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I guess so. I meant it as a plus for Fire Emblem, not as a negative for Star Fox; it's definitely not an end-all factor, obviously since we have seen characters like Ice Climbers and Lucas.
I never looked at it this way. Still, we need to remember that both Falco and Wolf were last-minute characters. Star Fox has three, but it wasn't planned to have three in the first place. Star Fox was very lucky. It could have had remained at one even to this day if Sakurai did not want to expand the rosters with last-minute characters.
See I'm okay with that too but only if not all of them are flavor of the week additions. I mean, Roy and a newcomer really isn't that much of a stretch. Honestly, most supporting characters aren't that much of a stretch. (Three mother, second fzero, fourth star fox, etc)
Wow. Dat evidence. I understand now.
No, they aren't a stretch. A good character is a good character...although that DOESN'T mean that every good character, even if they are deserving, will make it into this game. I think that's what Sakurai is conveying with his quote. But that doesn't make a character impossible in the future or take away from them being a good character.
Intended to, but didnt.
If somehow Roy got brought back as almost basically still a clone of Marth, I could still see us getting a newcomer from Fire Emblem while still keeping Ike. That's only because I think Ike is still pretty likely to make it back with Fire Emblem getting a newcomer in Chrom or Lucina. Roy getting in would only be a gift to the Melee fans.. maybe.
Thirdkoopa
kind of already said that.
Yo.
Toon Link, as far as we can tell, is still mostly cloned of Link. I'd be 100% ok with Roy back as basically still a clone.
And Donkey Kong could throw DSes and 3DSes at foes. You know, since he uses them as an idle animation, too.She could attack with bubblegum.
I thought he could? Either way, there's also the idea that he indirectly is hearing of forum posts or vast discussions from other people that report it.He can't speak English.
So I extremely doubt he sees Smashboards topics here.
We know Nate Bihldorf checked Smashboards and NeoGAF on our reactions during pre-Brawl, furthermore he's the guy that also translated everything on the Dojo, so he likely had direct contact with Sakurai. Plus, Sakurai also said they're checking Miiverse in the Developer Direct iirc. It's very likely they're keeping an eye on us, so while Sakurai doesn't read the things himself he likely has the information delivered to him.He can't speak English.
So I extremely doubt he sees Smashboards topics here.
Agreed completely. Not everything will make it into this game, but there's no sign of ending the series, so I don't mind. It's why my two most wanted characters are already "wait what" worthy.
What if Sakurai decided to add a character that is very popular and adds Steve or Goku?
Well, in that case, I guess Sakurai is guaranteed to know about Ridley.
Yeah. It's just bizarre since Sakurai picked Rosalina & Luma at that time. Why not another newcomer? From a new series or any other series? Then again, it is very easy to over analyze him.
They don't meet the general criteria as far as I'm aware. Plus, the roster was already decided when the Smash Bros Miiverse page launched.
Well, duh, of course he does. His pre-Brawl poll had Ridley on it, and there's a reason he got two boss battles in Brawl. He most certainly knows about the demand.
Maybe he didn't think it was necessary, but Nintendo bugged the heck out of him to add Rosalina for marketing purposes, and then he sees her uniqueness as a character, having her added in the roster.
Maybe it was good since SMB3DW was so successful, and people found out about the fifth character. Either way, I just thought it would be interesting to discuss, especially since Waluigi didn't gain enough clout to become a playable character.Maybe he didn't think it was necessary, but Nintendo bugged the heck out of him to add Rosalina for marketing purposes, and then he sees her uniqueness as a character, having her added in the roster.
Yeah, I'm not actually reading this. I feel bad you wasted your time making so much text, but to be fair I don't want to waste my time actually reading it."Don't be douchey. I'm simply being realistic."
"Read your own damn posts"
The hipocrasy, it burns.
"Don't act like I'm being a narcissist"
I don't have to try very hard to do that.
Especially when you say:
"And real mature there... How old are you exactly?"
Telling me
"You can't deny it."
and actually justifying your opinions with
"unbroken trend."
while trying to make it seem like I'm the only one who thinks the way I do with
"You want to ask people here? They'll tell you the same."
Who the hell do you think you are?
-Chrom can be unique
-Lucina can be unique
-Chrom and Lucina can be a team
-Unique newcomers are better additions than clone newcomers
-Unique newcomers add more to the game
-Fans have made movesets that have mad Chrom and Lucina unique together and separate
-Developers are more qualified than fans, and know what they're doing... more so than fans
-Sakurai has given many characters moves they don't possess
-No pattern in a previous game can justify anything in this game, as any pattern can be followed as easily as it can be broken
-4/5 newcomers so far have added a new, unique gimmick to the series not in a previous game
-Chrom is more requested than Roy, and is more popular even though Roy was in Melee. Roy was a full clone in Melee, and wasn't the original one chosen
-When people talk about who should return from Melee, more often than not, they'll only choose Mewtwo
-There are multiple FE characters that could be included as clones
-Awakening did much more for the series than Binding Blade, and is the most recent game
-If you care about patterns so much: FE had characters in Melee and Brawl, in Melee they added the upcoming new FE lord + Marth and almost added the lord from the game before the newest lord, in Brawl they added the newest lord from 2 games + Marth, the most recent lord is Chrom, and Marth has already returned. If patterns justify whatever you want to happen, then I guess I can use this to justify the final FE roster being Marth, Chrom... with Ike being considered/almost added. And nobody else. Sounds like crap to me, but if "patterns" mean everything, that's what will happen. And since Ike was more unique than Roy, Chrom will be even more separate than Marth, and then in SSB5 the newest lord can be added with an even more unique moveset, and Marth can return, and Chrom can be almost added but dropped due to time/choosing this new guy.
Thankfully, this scenario won't happen. Ike won't get cut, and I doubt we'll see a boring trio of Marth, Ike, Roy or Marth, Ike, Chrom when there are plenty of unique characters to choose from.Many patterns have been destroyed already. Like updating designs... many take their designs fro Brawl like Fox and Link. Every game so far has looked more and more realistic, this is more cartoonish. Pattern broken. Simple as that. Toon Link returned. 2nd Link pattern continued. Simple as that. It is just as easy to break a pattern, as it is to continue one. So patterns can't be used to justify anything, neither side, as both are viable unless looked at specifically to see what's actually being requested. You can justify likelihood based on simply... what you think the likelihood of _____ is. There's no evidence.
Remember, Sakurai even almost didn't add Ness in Melee and Jigglypuff in Brawl, the original 12 is the most prominent character tradition of the series and was almost not one at all.
If Daisy's ever added as a playable character and she's a clone. I'll get what you mean. But until then, Daisy being able to be unique, and Rosalina being able to be unique, doesn't really support the assumption they'd be clones. Daisy is more similar to Peach, but would not be a clone if added... I don't think their rushing this one and last minute clones aren't the way to go. I don't think Sakurai will purposely add any clone newcomers unless rushed... and they have time...
EDIT: Double post
That looks so... bloody...
He's not a clone. And that's not why he added him. I didn't realize we played Smash for the move sets. I thought it was...you know...for your favorite Nintendo characters.
Everybody Loves Roy(mond)
Psh. Everybody that gets in a discussion with you is wasting their time. You're only open to your ideas, and everything else is garbage. No matter what common sense and evidence backs up the other side.
Does it make sense to bring Mewtwo back and not add any new pokemon from the new generations?
Oh, come now, you know that Mewtwo and Roy aren't in the same position here.
I think the answer to this question is an affirmative ohgodpleasesakurai.
It's likely that Roy will not be added back, no matter how much he is our boy or how much certain people want him.
Sakurai himself stated that if Mewtwo returned no 6th Generation Pokemon would be playable at E3.
