Character Discussion Thread

[random rendum]

I'm only bringing this up because people assert that he'll have to be a "3rd Marth" (honestly, I cringe everytime I hear 3rd Marth. I can never escape it).



Like I said before, Sakurai has had no problems changing up some characters in the past before. With a full clone in the game, don't you think theirs some initiative in his mind to change him up to be unique from Marth and Lucina?

I cringe we people say Paper Mario is 3rd Mario or Jigglypuff is 2nd Kirby

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Some people may be forgetting that Roy was planned for Brawl, and it could lend itself to him being slightly Luigified, similar to Falco, Ganondorf, etc...

At least that's one way I could plausibly see him being de-cloned.

 

[BaganSmashBros]

Some people may be forgetting that Roy was planned for Brawl, and it could lend itself to him being slightly Luigified, similar to Falco, Ganondorf, etc...

And so was Dr.Mario. Oh, and Pichu with Mewtwo.
Note: im not counting cut newcommers.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Out of the current semi-clones ; I actually think all but are fine. I doubt that especially or will ever be more unique than they are now. But has a lot of potential to be better, as we all know. I still think it's very likely that Roy, who was also planned for Brawl- might get a lot of different moves to from to justify his inclusion.

Remember that was originally planned as nothing but a mere alternative costume.

Also remember that was a late addition to Brawl, but still had amongst the most unique movesets out of the semi-clones.

's situation is entirely different; he had an unique moveset from the beginning. He needed no moveset changes, he needed to be made more effective.

I think it's a safe bet that Roy will have at least some different moves and properties compared to and . For once, his Neutral B will be different, as 's Neutral B was already drastically different than it was in Melee . A Down B Counter is so common, especially in Fire Emblem characters, so it's most likely to return to. I speculate that either his Side or Up B will change significantly as well, Side B might even become the fire projectile from FE6.

So yeah, am optimistic for Roy being back.

 

[Burruni]

Some people may be forgetting that Roy was planned for Brawl, and it could lend itself to him being slightly Luigified, similar to Falco, Ganondorf, etc...

At least that's one way I could plausibly see him being de-cloned.

While I believe that this is a very poor argument, I can't wait for someone to hold the grounds that so was and thus we should expect to be changed just as little in transition.

Yes, there are grounds for how he may but we don't know if he will. My main issue is when people use this theoretical ground as a point for another character as if it is a cemented fact in how characters have already transitioned.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

To my knowledge, Pichu was never planned, Mewtwo isn't a clone, and Dr.Mario is simply a different version of Mario. Roy isn't a different version of Marth. It's not really the same thing.

Ganondorf and Falco and Toon Link were changed from their source material to a decent extent, and considering Roy was planned, the same could be true for him.

EDIT:Actually, it doesn't even make sense for Doc to be changed BECAUSE he was last minute. He was added with the intent to be a clone. That's not really the case with Roy for this game...

 

[Diddy Kong]

and are the same person
and are not.

It's not like is called "Fire Marth" or anything. He's not related to Marth at all, despite being from the same series. however, IS related to .

I really do not get Roy detractors now, it's already confirmed he will be in. To set yourself up to be dissapointed in him isn't going to do much.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Wasn't Wolf the last character worked on in Brawl? I know everyone says Sonic but I heard otherwise

 

[JamesDNaux]

Wasn't Wolf the last character worked on in Brawl? I know everyone says Sonic but I heard otherwise

Wolf was the last character they managed to put in after Sonic was thrust into the game.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Wasn't Wolf the last character worked on in Brawl? I know everyone says Sonic but I heard otherwise

It's often speculated that the last characters added to Brawl where: since they all have no direct role in the Subspace Emissary.

 

[BaganSmashBros]

To my knowledge, Pichu was never planned

Ok, i rechecked that and whoops, i dun goofed.

 

[Andinus]

Side B might even become the fire projectile from FE6.

Ohh, daddy like that idea..

 

[True Blue Warrior]

its ironic because im currently making a ridley thread.

Zaheer was an awesome villain.

or a third Marth but that ship has already sailed...

Roy's niche wasn't taken by Lucina like Young Link was by Toon Link.

 

[FalKoopa]

I'm one of those who don't expect Roy to be changed up much except what is required for balance. The comparison to Falco and Ganondorf does hold some water, but unless we see it happen, I'm choosing to stay pessimistic.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Well, I don't think Sakurai would have the nerve to sell us Roy without him being at least as different as Falco or Ganondorf. However, I think Lucas might be a character that fits Roy's bill much better.

Similar in build, weight, size and some similar looking Special attacks, maybe even a shared Final Smash? But enough differences to make a change.

Am expecting Roy to be a sort of middle ground between and , basically the Chrom we all envisoned earlier, but flashier and more fiery.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I have to ask; how can a character be a top contender for DLC when they directly contradict an established rule regarding character selection?

Yes, such rules can change, and have done so in the past. We shouldn't act as if they're absolute. But conversely, we can't just brush them off by saying that they can change, because there is no indication that they will change.

Top Zelda contender remember.
I wasn't speaking in absolute really, I'm just bringing it up that the possibility is there, that's the part of speculation isn't it?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Top Zelda contender remember.
I wasn't speaking in absolute really, I'm just bringing it up that the possibility is there, that's the part of speculation isn't it?

*Young Link top Zelda contender*

 

[BluePikmin11]

It's always a reaction from you guys.
Pichu is brought up when it comes to Pokemon contenders and no one reacts with a gif or video. :T

 

[Cutie Gwen]

It's always a reaction from you guys.
Pichu is brought up when it comes to Pokemon contenders and no one reacts with a gif or video. :T

That's because Pokemon doesn't have shoe ins, joke characters or other things, pretty sure Ganon and Impa are the most popular choices for DLC Zelda characters

 

[BluePikmin11]

If we look at it from a non-popular stand-point, Toon Zelda, Vaati, Tetra, and Young Link are contenders too.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Come to the Happy Mask Side.



We're the most off-the wall choice.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Come to the Happy Mask Side.



We're the most off-the wall choice.

Was real cute of an idea, till transformation gimmicks got shafted.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Was real cute of an idea, till transformation gimmicks got shafted.

The idea was always single moves and never had any real transformations.

Like Zelda's Phantom Summon if Zelda "became" the Phantom for the duration of the move.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Fierce Deity Happy Mask Salesman... I actually would like to see this happen.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Top Zelda contender remember.

Daily reminder that Young Link has no chance.

 

[Burruni]

It's always a reaction from you guys.
Pichu is brought up when it comes to Pokemon contenders and no one reacts with a gif or video. :T

Because people just say pichu was a joke character, mewtwo hurt his chances because quite a few believe we won't see multiple dlc characters of a series, and pose that he has a chance off the role he had is still there and the closest thing to it is WFT.

Toon Link fills Young Link's role on almost every ground with a VERY similar move set. There are clear differences.

 

[A Distant Demon]

If we look at it from a non-popular stand-point, Toon Zelda, Vaati, Tetra, and Young Link are contenders too.

except there is a popularity standpoint from the ballot.

plus calling young link the top zelda character when Impa exists is kind of silly


Doesnt link's shirt in the new LoZ have the Shiekah emblem on it? sounds like Impa would be involved in that.
EDIT never mind

 

[BluePikmin11]

Just talking about the reactions really.

Nothing happens when someone brings up an unlikely character, but when I bring one up, you're all on fire.

except there is a popularity standpoint from the ballot.

plus calling young link the top zelda character when Impa exists is kind of silly


Doesnt link's shirt in the new LoZ have the Shiekah emblem on it? sounds like Impa would be involved in that.

Let me be more specific, one of the top Zelda contenders that could get in pre-ballot or not.
Young Link and Toon Zelda would've been planned pre-ballot since it's clear they aren't going to win a large amount of votes.

 

[Diddy Kong]

except there is a popularity standpoint from the ballot.

plus calling young link the top zelda character when Impa exists is kind of silly


Doesnt link's shirt in the new LoZ have the Shiekah emblem on it? sounds like Impa would be involved in that.

Oh Lord you really want me to start the New Age of the Impa Propaganda don't you!?

Where was that Sheikah emblem?

 

[Curious Villager]

I think we should just leave it at "contenders" and just leave it at that..... :T

Although I do agree that some characters (Especially ones who where included, considered or planned in the past or for this game) may have a larger shot when it comes to pre-ballot inclusions.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Oh Lord you really want me to start the New Age of the Impa Propaganda don't you!?

Where was that Sheikah emblem?

just looked at it. assuming shiek's shirt is the shiekah emblem then what i was told is incorrect

 

[False Sense]

Let me be more specific, one of the top Zelda contenders that could get in pre-ballot or not.
Young Link and Toon Zelda would've been planned pre-ballot since it's clear they aren't going to win a large amount of votes.

Now, here's my question: just how many pre-ballot characters do we think have been planned?

Obviously, Mewtwo and Lucas were, and Roy and Ryu would be as well. But beyond that, we don't have any indication of further plans. Now that we have the ballot, I would imagine that we'll see significantly less pre-planned characters added in favor of adding characters based on the ballot. I could see someone like Wolf being pre-planned after the original four, but beyond that, I think we'd see characters from the ballot instead.

 

[FalKoopa]

Actually, speaking of transformations, no one brought up that transformations were completely removed in Smash 4. Have fun with that.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Now, here's my question: just how many pre-ballot characters do we think have been planned?

Obviously, Mewtwo and Lucas were, and Roy and Ryu would be as well. But beyond that, we don't have any indication of further plans. Now that we have the ballot, I would imagine that we'll see significantly less pre-planned characters added in favor of adding characters based on the ballot. I could see someone like Wolf being pre-planned after the original four, but beyond that, I think we'd see characters from the ballot instead.

I think we have more pre-ballot characters than ballot characters really, we have 4 characters now who were added non-ballot, I'm sure Sakurai has more of those kinds of characters planned than ballot characters really.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

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[Burruni]

Actually, speaking of transformations, no one brought up that transformations were completely removed in Smash 4. Have fun with that.

I did... Against the grounds of a MM-inspired moveset for Young Link.
Because the alternative is to have the model fluidly shift between the four main forms for any moves that used the transformation.

 

[False Sense]

I think we have more pre-ballot characters than ballot characters really, we have 4 characters now who were added non-ballot, I'm sure Sakurai has more of those kinds of characters planned than ballot characters really.

And what's your reasoning for that?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I did... Against the grounds of a MM-inspired moveset for Young Link.
Because the alternative is to have the model fluidly shift between the four main forms for any moves that used the transformation.

When I say 'MM inspired moveset' I mean YLink uses the non transformation masks, UpB is bunny hood, down b blast mask, etc

 

[Champ Gold]

Now, here's my question: just how many pre-ballot characters do we think have been planned?

Obviously, Mewtwo and Lucas were, and Roy and Ryu would be as well. But beyond that, we don't have any indication of further plans. Now that we have the ballot, I would imagine that we'll see significantly less pre-planned characters added in favor of adding characters based on the ballot. I could see someone like Wolf being pre-planned after the original four, but beyond that, I think we'd see characters from the ballot instead.

Pretty much. Most of the characters pre-planned are highly requested veterans coming back. He rest are ballot characters or someone like Ryu where there was deal already planned out

 

[BluePikmin11]

And what's your reasoning for that?

Meh, I don't really have a reason, to put in simple terms, he's probably going to have a mix of unpopular and popular newcomers again just like what he did with Melee, Brawl, and Smash 4.
It seems to going that direction with the previously non-requested Ryu being added in the roster.