Character Discussion Thread

[Spinosaurus]

I can't seem to find anything on them being in Fever. Then again, it could be Google failing me.
And what a coincidence! Karate Joe has a trophy as well.

Yeah they appear in one of the Bonus Games.

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EDIT: Good call on Game&Wario!

 

[Substitution]

Yeah they appear in one of the Bonus Games.

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EDIT: Good call on Game&Wario!

Well I'll give you that.
But I can't say I feel the same for Game & Wario. Really now, it's a brief cameo at best. And I can't say that's enough to be considered substantial.

 

[pupNapoleon]

To Karate Joe's defense, one thing he does have is consistency, as he's been in all three Rhythm Heaven games, whereas Chorus Kids have only appeared on the DS game. Edit: They are in Fever, so that's two.
Also, last time I checked adorableness wasn't exactly top priority for Rhythm Heaven. So no, he wouldn't be a "misrepresentation".

But that's just my opinion.

Perhaps I wasn't clear. They are adorable, and that is amazing. They are expressive and have a clear personality, as well as a unique theme. That puts them miles ahead of KJ. Their wackiness is what makes them more suited for RH as a rep. All of those traits are not things Joe has.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Yeah they appear in one of the Bonus Games.

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EDIT: Good call on Game&Wario!

I'm honestly curious, why do people have a hard time believing that that's Marshal? His arms and legs are more similar to Marshal's (Chorus Men's limbs are more short and stuby) and he has red rosey checks like Marshal and unlike the Chorus Men.

 

[Senselessbreak]

I'm honestly curious, why do people have a hard time believing that that's Marshal? His arms and legs are more similar to Marshal's (Chorus Men's limbs are more short and stuby) and he has red rosey checks like Marshal and unlike the Chorus Men.

Maybe its the mouth. The lips of the Chorus kids are hanging to the right, just like the one in this mini game. Also note the teeth are sharp, unlike Marshal, who has more rounder teeth. Also Marshal has fingers, while the Fever character doesn't. Finally it looks like the Fever character has a black bowtie. Something Marshal doesn't have.

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[JaidynReiman]

People also expected Toad, Waluigi, Paper Mario, K. Rool, Dixie, Cranky, Impa, Ghirahim, Tingle, Bandanna Dee, Krystal, Ridley, Dark Samus, Metroid Hunter, Zoroark, Kalos Trainer, Medusa, Hades, Louie, Tom Nook, Isabelle, Takumaru, Dillon, Wonder Red, Isaac, Ray, Bayonetta, Saki, Prince Sable, Simon Belmont, someone from Square Enix, due to how popular they were.

Not really. That's a pretty broad definition, and even then, half of these weren't "expected" by anybody. Some thought they were "likely," but "expected"?


Toad, Waluigi, Paper Mario, K. Rool, Dixie Kong, Ghirahim, Tingle, Bandana Dee, Krystal, Ridley, Zoroark, Tom Nook, Takamaru, and Isaac are the only ones on there that a significant number of people truly "expected" at one point or another, and most only thought these were somewhat "likely."


Cranky had a decent fanbase and many wanted him over K. Rool/Dixie, but I can't think of many that outright "expected" him over Dixie and K. Rool. Impa was never really expected by anyone (ok, I guess I did expect her prior to Sheik's reveal, then most wrote her off), nor was Dark Samus or... Metroid Hunter? Kalos Trainer was a semi-common suggestion, but again, can't really say it was "Expected." Many wanted Hades, and several thought Medua was the next-best choice, but I can't think of anyone who "expected" them.

Louie, maybe. I expected an AC character and thought Tom Nook was a good choice. Isabelle? Again, maybe a semi-common suggestion. but its not one really brought up that much. Ray, Saki, Bayonetta, and Simon Belmont were fairly common suggestions as well, plus a plausible SE rep.


Prince Sable and "Metroid Hunter" were niche suggestions in the best-case scenario.


There's a huge difference between supporting a character and thinking a character was likely or a viable option, as opposed to blatantly "expecting" a character.


EDIT:
As for the whole Chorus Kids debate, I still say Karate Joe is much more prominent. I guess the style of character of the Chorus Kids have been in every game, but the Chorus Kids were really only in DS (and now 3DS). Its a stretch to say that character in Rhythm Heaven Fever is nothing more than another character of the same "race."


And its notable that Marshall appears in Rhythm Heaven GBA, too. The Night Walk game debuted there. He wasn't really given a name in that game. Then in Fever, Marshal was in that game and then did Night Walk in the credits. Its debatable if its Marshal in both games, but they look very similar and do the exact same minigame.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Play-Yan (the Tengoku Night Walker character) cameos in Fever as well, with an smoother appearance. It's not Marshal.

Also this

 

[Deleted member]

Also this

IIRC, that never actually happens in-game. It's just a fanmade thing.


But yes, Play-Yan from the old Night Walk is not Marshal.
He comes from the interface of the Play-Yan media player peripheral for the GBA in Japan.

 

[Kenith]

PThey are expressive and have a clear personality, as well as a unique theme. That puts them miles ahead of KJ. Their wackiness is what makes them more suited for RH as a rep. All of those traits are not things Joe has.

This seems pretty expressive to me. I unfortunately cannot find a video that isn't a perfect.

 

[Bowserlick]

I think Chrous Kids would lend themselves to a Rhythm Heaven moveset.

Three people: Each attack can be one, two, or three attacks depending on how many times A or B is inputted after the original attack. This might be a good way to represent rhythm.

Also, "Chorus" kids lend their designs to sound attacks with singing and all that.

 

[Masque]

I think Chrous Kids would lend themselves to a Rhythm Heaven moveset.

Three people: Each attack can be one, two, or three attacks depending on how many times A or B is inputted after the original attack. This might be a good way to represent rhythm.

Also, "Chorus" kids lend their designs to sound attacks with singing and all that.

I think this would be an ideal design for their moveset, but I worry that adhering too closely to a set rhythm in the programming would make playing online a real nightmare. As long as the devs allow for a little leeway in terms of the timing of the button presses, I would be totally down for this idea!

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

This certainly doesn't hurt Inkling's chances.

 

[Poopmin]

Chorus kids have appeared in just as many games as Karate Joe. Rhythm Tengoku to Rhythm Heaven 3DS for Joe, DS to 3DS plus Game & Wario for the Kids. Each has a trophy in Smash 3DS. Each is considered the face of Rhythm heaven. It's two sides of the same coin and I'm happy if we at least get one of them.

 

[LucaSmash]

The only time Gematsu was ever right was the E3 2013 leak. The numerous leaks that came after that were lucky guesses. It's RECAP TIME!!!

Let's see the characters the leaker got right even though they were predictable:

• "animal crossing guy"
• Mega Man
• Wii Fit Trainer - the exception
• Little Mac
• Pac-Man
• Mii

Characters who were very predictable:

• Shulk
• Palutena
• "Unknown Pokémon from X & Y" - easy guess

Characters that were flat out wrong:

• Chrom - never planned
• Chorus Kids/Men - not in the game

Characters that the almighty leaker missed because of supposed outdated info:

• Rosalina
• Bowser Jr.
• Lucina
• Robin
• Dark Pit
• Duck Hunt

Shulk predictable??? Sakurai himself said it's not the kind of character Smash Bros would typically have. I don't know who would have expected Shulk had he not been in the Gematsu leak.

 

[Das Koopa]

Chorus Men/KIds are the most likely option regardless of the Gematsu leak when you take Ice Climbers into account. It's a huge coincidence that a Rhythm Heaven character is cut from development when one potential candidates might share the same problems the Ice Climbers did. Otherwise, we're talking about a standard character dropped from development when three clones were still added. Even more of a coincidence, the Ice Climbers and Chorus KIds share the same artifact of existence through a special Smash Run enemy.

The only character left in the files that was dropped from development just happens to be from a series where a multi-character character would've been a good potential candidate.

If you conclude that they were planned, then Gematsu is the most profound set of coincidences on the planet if it's just some old fake. A fake that happens to pop up at the start of development before leaks kick into high gear, a fake that happens to get characters right time and time again, and a fake who's only incorrect sliver of information is a character that was, by the developer's own words, at one point considered early in development. "Early in developmenT" seems to fit the unspecified pokemon character and the mention of Ness/Lucas debate perfectly. So, also a fake narrative never directly stated that just turned out to be true.

Realistically speaking, there was a guy who had mostly accurate information from day 1. That's the biggest thing here.

 

[Kenith]

This is a fan trailer from a while back, but I looked for it because I remember it looking really legitimate.
Also, forget everything I said, I know now that the best Rhythm Heaven character is obviously Lucario.

 

[pupNapoleon]

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This seems pretty expressive to me. I unfortunately cannot find a video that isn't a perfect.

I don't. In it, he has three different expressions- yes- but the scale of difference is 1-3, versus Chorus Kids, which show DRAMATIC expression, meaning, extreme variation. The human psyche will try to perceive a face in anything we see- we LOOK for expressions from faces. The Chorus Kids literally emote and demonstrate personality with the entirety of their being.

I also wonder how far you had to go to find that poor, stagnant example, when in contrast, if you search Chorus Kids, you would be overthrown with perfect, more specific, more vibrant examples.

 

[Kenith]

I don't. In it, he has three different expressions- yes- but the scale of difference is 1-3, versus Chorus Kids, which show DRAMATIC expression, meaning, extreme variation. The human psyche will try to perceive a face in anything we see- we LOOK for expressions from faces. The Chorus Kids literally emote and demonstrate personality with the entirety of their being.
I also wonder how far you had to go to find that poor, stagnant example, when in contrast, if you search Chorus Kids, you would be overthrown with perfect, more specific, more vibrant examples.

I'm not continuing this conversation, it literally serves no purpose and neither party is gaining anything from it. >.>

 

[pupNapoleon]

I'm not continuing this conversation, it literally serves no purpose and neither party is gaining anything from it. >.>

On a personal level, do you actually believe Karate Joe to be as expressive as Chorus Kids?

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Considering all the love they're giving Splatoon, I'm thinking maybe they're gonna give Inkling a shot at Smash whether it's DLC or in the next game. Any thoughts?

 

[Wintropy]

Depends on whether DLC continues or not. Confirming more DLC would suggest that Inkling is a strong possibility.

Otherwise, I'd say there's a very, very, very, very high chance of them appearing in the next game instead. Either way, ink-girl love is always welcome~ <3

 

[Kenith]

On a personal level, do you actually believe Karate Joe to be as expressive as Chorus Kids?

Personal level? On a personal level I don't really care.
But on a functional level, they're about the same to me. I'd say at least Karate Joe's expressions have more value simply because he actually reacts to positive input.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Depends on whether DLC continues or not. Confirming more DLC would suggest that Inkling is a strong possibility.

Otherwise, I'd say there's a very, very, very, very high chance of them appearing in the next game instead. Either way, ink-girl love is always welcome~ <3

Personally, I think there's at least the smallest speck of hope for more DLC, which is all it really took for things to happens like Sonic in Brawl or Robin getting in over Chrom in this title.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Personal level? On a personal level I don't really care.
But on a functional level, they're about the same to me. I'd say at least Karate Joe's expressions have more value simply because he actually reacts to positive input.

Then you're right, no point in continuing this.

 

[Kenith]

Depends on whether DLC continues or not. Confirming more DLC would suggest that Inkling is a strong possibility.
Otherwise, I'd say there's a very, very, very, very high chance of them appearing in the next game instead. Either way, ink-girl love is always welcome~ <3

Well, I think the general consensus is that there will be something else.
It also seems like everyone is pretty okay with Inklings happening.

 

[Wintropy]

Personally, I think there's at least the smallest speck of hope for more DLC, which is all it really took for things to happens like Sonic in Brawl or Robin getting in over Chrom in this title.

Well, agreed on Sonic, but Chrom was for purely pragmatic reasons.

Well, I think the general consensus is that there will be something else.
It also seems like everyone is pretty okay with Inklings happening.

I do think DLC will happen. I have high hopes. :3

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Chrom was for purely pragmatic reasons.

How? Everybody thought Chrom was in because

1. He was highly demanded
2. Gematsu

Even Sal Romano himself was surprised about Robin and Lucina getting in over Chrom.

 

[Wintropy]

How? Everybody thought Chrom was in because

1. He was highly demanded
2. Gematsu

Even Sal Romano himself was surprised about Robin and Lucina getting in over Chrom.

I'm not sure what that has to do with hoping for it to happen, though, unless you're suggesting that it's an example of strange and unexpected things happening as setting a notable precedent for DLC being a thing.

Incidentally, I didn't think Chrom was in because he was highly demanded or Gematsu. I thought he was in because he's the protagonist of the then-newest Fire Emblem game, the game which single-handedly saved the series. I always thought the Avatar was a strong possibility. I just didn't expect them as much as I expected Chrom.

 

[pupNapoleon]

"Inkling Can't get in, they'll just be a Mario clone."

I'm waiting for it. F.L.U.D.D.

 

[Kenith]

I always believed that the Avatar and Lucina were both better representatives of Fire Emblem Awakening than Chrom and thus more likely.
The Avatar was the main character and a selling point of the game, and Lucina was more promoted.
Nobody believed me...

 

[Rymi]

I always believed that the Avatar and Lucina were both better representatives of Fire Emblem Awakening than Chrom and thus more likely.
The Avatar was the main character and a selling point of the game, and Lucina was more promoted.
Nobody believed me...

I would have but watch out someone might come correct you saying avatar wasn't the main character Happened to me

 

[Spazzy_D]

Considering all the love they're giving Splatoon, I'm thinking maybe they're gonna give Inkling a shot at Smash whether it's DLC or in the next game. Any thoughts?

DLC as promotion is one thing, but you can't gauge the public interest in a possible Smash character from a new franchise before the game even debuts. If the game lights the world on fire then yes, we will definitely see the Inklings in the next Smash game. The game could still bomb though, and the characters and concept might just be swept under the rug. No real way to tell yet, although the game and characters do seem to be trending in a positive direction.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Based on the Wii U's future, I think Splatoon is likely to have a decently sized fan-base, at least better than Pikmin's at least.

 

[Spazzy_D]

I think Pikmin 1 levels of success would guarantee the Inklings playable status some time down the road. I really think the game will surpass that level, but like I was saying, you never know.

I remember when Nintendo first announced Project Hammer for the Wii, and people immediately started talking about how awesome the main character for that game would be in Smash. Not saying that that is comparable AT ALL to Splatoon (which is an actual game that is seeing a lot of promotion), but it's funny to think about.

 

[kikaru]

Lucina was more promoted.

I wouldn't weigh Lucina's promotion as heavily as other factors such as her stronger resemblance to Marth and her higher potential for visual distinction when compared to Chrom. IS could have promoted Chrom much more in their bonus/promotional material and I doubt he would still get in, in hindsight.

It makes more sense for Lucina to be a clone of Marth than for Chrom to be a clone of either Marth or Ike since she attempts to mimic Marth in almost every way in Awakening. Additionally, Lucina also enjoys the added benefit of inheriting armor schemes and hair colors from other Fire Emblem ladies, which not only helps distinguish her on screen when Marth is present, but also makes sense as some of her color schemes are inherited from some of her potential mothers. To the inexperienced eye and untrained ear of casual players, it would be much harder to visually and audibly distinguish Chrom from Marth and Ike than it would be to distinguish Lucina.

Even Sal Romano himself was surprised about Robin and Lucina getting in over Chrom.

Not trying to defend Sal but I do believe that when we first saw the banner for Amiibos, which included Lucina, Tom Nook, Toad, etc. Sal did confuse Masked Lucina for Chrom and said, "Pretty sure that's Chrom, at least. I haven't played FE:A, so I dunno if he gets a mask or something." Not that it matters anymore though.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I wouldn't weigh Lucina's promotion as heavily as other factors such as her stronger resemblance to Marth and her higher potential for visual distinction when compared to Chrom. IS could have promoted Chrom much more in their bonus/promotional material and I doubt he would still get in, in hindsight.

It makes more sense for Lucina to be a clone of Marth than for Chrom to be a clone of either Marth or Ike since she attempts to mimic Marth in almost every way in Awakening. Additionally, Lucina also enjoys the added benefit of inheriting armor schemes and hair colors from other Fire Emblem ladies, which not only helps distinguish her on screen when Marth is present, but also makes sense as some of her color schemes are inherited from some of her potential mothers. To the inexperienced eye and untrained ear of casual players, it would be much harder to visually and audibly distinguish Chrom from Marth and Ike than it would be to distinguish Lucina.



Not trying to defend Sal but I do believe that when we first saw the banner for Amiibos, which included Lucina, Tom Nook, Toad, etc. Sal did confuse Masked Lucina for Chrom and said, "Pretty sure that's Chrom, at least. I haven't played FE:A, so I dunno if he gets a mask or something." Not that it matters anymore though.

Sal Romano wasn't the one who got the info, he received his information via email from another source and posted the initial info online as a joke, and when part of it came true he explained where he got it from.

 

[Arcadenik]

I think Pikmin 1 levels of success would guarantee the Inklings playable status some time down the road. I really think the game will surpass that level, but like I was saying, you never know.

I remember when Nintendo first announced Project Hammer for the Wii, and people immediately started talking about how awesome the main character for that game would be in Smash. Not saying that that is comparable AT ALL to Splatoon (which is an actual game that is seeing a lot of promotion), but it's funny to think about.

I remember cringing when people talked about how Project Hammer should have the character in Smash. I was like, "damn, at least wait for the game to actually come out first so we can measure its popularity in sales before we can seriously suggest such character".

This is also why I did not want to support the Inklings until after I see the game actually being this close to release and we can actually measure its popularity in sales before I can take it as a serious candidate for Smash. As far as I am concerned, Splatoon CURRENTLY have not earned the esteemed honor of having a playable character in Smash YET. I mean, Pikmin and Animal Crossing didn't have characters in Melee when they first came out... Wii Fit didn't have a character in Brawl when it first came out... they had to earn their keep. Even Duck Hunt's ever-lasting popularity finally paid off after 30 years - Sakurai himself said that Duck Hunt is pretty important to Nintendo since it sold millions back in the day.

 

[Autumn ♫]

How? Everybody thought Chrom was in because

1. He was highly demanded
2. Gematsu

Even Sal Romano himself was surprised about Robin and Lucina getting in over Chrom.

Just letting you know, I never viewed Chrom as very likely. It was always either Robin or Lucina for me for Awakening, and then Roy for the 4th slot.

 

[SmashChu]

Xenoblade didn't even break one million.

Yes, because there wasn't a limit release for the game and copies aren't going for about 90 bucks.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Yes, because there wasn't a limit release for the game and copies aren't going for about 90 bucks.

That doesn't actually change my point.

It's sought out, but its still niche.