Character Discussion Thread

[FalKoopa]

The ESRB is probably not Sakurai's main concern at all. As long as blood doesn't gush out (Which I highly doubt), I think most of those attacks are fine for the most part, we had plenty of "worse" attacks before in Smash. (Snake's pummel and throws for example.)

They did make sure to dodge the T rating though, which was there since Melee.

 

[Frostwraith]

If Tharja's trophy was removed likely due to avoiding higher age ratings, I highly doubt Bayonetta is the sort of character that would be considered for Smash.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

The ESRB is probably not Sakurai's main concern at all. As long as blood doesn't gush out (Which I highly doubt), I think most of those attacks are fine for the most part, we had plenty of "worse" attacks before in Smash. (Snake's pummel and throws for example.)

Bayonetta Torture Attacks:
> Guillotine
> Spike Wheel
> Coffin with Spikes in it

Snake Throws:
> Pummel = Neck Snapping/chokehold
> Throws or regular throws via CQC

That's not really a strong comparison. One is literally killing the opponent while the other is a means of dealing with opponents in a purposely non-lethal way. AT WORST Snake's pummel is the worst part, and even then I don't think it's that bad.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Ehhh, I don't want to be that guy, but a lot of Sonic characters have potential. Especially from Sonic Battle and Sonic The Fighters.

I've been saying that for a while now!
But yes, he'd be my number one pick for another Sega character.

However, I would like to say that while I don't really like Eggman/Robotnik, I think he has the potential to be a cool character. They could base him off this:

Spoiler

This was discussed a long time ago but if he were to appear like this, I'd support.

Now if only he had his quotes for taunts or victory animations. I wouldn't mind Mike Pollock saying "Get a load of this!" every time he fired a laser or even say "Charge" during his dash attack.

Eggman is basically the only Sonic character I can get behind since Biwser Jr. opens the door for more mech fighters in the roster. You know what they say, the more the merrier!

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Honestly, Tharja doesn't really have a problem as now that I thin about it, Smash and FE:Awakening have the same age rating. At least in Europe anyway

 

[BluePikmin11]

It's at least a comparison, if Sakurai finds a move that's too explicit, he'll just find an alternative, there's still a huge library of attacks Bayonetta can use that are less explicit. She's almost like Frieza, she never runs out of attacks.

 

[Frostwraith]

Honestly, Tharja doesn't really have a problem as now that I thin about it, Smash and FE:Awakening have the same age rating. At least in Europe anyway

In Europe, yeah, both games were rated 12+ by PEGI.

In North America, ESRB rated Fire Emblem: Awakening as T (13+), while Smash Wii U/3DS is E10+.

Same goes for Japan, as FEA was rated B (12+) by CERO, while Smash Wii U/3DS was rated A (all ages).

 

[Cutie Gwen]

In Europe, yeah, both games were rated 12+ by PEGI.

In North America, ESRB rated Fire Emblem: Awakening as T (13+), while Smash Wii U/3DS is E10+.

Same goes for Japan, as FEA was rated B (12+) by CERO, while Smash Wii U/3DS was rated A (all ages).

US was the only one? Strange as the US version of FE mentions Tharja's 'boingy bits'

 

[ZeldaFan01]

Now if only he had his quotes for taunts or victory animations. I wouldn't mind Mike Pollock saying "Get a load of this!" every time he fired a laser or even say "Charge" during his dash attack.

Eggman is basically the only Sonic character I can get behind since Biwser Jr. opens the door for more mech fighters in the roster. You know what they say, the more the merrier!

I actually think Blaze or Tails would considered before him (I don't like Knuckles) because they've both been Sonic's partners/good friends for a really long time and....I just really like them a lot Bur in the end Sonic just needs a partner and one of them will do just fine.
I mean wasn't Tails considered for Melee? That has to at least back him up a little bit right?

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Honestly, Tharja doesn't really have a problem as now that I thin about it, Smash and FE:Awakening have the same age rating. At least in Europe anyway

With Tharja out of the running, Cia is arguably on the same boat (Though most Hyrule Warriors fans care more about Lana anyway).

Now that I think about it, both Medusa and Cia are alike being dark seductive villainessses who were trumped by a more popular new character in the end (Hades and Lana respectively). Such a shame that my girlfriend voted for these two even though they have a snowball's chance in hell. :/

 

[WeirdChillFever]

I think a spike wheel is not any harsher than BJr's drills snapping backs, and the coffin could be replaced with a normal looking box with swords in them (magician style)

With Tharja out of the running, Cia is arguably on the same boat (Though most Hyrule Warriors fans care more about Lana anyway).

Now that I think about it, both Medusa and Cia are alike being dark seductive villainessses who were trumped by a more popular new character in the end (Hades and Lana respectively). Such a shame that my girlfriend voted for these two even though they have a snowball's chance in hell. :/

Two.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Two.

Two snowballs? Won't that mean giving more of chance than what they have?

 

[Frostwraith]

US was the only one? Strange as the US version of FE mentions Tharja's 'boingy bits'

No, I did say Japan did the same.

Only in Europe do FEA and Smash 4 have the same age rating.

For Japan and North America, FEA has higher age ratings than Smash.

It's at least a comparison, if Sakurai finds a move that's too explicit, he'll just find an alternative, there's still a huge library of attacks Bayonetta can use that are less explicit.

Bayonetta without being sexually explicit and provocative isn't Bayonetta.

It's not just the sexual stuff. It's her entire personality.

If you censor the sexual explicitness and her provocative one-liners, all the appeal of her character is gone. She's meant to be a femme fatale. She's meant to be daring.

For her to be in Smash, she would have to be toned down a lot to preserve the lighthearted tone of the game, but doing so would destroy what makes her character unique and appealing. It would remove what makes Bayonetta what she is.

Even Ganondorf, with his ever-controversial Falcon semi-clone status, has the essential points about his character there: he's evil, he's powerful, he has dark magical powers. You can look at him and note he's evil and very powerful.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

No, I did say Japan did the same.

Only in Europe do FEA and Smash 4 have the same age rating.

For Japan and North America, FEA has higher age ratings than Smash.

But Japan is the only one with the Tharja trophy, I was moreso talking about the only one that censored it, Japan had the trophy and Europe had the same agerating

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

If we get a new Sonic rep, I want Cream and flippin' Cheese. The most kawaii characters in the entire franchise.

But yeah, if Sonic sees a new rep, I'd put money on Tails or Knuckles.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

If we get a new Sonic rep, I want Cream and flippin' Cheese. The most kawaii characters in the entire franchise.

But yeah, if Sonic sees a new rep, I'd put money on Tails or Knuckles.

Judging by Sonic Advance 2 they'd be too powerful

 

[JaidynReiman]

With Tharja out of the running, Cia is arguably on the same boat (Though most Hyrule Warriors fans care more about Lana anyway).

Now that I think about it, both Medusa and Cia are alike being dark seductive villainessses who were trumped by a more popular new character in the end (Hades and Lana respectively). Such a shame that my girlfriend voted for these two even though they have a snowball's chance in hell. :/

I think its more specifically Lana fans. I love Hyrule Warriors, but I swear to God there's no chance of Lana or any of the exclusive HW characters to even get a trophy in Smash, let alone a playable character. If Hyrule Warriors gets representation, it'd be Impa if anyone.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Bayonetta without being sexually explicit and provocative isn't Bayonetta.

It's not just the sexual stuff. It's her entire personality.

If you censor the sexual explicitness and her provocative one-liners, all the appeal of her character is gone. She's meant to be a femme fatale. She's meant to be daring.

For her to be in Smash, she would have to be toned down a lot to preserve the lighthearted tone of the game, but doing so would destroy what makes her character unique and appealing. It would remove what makes Bayonetta what she is.

I don't she would be toned down to the point where she shows no open skin at all, at least tone it to the point her parts aren't so obviously shown (Think of it like ZSS's shorts), just brighten it up a bit like how most Magical Girl animes do it.

She can show some skin and be somewhat proactive to bring her appeal, but not to that obvious point where it's near nude.

 

[FalKoopa]

Is Bayonetta even a popular request?

 

[MoveMan1]

I'm starting to lose faith over this DLC deal after the whole fiasco over Mewtwo's special moves.

I mean, I'd be okay if they had TOLD US that there wouldn't be any, but they said nothing, not even a disclaimer. It's like they were scared of not getting sales.

And if they're scared of not getting sales, what's stopping them from putting in what they think will sell, over what the fans actually want?

 

[TKactual]

I'm starting to lose faith over this DLC deal after the whole fiasco over Mewtwo's special moves.

I mean, I'd be okay if they had TOLD US that there wouldn't be any, but they said nothing, not even a disclaimer. It's like they were scared of not getting sales.

And if they're scared of not getting sales, what's stopping them from putting in what they think will sell, over what the fans actually want?

But what the fans actually want will sell well, because the fans are the ones buying the stuff. Plus nintendo doesn't make a real big habit of ignoring fans.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Is Bayonetta even a popular request?

She's a very popular request, continuously doing great in each poll people post. She's all over Tumblr too.
Are you aware of the polls that posted across the internet? I thought we would all know by now, we had 28 days to notice the crazy amount of requests.

 

[FalKoopa]

She's a very popular request, continuously doing great in each poll people post. She's all over Tumblr too.
Are you aware of the polls that posted across the internet? I thought we would all know by now, we had 28 days to notice the crazy amount of requests.

Eh, I don't visit Tumblr except when collecting fan art, so I don't know.

I don't ever remember seeing a 'crazy' amount of requests though. Do you have any links?

 

[Burruni]

Is Bayonetta even a popular request?

She's.... around Rayman tier of demand. Just instead of having a trophy in Smash and an Omni leak, she has sex appeal and being part of a company with a really good history with Nintendo.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Eh, I don't visit Tumblr except when collecting fan art, so I don't know.

I don't ever remember seeing a 'crazy' amount of requests though. Do you have any links?

I don't visit tumblr either, but I always hear from the members here that requesting there is abnormally big there.
I don't have much links, but there are some famous YouTubers and many editors across the internet who have Bayonetta on their wish lists. Just search Bayonetta DLC ballot and you will see a multitude of people who want her in.
There's the subreddit poll, where she has a large amount of requests.

 

[Dinoman96]

Said it once, and I'll say it again: Regardless of how good her games are, Bayonetta is nowhere near a 'gaming all-star' like Sonic, Snake, Mega Man, Pac-Man, and Ryu. She's the protagonist of two niche games made by a niche company.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I get it ok.
We'll just agree to disagree.
I don't think being a gaming all-star would matter that much, as long as their third-party franchise is noticeably popular, I think they are qualifiable for the Smash ballot.

 

[FalKoopa]

She's.... around Rayman tier of demand. Just instead of having a trophy in Smash and an Omni leak, she has sex appeal and being part of a company with a really good history with Nintendo.

I don't visit tumblr either, but I always hear from the members here that requesting there is abnormally big there.
I don't have much links, but there are some famous YouTubers and many editors across the internet who have Bayonetta on their wish lists. Just search Bayonetta DLC ballot and you will see a multitude of people who want her in.
There's the subreddit poll, where she has a large amount of requests.

I see.

I have little knowledge on her, as character's strange style and design kind of turned me off honestly. I can't say sex appeal being a part of the character is good for her chances though. And I don't think we're getting a lot of 3rd parties, so I won't expect her.

 

[Dinoman96]

I get it ok.
We'll just agree to disagree.
I don't think being a gaming all-star would matter that much, as long as their third-party franchise is noticeably popular, I think they are qualifiable for the Smash ballot.

I wouldn't exactly call Bayonetta "popular". Before you bring up polls and such, keep in mind that those only really make up a very small portion of the people who play Smash, let alone video games in general.

And I do think "being a gaming all-star" does matter a lot. Smash Bros. is predominately a celebration of Nintendo and their video games. Having non-Nintendo characters in something like this will most certainly have people turn their heads and raise their eyebrows. So really, it's best to let only the big icons have a shot in Smash, the ones that are ultimately important and famous enough to warrant "invading" a Nintendo crossover game like this. Just letting in any old third party character like Shovel Knight or Bayonetta honestly muddens the whole specialty of third party inclusions and it would make Smash feel more like PSABR.

 

[Burruni]

I see.

I have little knowledge on her, as character's strange style and design kind of turned me off honestly. I can't say sex appeal being a part of the character is good for her chances though. And I don't think we're getting a lot of 3rd parties, so I won't expect her.

As much flak as I get for saying this, I personally feel like we already have a "toned down" Bayonetta who retains her flexibility, agility, and combination of guns and whips as her primary weapons (including the heel guns) on the roster. Maybe it's that both are targetted by the same "kinds of fans," the way that the new Rocket Heels function like a toned down version of Bayonetta's classic heels, and the fact that at some point I swear I saw ZSS added with a mole/beauty mark in the same place as the Umbra Witch.

In fact, I remember a great old joke when she was first revealed that "Because her Final Smash won't be putting the Power Suit back on, she'll do an Umbra Climax in which her suit will morph into a torso-up version of Ridley that will wreck havoc on the stage."

Edit: Yes I know Bayonetta has a WIDE arsenal of weaponry, the most a Platinum Star protagonist has gotten excluding The Wonderful 101. But the ones that are most predominant are her guns and occasionally the whips.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

As much flak as I get for saying this, I personally feel like we already have a "toned down" Bayonetta who retains her flexibility, agility, and combination of guns and whips as her primary weapons (including the heel guns) on the roster. Maybe it's that both are targetted by the same "kinds of fans," the way that the new Rocket Heels function like a toned down version of Bayonetta's classic heels, and the fact that at some point I swear I saw ZSS added with a mole/beauty mark in the same place as the Umbra Witch.

In fact, I remember a great old joke when she was first revealed that "Because her Final Smash won't be putting the Power Suit back on, she'll do an Umbra Climax in which her suit will morph into a torso-up version of Ridley that will wreck havoc on the stage."

Edit: Yes I know Bayonetta has a WIDE arsenal of weaponry, the most a Platinum Star protagonist has gotten excluding The Wonderful 101. But the ones that are most predominant are her guns and occasionally the whips.

Actually, that mole was in M:OM too
Epic final smash idea though

 

[BluePikmin11]

I wouldn't exactly call Bayonetta "popular". Before you bring up polls and such, keep in mind that those only really make up a very small portion of the people who play Smash, let alone video games in general.

I still see her commonly requested in almost every gaming site imaginable, tumblr and twitter included.
If that doesn't show she's really popular, then I don't know what does.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I still see her commonly requested in almost every gaming site imaginable, tumblr and twitter included.
If that doesn't show she's really popular, then I don't know what does.

I've seen more Shrek requests than Bayo requests. Would still like Bayo one day

 

[BluePikmin11]

She's noticeably popular enough to get considered by Sakurai, so talking about popularity is kinda pointless at this point.

 

[FalKoopa]

Well, would Sega agree to Bayonetta over a Sonic character though? There's far more profit in the latter.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I don't think another Sonic character would be brought up at all, if Sakurai asked SEGA about using the character, the only thing they can really do is agree or disagree.

 

[Burruni]

Let's assume that Sonic as a series isn't getting a second character added any time soon.
Let's assume SEGA gets the go ahead to "nominate" another character as a third party.
Would they go with the far less significant IPs they made and brought up like NiGHTs or Super Monkey Ball?
Do they go ballsy to try to press the scandalous Bayonetta?
Or would they go to try to promote Atlus, a company that has had a good history with Nintendo particularly with recent SMT titles and the long running of the Etrian Oddesy series?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Let's assume that Sonic as a series isn't getting a second character added any time soon.
Let's assume SEGA gets the go ahead to "nominate" another character as a third party.
Would they go with the far less significant IPs they made and brought up like NiGHTs or Super Monkey Ball?
Do they go ballsy to try to press the scandalous Bayonetta?
Or would they go to try to promote Atlus, a company that has had a good history with Nintendo particularly with recent SMT titles and the long running of the Etrian Oddesy series?

Atlus is the most logical, especially with FExSMT

 

[FalKoopa]

I don't think another Sonic character would be brought up at all, if Sakurai asked SEGA about using the character, the only thing they can really do is agree or disagree.

I suppose, but this begs the question would Sakurai suggest Bayonetta over a Sonic character, because, again, there's more profit in the latter, and Sega would willingly give their consent.

I guess there's no definite answer to that.

 

[Burruni]

Atlus is the most logical, especially with FExSMT

JACK FROST FOR SMASH.

Yes I will keep plugging this guy any time that extra third parties under our current companies gets brought up xD