Character Discussion Thread

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Everyone had the same speed
People didn't enjoy SSE as a whole and would have preferred more characters
GREAT ****ING MAZE literally makes you play aaaaall over again
In melee adventure mode, you could tell where the stage came from, SSE however, you could not other than Skyworld and the Halberd

Yeah, most of the references were of older games that I had not seen before, so I didn't know what they were. Ex: The Ruined Zoo.

 

[Kalimdori]

Everyone had the same speed
People didn't enjoy SSE as a whole and would have preferred more characters
GREAT ****ING MAZE literally makes you play aaaaall over again
In melee adventure mode, you could tell where the stage came from, SSE however, you could not other than Skyworld and the Halberd

1. Speeds were tweaked, but it wasn't even remotely close to everyone having the same speed.
2. Assumption based on your own beliefs
3. No. Bravely Default made you play the game over again. Great Maze rehashed bits of previous levels and threw them together, but it wasn't even close to making you play the game twice.
4. True.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

I would rather have Karate Joe!
(Has there ever been a cry more manly than the "Uh!" It's like he digs deep down inside himself, reveals his spirit with that "Uh!" of power...and then directs that energy into smashing flower pots, bulbs, and exploding barrels. Karate Joe knows no fear!)

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Karate Joe > Chorus Kid

It's very sad that the Japanese fans expected a Rhythm Heaven character to happen, only to be disappointed in the end. The more insulting part about its current representation is that Style Saavy has two songs (TWO SONGS) over Rhythm Heaven in the end.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

2. Assumption based on your own beliefs

Actually, I loved SSE, I was listing the complaints I saw the most

 

[A Distant Demon]

I think I'm the only one who thinks the Splatoon Miis hurt Inkling's chances, I know about the Link and Meta Knight costumes, but they look nothing like the originals, the Splatoon Miis are really similar to the Inklings, the only weird thing are the eyes, but I doubt you will be able to see that when playing a match.

Naww im with you.
I do think it might help for smash 5 though.

 

[N3ON]

Now that we are getting some sort of Splatoon content as a tie-in promotion it does make more sense from a big picture perspective to hold off on Inklings until Smash 5.

Yeah they could be released down the line as DLC, they're popular enough, and unique enough, but the benefits to releasing them as part of Smash 5 seem greater considering there aren't a lot of big names left, and that Nintendo doesn't create big IPs too often anymore, especially if less than current characters (apart from a retro or two) aren't in serious consideration for the main roster, and characters like Ridley and Toad have been ruled out.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Monita for Smash.

Seriously.

I never see anyone talking about her despite having a really awesome appearance and potential for comedy between the whole cosplay angle and the idea that she's a floating TV set with a television theme.

Nintendo land would be a freaking awesome stage though.

with Ice Ridley as a stage boss

Just to let y'all know, the Monita thread had been revived and you can feel free to talk more about her there.

 

[Wintropy]

...and Toad have been ruled out.

I don't recall this ever happening. Or are you speaking hypothetically?

Either way, Captain Toad seems to be in a strong position in future.

 

[Burruni]

Now that we are getting some sort of Splatoon content as a tie-in promotion it does make more sense from a big picture perspective to hold off on Inklings until Smash 5.

Yeah they could be released down the line as DLC, they're popular enough, and unique enough, but the benefits to releasing them as part of Smash 5 seem greater considering there aren't a lot of big names left, and that Nintendo doesn't create big IPs too often anymore, especially if less than current characters (apart from a retro or two) aren't in serious consideration for the main roster, and characters like Ridley and Toad have been ruled out.

The reason they are deserving as DLC characters for Smash 4 and being held for Smash 5 are basically the same. It's just a matter of HOW much they do in the Ballot and how this is taken by Nintendo/Sakurai.

1. They're an innovative new IP which don't happen THAT much with Nintendo anymore.
2. They're AMAZINGLY popular, especially for a new IP.
   
3. The "Miinklings" show that the series is on the radar with some Smash 4 content already present.
   
4. The game shows all sins towards a sequel with popularity, Nintendo support, and the structured layout to prolong the fire of the game to last for at least a few extra months by the staggered "expansions" to the game.
   

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I don't recall this ever happening. Or are you speaking hypothetically?

Either way, Captain Toad seems to be in a strong position in future.

Regular Toad because Peach

 

[Wintropy]

Regular Toad because Peach

That's a silly vindication.

Captain Toad may well be the best thing to ever happen to the Toad base.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

That's a silly vindication.

Captain Toad may well be the best thing to ever happen to the Toad base.

Hey, I've got nothing against CAPTAIN Toad, it's just N3ON specifically said Toad, as in the regular one

 

[Baskerville]

Inklings being in the next Smash will come down to how well Splatoon does, and how long the Inklings will stay popular. Though the former is the bigger factor.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

1. Speeds were tweaked, but it wasn't even remotely close to everyone having the same speed.
2. Assumption based on your own beliefs
3. No. Bravely Default made you play the game over again. Great Maze rehashed bits of previous levels and threw them together, but it wasn't even close to making you play the game twice.
4. True.

So basically what the Subspace Emissary needs is more references that everyone will get, and to include all characters in the story.

(Looks at signature) Now everyone will know I'm a noob....(Suddenly perks up) Eh, they probably knew that anyway. (Skips off)

 

[Cutie Gwen]

So basically what the Subspace Emissary needs is more references that everyone will get, and to include all characters in the story.

(Looks at signature) Now everyone will know I'm a noob....(Suddenly perks up) Eh, they probably knew that anyway. (Skips off)

Smash is a game with lots of fanservice, and not the Palutena Side Taunt kind, let's look at how SSE did Halberd, you only really know it's Halberd because of the cutscene, in Kirby, the backgrounds show windows, clouds, and other things, SSE shows us empty rooms and the side of the ship

 

[bksbestbwoy]

Now that we are getting some sort of Splatoon content as a tie-in promotion it does make more sense from a big picture perspective to hold off on Inklings until Smash 5.

Yeah they could be released down the line as DLC, they're popular enough, and unique enough, but the benefits to releasing them as part of Smash 5 seem greater considering there aren't a lot of big names left, and that Nintendo doesn't create big IPs too often anymore, especially if less than current characters (apart from a retro or two) aren't in serious consideration for the main roster, and characters like Ridley and Toad have been ruled out.

You know, I'm pretty much advocating the hell out of the Inklings and whatnot, but this is the first reply I've seen ever that makes me reconsider my stance even partially. Either way, since I know they are like "guaranteed" tier, I'm cool playing the waiting game for however long, but I do hope something happens sooner rather than later.

 

[Deleted member]

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This is my estimated roster for DLC. Thought Process go
1. Ryu and Roy Leak Basically 99.99% confirmed
2. Wolf is basically a lock for DLC
3. I think Nintendo will try to finish Ice Climbers and Chorus Kids
4. Remaining Slots went to popular choices, Snake's a vet, rest poll extremely high.

How would you all feel if this was our DLC Roster
(Note: This was my best attempt to recreate the Wii U Roster, its hard in the roster creator)

I would be beyond satisfied if this was our final roster, but I don't think we're getting that many characters. Banjo & Kazooie are not happening and I feel as Ice Climbers and Chorus Men will be saved for a Smash NX edition if they get in at all. Cut these three and you have a pretty realistic DLC roster assuming we get more than six characters.

I think I'm the only one who thinks the Splatoon Miis hurt Inkling's chances, I know about the Link and Meta Knight costumes, but they look nothing like the originals, the Splatoon Miis are really similar to the Inklings, the only weird thing are the eyes, but I doubt you will be able to see that when playing a match.

You're not alone in that thought process. This all but disconfirms Inklings as pre-ballot characters and to get in as DLC, they need overwhelming support which is possible but I wouldn't hold my breath unless Splatoon becomes a huge hit.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Nintendo land would be a freaking awesome stage though.

with Ice Ridley as a stage boss

It probably will be in the next game since the games seem to try to focus more on the last generation of consoles than the current one. Also Monita for SSB5's WTF character.

 

[BluePikmin11]

The difference being you can get away with unpopular picks on the main roster because it's a package deal, but when you're selling characters on an individual basis you need to go with what will sell, and then choosing unpopular characters is deliberately counterproductive.

They'll probably do bundles if Sakurai wants to add them as DLC.

You need to stop looking at things through the lens of how "your" characters will get in and just through what's actually likely and what's not if you want to make actual predictions that have more of a basis than pure hope, because the former has been filled with fallacies in your reasoning.

I'm just bringing it up as a noticeable possibility, not saying "my" characters are likely to happen really.
I rather go pick unlikely choices really, because it's boring to play it safe and eventually it'll be proven wrong very easily, I like taking risks.

 

[Burruni]

They'll probably do bundles if Sakurai wants to add them as DLC.


I'm just bringing it up as a noticeable possibility, not saying "my" characters are likely to happen really.
I rather go pick unlikely choices really, because it's boring to play it safe and eventually it'll be proven wrong very easily, I like taking risks.

Prince Sable? Bayonetta? Young Link? We know you as a man of riskier choices when it comes to Smash characters.

Just prepare that people will stomp out some of these when they're brought up.

It's why I don't bring up Donbe & Hikari as a retro character or Marshal from Rhythm Heaven anymore.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Donbe and Hikari is probably out of the radar completely based on what Sakurai said about Takamaru.
Though Marshal isn't really out of the running, he is a possible alternative if Sakurai can't get the Chorus Kids working.

 

[Burruni]

Donbe and Hikari is probably out of the radar completely based on what Sakurai said about Takamaru.
Though Marshal isn't really out of the running, he is a possible alternative if Sakurai can't get the Chorus Kids working.

My basis on Donbe & Hikari is that Captain Rainbow kept them on the radar in Japan, their game has a remix in Smash, and they'd be able to embody the moveset I want that is just parodying various little bits of Japanese culture and mythos ever since Okami and Muramasa resparked my interest in it.
The infinite jab combo of the paper fan will return.

Marshal to me was the "better" RH character because with the series being such a micro-game styled layout, he could be a "modern" with the art style gimick of hand drawn 2d looking animation like the Sneaky Spirit holds instead of just wonky LCD.

 

[FalKoopa]

I rather go pick unlikely choices really, because it's boring to play it safe and eventually it'll be proven wrong very easily, I like taking risks.

Plenty of us have pipe dream wants, but dragging on the topic continuously is a different thing. The tone of your posts doesn't help.

 

[memoryman3]

I don't recall this ever happening. Or are you speaking hypothetically?

Either way, Captain Toad seems to be in a strong position in future.

As much as I want Captain Toad and Toadette....their main distinction is that they can't jump. It even says in the trophy description

 

[BluePikmin11]

Plenty of us have pipe dream wants, but dragging on the topic continuously is a different thing.

I don't think any of my predicted choices are pipe dreams at all, if you want a pipe dream, then anime characters and minor characters like Goomba + Koopa duo are pretty much descriptions of that.
And hasn't this topic regarding pre-ballot and ballot choices started a few hours ago, I don't think it's been dragging on too long.

The tone of your posts doesn't help.

I don't think I really have a mean tone here, I'm sure I didn't insult anyone here.

 

[FalKoopa]

As much as I want Captain Toad and Toadette....their main distinction is that they can't jump. It even says in the trophy description

Well, Ness and Lucas learnt their Final Smashes from their partners. Capt. Toad will learn jumping from Jumpman himself. (It makes a scary amount of sense).

I don't think I really have a mean tone here, I'm sure I didn't insult anyone here.

Not insulting. But most of your posts say something like - 'If a character has 5% chance of happening, you're wrong/biased/exaggerating for dismissing that 5%.'

 

[Cutie Gwen]

As much as I want Captain Toad and Toadette....their main distinction is that they can't jump. It even says in the trophy description

Well, considering we have literal gods in the roster, one of em being considered terrible (Wintropy going to prove y'all wrong) so meh

 

[Burruni]

I don't think any of my predicted choices are pipe dreams at all, if you want a pipe dream, then anime characters and minor characters like Goomba + Koopa duo are pretty much descriptions of that.
And hasn't this topic regarding pre-ballot and ballot choices started a few hours ago, I don't think it's been dragging on too long.


I don't think I really have a mean tone here, I'm sure I didn't insult anyone here.

I think Fal specifically still is a little heated on the arguments around Young Link that took up like... 5 hours yesterday? I feel like we've spent a few lengthy sessions about Bayonetta at well.

Well, considering we have literal gods in the roster, one of em being considered terrible (Wintropy going to prove y'all wrong) so meh

Yo, you talkin bout my ThunderCougarFalcondorf? Because I've WARLOCK PUNCH SUPER ARMOR'D THE REST FROM A JIGGLYPUFF AND THE ACTUAL PUNCH GOT THE KILL FROM 0%.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Yeah, were not talking about Young Link right now.

Here's a topic, I want to know your answer with False Sense question, will we get more ballot characters than pre-ballot, or will it be the other way around? Reasons would be appreciated.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I think Fal specifically still is a little heated on the arguments around Young Link that took up like... 5 hours yesterday? I feel like we've spent a few lengthy sessions about Bayonetta at well.


Yo, you talkin bout my ThunderCougarFalcondorf? Because I've WARLOCK PUNCH SUPER ARMOR'D THE REST FROM A JIGGLYPUFF AND THE ACTUAL PUNCH GOT THE KILL FROM 0%.

Oh yeah, Falcondorf's a god. I meant Palutena. We have Palutena, Dorf, Roastaluma and [REDACTED]

 

[FalKoopa]

Yeah, were not talking about Young Link right now.

Here's a topic, I want to know your answer with False Sense question, will we get more ballot characters than pre-ballot, or will it be the other way around? Reasons would be appreciated.

5 Pre-ballot characters (,Ryu,) + 3 ballot characters (The top 3 ones - K. Rool, Isaac and someone else).

8 is a large enough number, I think.

 

[Champ Gold]

We'll get a range of 6-8 DLC characters, 5 pre-ballot and 2-3 post-ballots


Pre-Ballot will be




Ryu

 

[Curious Villager]

Yeah, were not talking about Young Link right now.

Here's a topic, I want to know your answer with False Sense question, will we get more ballot characters than pre-ballot, or will it be the other way around? Reasons would be appreciated.

It depends on the characters Sakurai may want to include and how many he himself wished to include but couldn't due to time constraints. It also depends if he will also look through some suggestions that may be easier to do via the ballot and may make a few more fans happy with that.
It also depends on how long he is willing to keep up with DLC and how many he will just use for Mii costumes as some sort of compensation....

I know that doesn't really answer your question but yeah...

 

[Fatmanonice]

Inklings being in the next Smash will come down to how well Splatoon does, and how long the Inklings will stay popular. Though the former is the bigger factor.

Eh... Pikmin 1 and 2 didn't do that great all in all but Olimar still got in Brawl. At this rate, the worst Splatoon's going to do is probably is only a couple hundred thousand copies sold but that's still impressive in the grand scheme of video games.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Wait. Remember the Bowser Jr article that says he was originally going to be scrapped and there being 4 unnamed characters who did get scrapped? What if the pre-ballot stuff is that? I personally believe that if you scrap something but release it as DLC that it should at least be cheaper than usual

 

[BluePikmin11]

Not insulting. But most of your posts say something like - 'If a character has 5% chance of happening, you're wrong/biased/exaggerating for dismissing that 5%.'

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I didn't say something similar to that. Can you point out a post where I did this?

Wait. Remember the Bowser Jr article that says he was originally going to be scrapped and there being 4 unnamed characters who did get scrapped? What if the pre-ballot stuff is that? I personally believe that if you scrap something but release it as DLC that it should at least be cheaper than usual

4 of them? There was a number?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I didn't say something similar to that. Can you point out a post where I did this?


4 of them? There was a number?

I think it did

 

[FalKoopa]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I didn't say something similar to that. Can you point out a post where I did this?

How else am I supposed to interpret this?

"Young Link support is non-existent"
:T
Exaggerating.

There's plenty of people who want him back, most of them suggest a Majora's Mask based moveset.
He's still a pretty top candidate for DLC.

In any case. I don't want to get into a fight so I'll lay off. I'm sorry if I was too accusatory.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Yeah, my intention wasn't to do anything negative at all.
I'll be sure to word it more differently, even though I've been kind as I can to have a nice debate here.

 

[Fatmanonice]

So... random thought... how would you guys feel if in future games Fire Emblem lords were handled like the Koopalings? For example, instead of Marth's different colors, he'd just have seven other major characters from the series? In my head, I picture something along the lines of Marth, Lucina, Leif, Sigurd, Lyn, Seliph, Eirika, and one of the leading characters in Fire Emblem If. I could see Ike being handled in a similar fashion. Same moveset but a different character skin.