I want to play, but don't really have fun doing so after a while.

Welp...I'm out of things to talk about. Sooooooooo...(flies away)

 

[ChikoLad]

Ok. lets talk about the fact that Cat Mario is a shoo-in (I kid)


PAC-Man is in the awkward position for me. He has some moves that I really like, and then moves that I can't really find a way to use. He's not bad, but not the most appealing. PAC-Man is the guy I want to play, but don't really have fun doing so after a while.

Welp...I'm out of things to talk about. Sooooooooo...(flies away)

I don't have a problem with Pac-Man and am fine with him being in the game, and love using him myself. But before his release, I was skeptical about his inclusion on the basis that I pretty much thought the demand for him was bandwagoning and nothing more.

And I was 100% right about it. And I don't want people to do it again with this ballot. It's frankly insulting the genuine fans of these characters. We shouldn't force popularity by voting for who "makes sense", we should vote with our hearts and vote for the characters we like most on a personal level.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Meaning K.Rool, Inkling and Krystal are pretty considerable, given how popular all of them are So if we go by highest popularity, the DLC roster would be Mewtwo, Lucas, Roy, Ryu and probably Wolf pre-ballot and King K.Rool, Inkling and Krystal as Ballot fighters (assuming there's more than one "winner" of the Ballot).

Fixed

I don't have a problem with Pac-Man and am fine with him being in the game, and love using him myself. But before his release, I was skeptical about his inclusion on the basis that I pretty much thought the demand for him was bandwagoning and nothing more.

And I was 100% right about it. And I don't want people to do it again with this ballot. It's frankly insulting the genuine fans of these characters. We shouldn't force popularity by voting for who "makes sense", we should vote with our hearts and vote for the characters we like most on a personal level.

no one is forcing anyone to vote on popular characters only.. Just that unpopular ones dont have a high chance.

people were arguing CHANCE not how to vote

 

[ZeldaMaster]

Sorry, BluePikmin, but whatever you say, your rosters ARE stupid. They never make any sense and are never, ever realistic in the slightest. Not saying you're stupid, but your rosters sure as hell are.

 

[N3ON]

Meaning K.Rool, Ridley, Inkling and Krystal are pretty considerable, given how popular all of them are (Ridley is pretty well-known for how obscure Metroid tends to be in Japan). So if we go by highest popularity, the DLC roster would be Mewtwo, Lucas, Roy, Ryu and probably Wolf pre-ballot and King K.Rool, Ridley, Inkling and Krystal as Ballot fighters (assuming there's more than one "winner" of the Ballot).

Popularity isn't going to make Ridley smaller hun. Sakurai has already considered and rejected the idea of him as playable, a few months of declining demand isn't going to change that.

Also your list appears to be devoid of Isaac, yet he seemed to garner a fair amount of popularity for the ballot.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I don't have a problem with Pac-Man and am fine with him being in the game, and love using him myself. But before his release, I was skeptical about his inclusion on the basis that I pretty much thought the demand for him was bandwagoning and nothing more.

And I was 100% right about it. And I don't want people to do it again with this ballot. It's frankly insulting the genuine fans of these characters. We shouldn't force popularity by voting for who "makes sense", we should vote with our hearts and vote for the characters we like most on a personal level.

Which is why I voted for Amaterasu. She is my favorite, and I knew she would not have many votes.

Sorry, BluePikmin, but whatever you say, your roster ARE stupid.

He says with incorrect grammar.

 

[Wolfie557]

@ BluePikmin11
I am sorry, but out of 16 (not counting mewtwo, lucas, roy & ryu)......I only see 6 to have a decent enough chance.
The rest I either see as ridiculous or unlikely.

And they will NOT add that many.

 

[ChikoLad]

Fixed

no one is forcing anyone to vote on popular characters only.. Just that unpopular ones dont have a high chance.

people were arguing CHANCE not how to vote

http://smashboards.com/threads/the-smash-democracy-thread.397115/

Smash bros. now has a voting thread to vote for who you want to be in smash. Because of this, I feel people should wait, and make educated votes. To accomplish this, this thread is designed for people to post who they voted for, and why. Through this, we can avoid wasted votes on characters that are too obscure to be voted for. We can find what characters are being commonly vote for in order to make sure our votes count.

wasted votes

Stickied thread on these very boards.

 

[Megadoomer]

Sorry, BluePikmin, but whatever you say, your roster ARE stupid. They never make any sense and are never, ever realistic in the slightest. Not saying you're stupid, but your rosters sure as hell are.

It's a bit too much in terms of characters, but calling it "stupid" or saying that it makes no sense seems somewhat extreme. Sure, some characters (Inkling, Wonder Red, Cross, possibly Bayonetta) seem more likely to be considered for the next game (seeing as each SSB tends to focus on characters from the previous system as opposed to the current one, though that could change with DLC), and I can't speak for some of the choices (never played Rhythm Heaven or Professor Layton; don't know how feasible they'd be).

However, people definitely want veterans to return (at the very least, Ice Climbers, Wolf, and Snake come up a lot; the others have fanbases, though those are much smaller). There's definitely a demand for new Donkey Kong characters, and with DLC being an option, people are probably going to vote for characters from newer games that are either popular (like Splatoon) or generally felt to be more deserving of love (the Wonderful 101). While the amount of characters is kind of excessive, the choices do make sense, at least for the ones that I'm familiar with.

 

[A Distant Demon]

http://smashboards.com/threads/the-smash-democracy-thread.397115/





Stickied thread on these very boards.

first of all one post != an entire community. That is textbook cherrypicking.

The other problem? he is basically right. a character with no votes is not going to happen and the vote essentially does go to waste.

its honestly a case of an investment. If i invest in character A i do like who has plenty of votes they might get in. Now I do like character B more. But character B has various issues that make them unlikely/impossible. It would be better for me and others to compromise with what can be done and pick character A to vote for.

For instance my #1 is Viridi. I shouldnt need to tell why she is impossible. So ive spent more time and effort voting for Wonder red, who I do love and actually may have even the smallest of a chance.

 

[Kalimdori]

LOL at least more than 10?

And they will NOT add that many.

These guys can see the future apparently!

Why do people even try to claim the maximum amount of characters Sakurai will make? It's pointless, as long as Nintendo wants to keep supporting Smash, they will continue to add more content, regardless of whatever made up rules the Smash community tries to assign them.