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Scoliosis Jones

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The sum of her roles! Importance to the series! Not recency of defining roles! Surely that is what Sakurai cares about, aye? Relevance matters not a whit, as has been demonstrated innumerable times by our fine friends here at Smashboards.
I doubt that's going to make that much of a difference. Anna has those things, but I would certainly not consider her an all-star. She's a reoccurring character who, in most titles, is just the shop owner. That's not really important. It's just something IS does in Fire Emblem.

Now, Marth and Ike having two big games? That's important. They're the only two lords who have those bragging rights.

But, if we get an Awakening character, it will probably be Chrom, Lucina, or the Avatar (and my money is still on Chrom).
 

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I doubt that's going to make that much of a difference. Anna has those things, but I would certainly not consider her an all-star. She's a reoccurring character who, in most titles, is just the shop owner. That's not really important. It's just something IS does in Fire Emblem.

Now, Marth and Ike having two big games? That's important. They're the only two lords who have those bragging rights.

But, if we get an Awakening character, it will probably be Chrom, Lucina, or the Avatar (and my money is still on Chrom).
Aye, but I look to the future with stars in my eyes. Hope is the only virtue I will readily attribute to myself.
 
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I doubt that's going to make that much of a difference. Anna has those things, but I would certainly not consider her an all-star. She's a reoccurring character who, in most titles, is just the shop owner. That's not really important. It's just something IS does in Fire Emblem.

Now, Marth and Ike having two big games? That's important. They're the only two lords who have those bragging rights.

But, if we get an Awakening character, it will probably be Chrom, Lucina, or the Avatar (and my money is still on Chrom).
My money is for Chrom, but my heart is for Lucina.

And I don't care about the avatar.
 

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Aye, but I look to the future with stars in my eyes. Hope is the only virtue I will promptly attribute to myself.
I respect that. At least you're not the type of fan who goes around and spouts bullcrap like, "NO. MUH CHARACTER IS TEH BEST. TOETAL SHOE-IN. COME AT ME"
 

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No, you would select the music before a match. Alternatively, you could set it to be a random track.
But each character has an associated theme, like in Melee with Young Link and Saria's Song, and Marth/Roy and Fire Emblem.
Don't the characters already have their own "themes" at the Classic/Adventure/All-Star mode credits?

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I'll root for the avatar until SSB4's release. If she isn't in the game sure I'll be a bit disappointed, but I trust Sakurai. He knows what will be best
 

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Don't the characters already have their own "themes" at the Classic/Adventure/All-Star mode credits?

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I'm talking about SSB4.
What I mean is that each character has an associated song, which is different in both versions.
It's similar to other fighters, like UMvC3 and Soulcalibur V.
 

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I think the character music idea is great. For online you can even customize what songs play. Fits the Sakurai "customizable" mechanic which has yet to be detailed in any way shape or form.
 

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And that's why I like to root for likely characters.
Not only because I love them (K. Rool, Mac, Palutena, Mewtwo, Ridley), but because I am definitely counting on their inclusion.
I'm not setting myself up for disappointment.
 

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New surprise prediction roster! Reasoning below:


51 characters including transformations. Bit on the large size, I know, but, if you really want 50 characters, cut Kamek.

No Dixie because uniqueness seems to be key this time around, and Dixie doesn't have as much to work with as some other candidates.

K. Rool because uniqueness and popularity.

Kamek because Yoshi could use another character, because Kamek could be very unique if done right, and because I didn't see Ganondorf getting a reworked moveset. Otherwise, I would have added Black Shadow.

Impa was actually the partial inspiration for my doing this. Impa's possible removal from Zelda would get rid of the only true transformation character in my roster, so another transformation character would be needed in my roster. And since that character was a bit off the wall, I figured, hey, why not go all out with the oddball choices?

Takamaru is retro rep, but I could also see Lip.

Ridley is Ridley.

Palutena because of this that and the other...but mainly because of the leak.

Little Mac because of Little-Mac-Mii rumor and because popularity.

PT cut due to need to diversify the roster. Cutting Ivysaur and Squirtle saves tons of development time. Charizard is still highly popular and shouldn't be cut, though.

Mewtwo is mewtwo.

The character that makes this roster different; Tiki. Being a Manakete, Tiki offers a very interesting playstyle that introduces both a human form and a dragon form. The human form would use dragon-inspired attacks (including breaths) and magic (and possibly angelic dragon wings) at fairly close range (for the most part), while the dragon form would offer a very interesting playstyle of being a large, mid-heavy weight character that uses primarily long-ranged attacks and good mobility to play a game of keepaway with the opponent. Dragon Tiki would focus on stage control and pressure and would suffer from having a large frame and deceptively lighter weight than you would think for a dragon of her size. Tiki would be included primarily due to uniqueness, but also due to recurrence in the Fire Emblem series (which a huge plus for any Fire Emblem candidate) which rivals Marth, and due to needing another transforming character due to Impa being added in place of Zelda's Sheik transformation.

Wolf cut because of cuts being necessary when diversifying the roster. Falco is an alternative cut if you prefer him being cut, but I imagine Falco could take some of Wolf's more unique moves (side B would be especially fitting for him since he's an avian)

Mii because it's the Mii and because of the Little-Pac-Mii leak.

Daitoryo is my historical choice, as many of you know.

Pac-Man due to iconic status, Namco involvement, and Little-Pac-Mii leak. Also because I'm biased and never removing him from any of my rosters.

Snake cut due to possible limiting of 3rd parties and lack of Konami support, but I understand that he's actually rather likely. I actually removed him due to him not meeting the size constraints of my roster. If you'd like, Kamek may be cut and Snake may return and you'll get my typical prediction roster plus Tiki and Impa.


Also, random joke time for you because I'm a clown;

Two students, James and John were given a grammar test by their teacher. The question was, “is it better to use 'had' or 'had had' in this example sentence?”

The teacher collected the tests, and looked over their answers.

James, while John had had “had”, had had “had had.” “Had had” had had a better effect on the teacher.
Please give me opinions on the roster, as I do appreciate constructive criticism.
 
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Please give me opinions on the roster, as I do appreciate constructive criticism.
No Shulk= Bad roster….jk

I like Kamek, but I doubt that will happen. Similarly, Impa, Tiki, and Daitoryo probably have slim chances. Everyone else is great.

I feel like I am one of the few people who view Mewtwo as an unlikely veteran.
 
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This has probably been mentioned else where and I've played Awakening, but what differentiates Lucina from Marth in your guys opinion as a possible playable character? move set wise of course
 

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Well I can't really see Mii or Tiki getting in (mainly because I don't know much about Tiki and Chrom is the new main character). I also doubt Wolf will be cut since he is a villain and had a different feel to him than Fox/Falco. I don't see any of the spacies getting cut actually. Oh yeah don't know that "history" guy either.

Other than that nice roster.
 

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This has probably been mentioned else where and I've played Awakening, but what differentiates Lucina from Marth in your guys opinion as a possible playable character? move set wise of course
Well, FE characters tend to have made up moves since they have, like, three attack animations in their games.

It is worth noting, though, Lucina uses mocap in Awakening, so if you compare Lucina's attacking to Marth's , Lucina will look very fluid and realistic. She also does a lot of flips.
 

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Why do people think this way when there's a healthier alternative?
Are you referring to people being pessimistic? I don't actually want Kamek to be playable. I just think he is a good supporting villain in games where he has a prominent role. Otherwise I try to stay optimistic with the characters I want such as Shulk, Ridley, K Rool, Isaac, Palutena. I understand some characters are more likely than others, but I still like to advocate for them in discussions.
 

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New surprise prediction roster! Reasoning below:


51 characters including transformations. Bit on the large size, I know, but, if you really want 50 characters, cut Kamek.

No Dixie because uniqueness seems to be key this time around, and Dixie doesn't have as much to work with as some other candidates.

K. Rool because uniqueness and popularity.

Kamek because Yoshi could use another character, because Kamek could be very unique if done right, and because I didn't see Ganondorf getting a reworked moveset. Otherwise, I would have added Black Shadow.

Impa was actually the partial inspiration for my doing this. Impa's possible removal from Zelda would get rid of the only true transformation character in my roster, so another transformation character would be needed in my roster. And since that character was a bit off the wall, I figured, hey, why not go all out with the oddball choices?

Takamaru is retro rep, but I could also see Lip.

Ridley is Ridley.

Palutena because of this that and the other...but mainly because of the leak.

Little Mac because of Little-Mac-Mii rumor and because popularity.

PT cut due to need to diversify the roster. Cutting Ivysaur and Squirtle saves tons of development time. Charizard is still highly popular and shouldn't be cut, though.

Mewtwo is mewtwo.

The character that makes this roster different; Tiki. Being a Manakete, Tiki offers a very interesting playstyle that introduces both a human form and a dragon form. The human form would use dragon-inspired attacks (including breaths) and magic (and possibly angelic dragon wings) at fairly close range (for the most part), while the dragon form would offer a very interesting playstyle of being a large, mid-heavy weight character that uses primarily long-ranged attacks and good mobility to play a game of keepaway with the opponent. Dragon Tiki would focus on stage control and pressure and would suffer from having a large frame and deceptively lighter weight than you would think for a dragon of her size. Tiki would be included primarily due to uniqueness, but also due to recurrence in the Fire Emblem series (which a huge plus for any Fire Emblem candidate) which rivals Marth, and due to needing another transforming character due to Impa being added in place of Zelda's Sheik transformation.

Wolf cut because of cuts being necessary when diversifying the roster. Falco is an alternative cut if you prefer him being cut, but I imagine Falco could take some of Wolf's more unique moves (side B would be especially fitting for him since he's an avian)

Mii because it's the Mii and because of the Little-Pac-Mii leak.

Daitoryo is my historical choice, as many of you know.

Pac-Man due to iconic status, Namco involvement, and Little-Pac-Mii leak. Also because I'm biased and never removing him from any of my rosters.

Snake cut due to possible limiting of 3rd parties and lack of Konami support, but I understand that he's actually rather likely. I actually removed him due to him not meeting the size constraints of my roster. If you'd like, Kamek may be cut and Snake may return and you'll get my typical prediction roster plus Tiki and Impa.


Also, random joke time for you because I'm a clown;



Please give me opinions on the roster, as I do appreciate constructive criticism.
This is a good roster for the most part. Not too sure on Impa though, but it isn't impossible. I would say to swap Tiki for Wolf though. I mean, if any "clones" were to get axed, Wolf is one of the last I would personally pick, since he's so different from the rest of them. But that's just my opinion. Also Daitoryo is a weird choice. I know it has a connection to Nintendo, but it's technically not a Video Game, so I would suggest swapping it for some other "historical" character. But it's your roster, not mine feel free to do whatever you wish.
 

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What I'm going to say about your roster is the same thing everyone else is saying.
Tiki is unlikely because there are more relevant choices to choose from, especially considering that this is FE we're talking about.
Daitoryo is a thought that I really don't think Sakurai has come up with. Similarly to Stork, it's a Smashboards created idea. A good one, but likely? Meh.
Kamek is unnecessary since Yoshi really doesn't need any other characters.
Impa is ugh.
 

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Like:
Inclusion of
4 DKC characters
4 Kirby characters
Brawl Pokemon + mewtwo
Ridley
Palutena

Dislike
4 star fox characters
Krystal instead of slippy
Luciana (....maybe? Either way I really only accept the tactician anyways so I guess it doesn't matter)
Only 4 Zelda reps. Just add Tetra or Girahiam or something. You have room.
 

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Yoshi doesn't need another character.
Simple as that.
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


No. I disagree. But let's leave it at that, shall we?

Kamek is unnecessary since Yoshi really doesn't need any other characters.
.......that's it. The line. You crossed it.

"Another Mario character is unnecessary since Mario really doesn't need any other characters" :rosalina:

Pre brawl: another earthbound character is unnecessary because earthbound doesn't need any other characters":lucas:


Things like this could happen, and will happen. We don't know if its kamek whos going to though. Could be Goroh, or Mona. But kamek is a solid pick IMO.
 

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You cut Snake, which instantly makes this completely awful. Put Snake back instead of the pointless random slot.

I don't see anything wrong with this otherwise besides Lucina, if this had Snake then I'd give it an 8/10.
Dude why would Nintendo put Snake back in when Konami has little to no support over Nintendo in general Sonic games are coming out ONLY on Nintendo. Megaman 9 & 10 were on the Wii and Legends 3 was GOING to be a 3DS exclusive any and all MGS games are on everything BUT Nintendo (and please don't count Snake Eater 3DS which is just a port)
 

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I'm just saying brah.
Yoshi is tied very tightly to the Mario franchise, to the point that many don't even know the difference between the two.
That being said I don't know if Sakurai has even considered giving Yoshi another rep, since Yoshi represents the series so well.
As for F-Zero, you can't deny that it is certainly underrepresented currently, but Kamek is still a part of the extremely large Marioverse, and with K. Rool and Dixie Kong competing for a spot as well...
I just don't know if Yoshi is in the position to receive another character. It's now or never really, but my bet's on never.
 

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...And now Knuckles looks like he's on steroids. Lovely.
So, what's going on?
Please keep in mind that this is not the place to socialize.

I also understand that you may want to talk about Knuckles' new look, but there are also more appropriate places to do that as well.
 

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Here is the size comparison Angelglory made. It compares Other M Ridley to Samus and Super Metroid Ridley. I think this seals the deal for me.

View attachment 8044

Clearly, I'm in the boat for a redesign of the Other M model, but to me it certainly looks easier to work with than the Super Metroid model.
I wish that I could play around with the Other M Ridley model myself, but I don't own Metroid Other M, and I can't use the models that can be downloaded at the Model's Resource. But I'm pretty sure that I'd depict Other M Ridley to be bigger than my Super Metroid Ridley input.
 

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Dude why would Nintendo put Snake back in when Konami has little to no support over Nintendo in general Sonic games are coming out ONLY on Nintendo. Megaman 9 & 10 were on the Wii and Legends 3 was GOING to be a 3DS exclusive any and all MGS games are on everything BUT Nintendo (and please don't count Snake Eater 3DS which is just a port)
Oh boy, here come the Snake arguments. Do you remember this game called Brawl? Snake happened to be in it and guess what, his last game on a Nintendo console was The Twin Snakes, a remake, and his new game at the time, MGS4, was only coming to the PS3. This "argument" over why Snake shouldn't get in has been said hundreds of times and it's still a load of BS. I'm honestly getting tired of typing this repetitively so here are some snippets of why Snake isn't leaving.

Sakurai had to go through so much trouble to get him in the first place, it would be outright stupid to go through even more trouble to get rid of him. Snake got in because Sakurai and Kojima are friends, and probably still are. People don't realize either, Snake being a third party puts him in a certain predicament. He can't just be "cut" like any other character, Sakurai had to go through legal work and deal with both Nintendo and Konami to get Snake in. I can't imagine Kojima would suddenly not want Snake in, and Sakurai sure won't tell him that he's "just not putting him in this time." Being third party instantly makes Snake higher priority than most of the others, he isn't going anywhere.
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If Sakurai didn't want Snake in the game he wouldn't have added him, but he liked the idea of Snake, so he did. Sakurai made it clear that he takes his 3rd party choices seriously, he wouldn't just give into what Kojima wanted if he didn't think it was a good idea. If I'm not mistaken Nintendo didn't want Snake in the game, however Sakurai did (that's what really matters) and he fought to get him in, he worked really hard trying to get him in, so why would he not add him in this time? Also Sakurai said he didn't want to cut anyone, ergo he doesn't want to cut Snake.
 
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New surprise prediction roster! Reasoning below:


51 characters including transformations. Bit on the large size, I know, but, if you really want 50 characters, cut Kamek.

No Dixie because uniqueness seems to be key this time around, and Dixie doesn't have as much to work with as some other candidates.

K. Rool because uniqueness and popularity.

Kamek because Yoshi could use another character, because Kamek could be very unique if done right, and because I didn't see Ganondorf getting a reworked moveset. Otherwise, I would have added Black Shadow.

Impa was actually the partial inspiration for my doing this. Impa's possible removal from Zelda would get rid of the only true transformation character in my roster, so another transformation character would be needed in my roster. And since that character was a bit off the wall, I figured, hey, why not go all out with the oddball choices?

Takamaru is retro rep, but I could also see Lip.

Ridley is Ridley.

Palutena because of this that and the other...but mainly because of the leak.

Little Mac because of Little-Mac-Mii rumor and because popularity.

PT cut due to need to diversify the roster. Cutting Ivysaur and Squirtle saves tons of development time. Charizard is still highly popular and shouldn't be cut, though.

Mewtwo is mewtwo.

The character that makes this roster different; Tiki. Being a Manakete, Tiki offers a very interesting playstyle that introduces both a human form and a dragon form. The human form would use dragon-inspired attacks (including breaths) and magic (and possibly angelic dragon wings) at fairly close range (for the most part), while the dragon form would offer a very interesting playstyle of being a large, mid-heavy weight character that uses primarily long-ranged attacks and good mobility to play a game of keepaway with the opponent. Dragon Tiki would focus on stage control and pressure and would suffer from having a large frame and deceptively lighter weight than you would think for a dragon of her size. Tiki would be included primarily due to uniqueness, but also due to recurrence in the Fire Emblem series (which a huge plus for any Fire Emblem candidate) which rivals Marth, and due to needing another transforming character due to Impa being added in place of Zelda's Sheik transformation.

Wolf cut because of cuts being necessary when diversifying the roster. Falco is an alternative cut if you prefer him being cut, but I imagine Falco could take some of Wolf's more unique moves (side B would be especially fitting for him since he's an avian)

Mii because it's the Mii and because of the Little-Pac-Mii leak.

Daitoryo is my historical choice, as many of you know.

Pac-Man due to iconic status, Namco involvement, and Little-Pac-Mii leak. Also because I'm biased and never removing him from any of my rosters.

Snake cut due to possible limiting of 3rd parties and lack of Konami support, but I understand that he's actually rather likely. I actually removed him due to him not meeting the size constraints of my roster. If you'd like, Kamek may be cut and Snake may return and you'll get my typical prediction roster plus Tiki and Impa.


Also, random joke time for you because I'm a clown;



Please give me opinions on the roster, as I do appreciate constructive criticism.
It would be pretty happy with it, aside from the cutting of Wolf, Ivysaur, and Squirtle. Tiki seems pretty cool, and I love Kamek. I'll give it an 8.5/10.

Also, I really like that K. Rool icon. Can you post it or give me a link to it?
 

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-oop, no chit chat-

What we talkin' about? Anything tasty?

Ooh, wonderful, we're arguing about Snake and a new Yoshi rep.
 
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Sooooo, dat new Sonic game/show looks awful. :U I'm actually kinda glad that Lost World killed my enthusiasm for the series.
I actually really like the redesigns. I tend to view almost every Sonic protagonist as Sonic with a different animal head plus extra features. The new designs make the characters more unique, in my opinion.

But to address your point about the games/show, I've never really been a fan of the Sonic games. Maybe that's why I like the new designs. I dunno.

I do wonder if Sonic will get an alt costume based on the new look with the scarf or whatever.
 
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Dude why would Nintendo put Snake back in when Konami has little to no support over Nintendo in general Sonic games are coming out ONLY on Nintendo. Megaman 9 & 10 were on the Wii and Legends 3 was GOING to be a 3DS exclusive any and all MGS games are on everything BUT Nintendo (and please don't count Snake Eater 3DS which is just a port)
Apparently that stopped Snake from coming into Brawl too.
 

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No Shulk= Bad roster….jk

I like Kamek, but I doubt that will happen. Similarly, Impa, Tiki, and Daitoryo probably have slim chances. Everyone else is great.

I feel like I am one of the few people who view Mewtwo as an unlikely veteran.
Honestly, I would probably not have Impa or Tiki if one or the other was cut. That was the main reason for this roster, actually; finding out a good transformation character.

When it comes to Kamek, why not? Lucas happened in Brawl, didn't he?

And Daitoryo is my personal obscure historical representative. I have done tons of research to try and find the perfect historical representative (as Sakurai would have done) and I think he's a good choice. However, I know that he's not a character you'd expect to see on a prediction roster. Just too obscure for most.

Well I can't really see Mii or Tiki getting in (mainly because I don't know much about Tiki and Chrom is the new main character). I also doubt Wolf will be cut since he is a villain and had a different feel to him than Fox/Falco. I don't see any of the spacies getting cut actually. Oh yeah don't know that "history" guy either.

Other than that nice roster.
Why not Mii? It's a good representative of Nintendo's Wii and it continues to be a huge part in their marketing. Not to mention it being the face of a multi-million selling series.

Tiki is a character that has appeared in 5 Fire Emblem games (as a semi-major to just plain major character). She's as recurring as Marth and is a Manakete, which is a race in Fire Emblem that transforms from a humanoid form into a dragon form with the use of a stone called a dragonstone. She was added due to me not wanting to include another blue-haired swordsman, since that would be a poor representation of the Fire Emblem franchise as a whole. Alternative choices are Robin and Anna.

And Wolf or Falco I see as equally likely of being cut, personally. The fact of the matter is that three characters really is a bit much for a single series of the size of Star Fox, expecially since it's dormant. Combine that with Wolf and Falco being clones of Fox, and either of them look like prime candidates for being cut.

Feel free to visit my Daitoryo thread (in my signature). Daitoryo is the character on the Daitoryo hanafuda playing cards that Nintendo makes. He's existed since the company's beginnings and is still used today.

@ Pacack Pacack
What I'm going to say about your roster is the same thing everyone else is saying.
Tiki is unlikely because there are more relevant choices to choose from, especially considering that this is FE we're talking about.
Daitoryo is a thought that I really don't think Sakurai has come up with. Similarly to Stork, it's a Smashboards created idea. A good one, but likely? Meh.
Kamek is unnecessary since Yoshi really doesn't need any other characters.
Impa is ugh.
Tiki did appear in Fire Emblem: Awakening. She was actually a fairly major character, too, driving the plot a bit (not getting into spoilers). How is she not "relevant" when she appeared in the most recent title of the series? I'm genuinely confused by that counterargument.

Daitoryo is honestly a staple of my rosters at this point. If you must, consider him placeholder for a historical representative.

Earthbound got another character in Brawl. Why not Yoshi? Especially considering that Yoshi's getting two new titles in 2014. It's as relevant a series to Nintendo as any right now...more than I can say for F-Zero, Star Fox, or Earthbound.

Impa is a real possibility, but I put her there mainly because I know that another character would be needed should Sheilda be separated, and I wanted to try that out. Ideally, I keep Sheilda on most of my prediction rosters.


It would be pretty happy with it, aside from the cutting of Wolf, Ivysaur, and Squirtle. Tiki seems pretty cool, and I love Kamek. I'll give it an 8.5/10.

Also, I really like that K. Rool icon. Can you post it or give me a link to it?
Got any others you like? I'd be happy to give them to you.
 
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