Character Discussion Thread

[BaganSmashBros]

1. Ridley
2. Radley
3. Roidley
4. Rudeley
5. K.Rooldley
6. K.Rool
7. Mewtwo that doesn't sucks, but still has this awesome voice.

In that order.

 

[Champ Gold]

Thats what they make you think. You just don't know the whole story. "Mario" is just a nickname for "DK"...Their goal always was to...expand...
...jokes aside, K.Rool and co' are not related to Mario anyhow just like Waluigi is not related to Wario Land and WarioWare. They appeared in Mario games, yes, but those were spin-offs.

Tell me about it...At least they don't have upper jaw awkwardly moving up when they open their mouth.

Well considering K. Rool, Diddy and Funky Kong were all over in Mario spinoffs, they still fit that umbrella. They all exist in the same as universe, world and while their games don't connect, they are still the same and it's irrelevant if you remember Baby Wario and Baby DK in Yoshi's Island DS


Plus look at the Smash CSS, all Mario characters are on the same row, never separated

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Link is just a problem of Sakurai being stupid with the CSS and G&W is featured as a Mario character with that Game & Watch Gallery.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Well considering K. Rool, Diddy and Funky Kong were all over in Mario spinoffs, they still fit that umbrella. They all exist in the same as universe, world and while their games don't connect, they are still the same and it's irrelevant if you remember Baby Wario and Baby DK in Yoshi's Island DS


Plus look at the Smash CSS, all Mario characters are on the same row, never separated
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Link is just a problem of Sakurai being stupid with the CSS and G&W is featured as a Mario character with that Game & Watch Gallery.

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Punch Out!! is my favorite Mario spin-off.

 

[Burruni]

Yeah but Mario revived gaming. DK doesn't hold that umbrella anymore and hasn't had it in 30 years. 30 YEARS. It's called Mario Kart, Mario Party and Mario Sports for a REASON. It ain't call Donkey Kong Party, Wario Sports or Yoshi Kart

Or it's because Mario is the common point from them all.
DK, Wario, and Yoshi appeared in at least one major mario game before the first Mario spinoff they joined.
But DK's never been in Wario Land, Yoshi's never been in Donkey Kong Country, and Wario wasn't in a Yoshi title until he was retroactively added in Yoshi's Island DS.

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Well considering K. Rool, Diddy and Funky Kong were all over in Mario spinoffs, they still fit that umbrella. They all exist in the same as universe, world and while their games don't connect, they are still the same and it's irrelevant if you remember Baby Wario and Baby DK in Yoshi's Island DS


Plus look at the Smash CSS, all Mario characters are on the same row, never separated
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"All Mario characters are on the same row."

 

[A Distant Demon]

Well considering K. Rool, Diddy and Funky Kong were all over in Mario spinoffs, they still fit that umbrella. They all exist in the same as universe, world and while their games don't connect, they are still the same and it's irrelevant if you remember Baby Wario and Baby DK in Yoshi's Island DS


Plus look at the Smash CSS, all Mario characters are on the same row, never separated
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Link is just a problem of Sakurai being stupid with the CSS and G&W is featured as a Mario character with that Game & Watch Gallery.

DK is there because the css is ordered by year of relaese. Dk was he same year as mario's first game. it is why G&W is so early.

 

[Champ Gold]

Punch Out!! is my favorite Mario spin-off.

Mario is a ref in the NES game and DK is a fighter in the Wii game

Or it's because Mario is the common point from them all.
DK, Wario, and Yoshi appeared in at least one major mario game before the first Mario spinoff they joined.
But DK's never been in Wario Land, Yoshi's never been in Donkey Kong Country, and Wario wasn't in a Yoshi title until he was retroactively added in Yoshi's Island DS.

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"All Mario characters are on the same row."

You think you're funny huh.

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DK is there because the css is ordered by year of relaese. Dk was he same year as mario's first game. it is why G&W is so early.

CSS goes that way AFTER the Mario row.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Mario is a ref in the NES game and DK is a fighter in the Wii game



You think you're funny huh.


CSS goes that way AFTER the Mario row.

then why is dk not immediately after mario because they originated in the same game. the whole CSS is oredered by CSS then character. DK is after the mario series.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Mario is a ref in the NES game and DK is a fighter in the Wii game



You think you're funny huh.


CSS goes that way AFTER the Mario row.

By saying everything is Mario you're acting kind of ignorant, PacMan and Sonic were in Mario games, why aren't they there with Dr Mario?
In case you didn't notice it goes from date character existed to order of characters appearances

 

[Kenith]

The CSS is organized by series debut with the exception of the clones and DLC characters.
Mario and Donkey Kong debuted at the same time, but Mario goes first because Mario. Characters like Mr. Game and Watch and Little Mac fill up extra spaces on the side.

Why does this matter to anything?

 

[Champ Gold]

then why is dk not immediately after mario because they originated in the same game. the whole CSS is oredered by CSS then character. DK is after the mario series.

It is after Mario, Wario and Yoshi are more closer to it. I would go with that theory if it was the 3DS CSS where G&W blocks off DK but it doesn't.

 

[BaganSmashBros]

Why does this matter to anything?

Seriously, why does this matters?

 

[TKactual]

A wanted list, can't really order them, to hard, don't want to think that much.

Sami
Grunt
Wonder Red
Inklings
Isaac
Lloyd
Ghirahim
Bandanna Dee
King K. Rool
Waluigi
Hector
Lyn
Poliwag

 

[Kenith]

The point he was trying to make was that Ashley could be classified as a Mario character, which is completely and utterly false.
Wario counts as a Mario character, none of the characters from his two series do because they've never appeared in a Mario game.

 

[A Distant Demon]

It is after Mario, Wario and Yoshi are more closer to it. I would go with that theory if it was the 3DS CSS where G&W blocks off DK but it doesn't.

Its based off of character debut. DK would be between mario and luigi. But he isnt. He is specifically seperated because of his series just like every other unique series. Wario and yoshi are put in the same series but DK is specifically put out of the order. For DK to be considered in the mario universe in smash he would have to be an exception to the rule. But he isnt and diddy and him are put AFTER the mario series by themselves.

 

[BaganSmashBros]

The point he was trying to make was that Ashley could be classified as a Mario character, which is completely and utterly false.
Wario counts as a Mario character, none of the characters from his two series do because they've never appeared in a Mario game.

Now thats just stupid. Whats next? Every character that was exclusive with Playstation stuff (Crash and co.) is now Nintendo character because Playstation originally was (more-or-less) a Nintendo console before they said nope?

 

[Champ Gold]

I'm saying that Ashley is "TECHNICALLY" a Mario character, not that she IS one.


It's like a family tree thing. She's not a part of the immediate family but she is part of the extended family

 

[Kenith]

I'm saying that Ashley is "TECHNICALLY" a Mario character, not that she IS one.

No, she is "technically" not. In fact if we're technical she's even less of a Mario character because she's never appeared in a Mario game. WarioWare isn't an extension of Mario, it's its own series. Starring a character who originated in Mario does not change that.

If that were the case, then "technically" every Mario character, Wario and Yoshi is a Donkey Kong character.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

No, she is "technically" not. In fact if we're technical she's even less of a Mario character because she's never appeared in a Mario game. WarioWare isn't an extension of Mario, it's its own series. Starring a character who originated in Mario does not change that.

If that were the case, then "technically" every Mario character in the roster is a Donkey Kong character.

So THAT'S why Sakurai ignores requests for more DK characters!

 

[Champ Gold]

No, she is "technically" not. In fact if we're technical she's even less of a Mario character because she's never appeared in a Mario game. WarioWare isn't an extension of Mario, it's its own series. Starring a character who originated in Mario does not change that.

If that were the case, then "technically" every Mario character in the roster is a Donkey Kong character.

Like I said, a family tree thing. You are absolutely right, she isn't a Mario character and none of them are but DK, Yoshi and Wario are. they have made their debut in games and Mario debuted in Donkey Kong but spinoff and became its own thing and it's own thing became something bigger than what Donkey Kong was.

may not have the same series or the he same games but they are all related to each other by default of where they been. Just atleast acknowledged THAT.

 

[Kenith]

By that logic, every series in Smash is related because they all appear in Smash together. Maybe that's true, but what's the point?
If Ashley gets in she's not a Mario character, she's a WarioWare character. If Waluigi gets in, he's a Mario character.

 

[BaganSmashBros]

And by that logic, Nintendo owns Playstation. But it doesn't. Not even "technically". Also, KI is part of Metroid, LoZ is part of Mario, etc.

 

[A Distant Demon]

We went from boobs to LoZ is a part of mario.


Well then.
New new topic. . . Toad or captain toad?

 

[Spinosaurus]

I seeiously view and as guest characters in the spinoffs than actual Mario characters nowadays, especially since they never appeared in a main game. (SML2 and SM64DS are incredibly weird cases that it's not worth arguing about)

 

[LasermasterA]

Wanted list:

1) Isaac
2) Bearded Isaac
3) Chibi Isaac
4) First Blonde Venus Adept
5) Yellow scarf adept who came first
6) The first Golden Sun protagonist
7) Felix



Actual list:

1) Isaac

Rest in no particular order (although I don't expect their chances to be high, if at all):

Wonder Red
Hector
Sami
Andy
Dark Samus
Lyndis
Elma
Fiora
King of Bel
Neku
Crono
Impa
Ryu Hayabusa

 

[JamesDNaux]

Every character is a Mario character because Mario is the mascot of Nintendo. Third parties excluded of course.



Do I win?

 

[Champ Gold]

By that logic, every series in Smash is related because they all appear in Smash together. Maybe that's true, but what's the point?
If Ashley gets in she's not a Mario character, she's a WarioWare character. If Waluigi gets in, he's a Mario character.

And by that logic, Nintendo owns Playstation. But it doesn't. Not even "technically". Also, KI is part of Metroid, LoZ is part of Mario, etc.

Outside the PS thing, Nintendo franchises do share the whole common thing together. Not for saying their part of one franchise but part of a universal thing as a whole. Majority of franchises are closer together than most others. Kai and Metroid are close together because their NES games ran on the same engine and how their development had small connections with each other. But that does not mean they are part of the same family. Star Fox and F-Zero had so many references to each other and considering how Myamoto pushed those two together so much they have a small connection, not part of their family. Each Nintendo franchise has atleast one connection to each other but it doesn't mean they all fall from the same tree.

Besides it's mostly in joking manner and all.

 

[BaganSmashBros]

Every character is a Mario character because Mario is the mascot of Nintendo. Third parties excluded of course.



Do I win?

No, third party characters must be included because they are video game characters and Mario is such too.
I win.

We went from boobs to LoZ is a part of mario.


Well then.
New new topic. . . Toad or captain toad?

We already have a playable amphibian.

 

[RobinOnDrugs]

This thread can have some pretty silly arguments sometimes.

 

[Burruni]

- Sibling Series. All were part of the same at some point but spanned out for their own series, some more dependant on their home than others, but will always make appearances when needed.

- Half Sibling Series, same creator and will make some in-jokes to one another, maybe a few cameos, but not much else.

/+ "Wars" Series - Cousin Series, originated on the same engine. A rare joke on similarities but not much else.

- Distant Relatives, makers have personal ties and will exchange hands on some projects and ideas.

 

[ZeldaFan01]

We went from boobs to LoZ is a part of mario.


Well then.
New new topic. . . Toad or captain toad?

But what about B move? Isn't that what stands in his way?

 

[A Distant Demon]

This community can have some pretty silly arguments sometimes.

Fixed

But what about B move? Isn't that what stands in his way?

toad is a species so that could be any old toad.

But we do know it isnt captain toad.

 

[Kenith]

We could talk about Ghirahim some more.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

We could talk about Ghirahim some more.

Yes, more Ghirahim is good, He's so good I kept calling the FE8 protagonist Ephrahim

 

[A Distant Demon]

We could talk about Ghirahim some more.

But he is deconfirmed so we arent allowed to

 

[Kenith]

But what about B move? Isn't that what stands in his way?

Toad? Maybe.
Captain Toad though, not at all. He's a completely different character.

 

[TKactual]

We went from boobs to LoZ is a part of mario.


Well then.
New new topic. . . Toad or captain toad?

If I have to have one... Captain Toad but I'd rather have neither.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

But he is deconfirmed so we arent allowed to

Yeah, shame on you for supporting this utter impossible character!

Lets talk about EShop bag some more.

 

[Kenith]

I don't even like Toad that much but I feel like Captain Toad is probably the best choice for a DLC newcomer we could get at the moment.
Even moreso than King K. Rool and Isaac. They make up the Elites of Smash 4 DLC newcomers.

But he is deconfirmed so we arent allowed to

Oh right, I forgot.
(seriously, those support threads should get reopened)

 

[Champ Gold]

But what about B move? Isn't that what stands in his way?

All Toads look alike, so it doesn't matter. Aside from Toadette and Toadsworth.

 

[ZeldaFan01]

Toad? Maybe.
Captain Toad though, not at all. He's a completely different character.

In that case, the more Mario characters the merrier!

About Ghirahim, he definitely deserves to be upgraded to playable character
I do wish I knew why Sakurai grouped him, Skull Kid and Midna together as ATs. That would be my number one question to him. To me, Skull kid is the only one who should've been an AT